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01/06/2011 02:52:25 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I'd like to clarify that my post in here has been modified when quoted. I simply provided the links (Web Suggestion 1, Web Suggestion 2, etc...). The comments following those are not mine, even though the way it was quoted makes it appear so. |
I thought that might be, but wasn't sure who added the other parts ... thanks for the clarification.
Originally posted by bohemka:
... And one of the post-challenge commenters even mocked my comment. I have to say my opinion of this photographer's personality is not very high because of this, and it's quite sad for me because he's a tremendous asset to DPC. |
Isn't it better that you know how this person really feels? You may not like an attitude or disagree with an opinion of someone, but at least this way you can base your opinion on an honest response, rather than on your impressions of a photo portfolio or forum posts ...
Message edited by author 2011-01-06 15:00:48. |
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01/06/2011 03:05:02 PM · #27 |
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01/06/2011 03:07:50 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I'd like to clarify that my post in here has been modified when quoted. I simply provided the links (Web Suggestion 1, Web Suggestion 2, etc...). The comments following those are not mine, even though the way it was quoted makes it appear so. |
Sorry,  glad2badad. That was me not using the quote function properly. I added the commentary after the suggestions. |
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01/06/2011 04:24:48 PM · #29 |
Create a check-box which is linked to the vote given.
e.g.
Vote 1 - "Thanks for nothing"
Vote 2 - "Photographer hated your vote"
etc..
Vote 9 - "You're my best friend ever"
Vote 10 - "Photographer is still in shock" |
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01/06/2011 04:55:56 PM · #30 |
 JH has got the right idea!
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01/06/2011 05:11:49 PM · #31 |
Photographer found this very funny.
Originally posted by adigitalromance:
JH has got the right idea!
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01/06/2011 05:57:20 PM · #32 |
Since I am also a newbie (6 weeks old member) I will share my experience so far. On my first entry I did not notice that there were any comments till the challenge ended! Now I know how it works (sort of) but my original expectation was that the comments will be more like a structured critique. Now I think that this is what the Critique Club is for (?). I suspect that critical comments were the original intention but when you have 500+ comments to make per week (if you vote in all challenges and comment 100%) there is simply no time to do that.
One suggestion would be to introduce a system like on eBay - main score plus subscores (sort of, a reverse of it), for example:
main comment - as is if you want to say something unstructured
main score 5 (numeric as is)
initial reaction 0 (from 3 choices - + positive, - negative, 0 neutral)
composition +
meeting challenge -
technical excellence 0
cuteness + (just kidding :)
This way we would all get more useful feedback without adding much time to voting. I would then know that my technical side needs work, or that the photo did not meet the challenge, or that my composition skills need to be developed etc.
What do you think?
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01/06/2011 06:22:40 PM · #33 |
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01/06/2011 06:32:27 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by marnet:
Since I am also a newbie (6 weeks old member) I will share my experience so far. On my first entry I did not notice that there were any comments till the challenge ended! Now I know how it works (sort of) but my original expectation was that the comments will be more like a structured critique. Now I think that this is what the Critique Club is for (?). I suspect that critical comments were the original intention but when you have 500+ comments to make per week (if you vote in all challenges and comment 100%) there is simply no time to do that.
One suggestion would be to introduce a system like on eBay - main score plus subscores (sort of, a reverse of it), for example:
main comment - as is if you want to say something unstructured
main score 5 (numeric as is)
initial reaction 0 (from 3 choices - + positive, - negative, 0 neutral)
composition +
meeting challenge -
technical excellence 0
cuteness + (just kidding :)
This way we would all get more useful feedback without adding much time to voting. I would then know that my technical side needs work, or that the photo did not meet the challenge, or that my composition skills need to be developed etc.
What do you think? |
Wow... I didn't know a six week old could hold a camera!! (I'm sorry, I just had to do it -- I couldn't resist. :)
I find it difficult enough to go through and vote on everything -- if I had to vote 3-4 times per picture, it probably wouldn't happen. This sounds selfish as I'm typing it, but realistically, I'm probably not the only one that feels this way.
On another note, Welcome Aboard!! :D
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01/06/2011 06:44:36 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Wow... I didn't know a six week old could hold a camera!! (I'm sorry, I just had to do it -- I couldn't resist. :)
I find it difficult enough to go through and vote on everything -- if I had to vote 3-4 times per picture, it probably wouldn't happen. This sounds selfish as I'm typing it, but realistically, I'm probably not the only one that feels this way.
On another note, Welcome Aboard!! :D |
:-) Thanks!
I meant multichoice feedback, just click click click. Would not add much time at all and would help with more analytical approach to scoring. The little tiny problem with non-analytical is that there is little given away on how to improve. The current system works more as a confirmation that you have improved but you have to work out for yourself how to get there in the first place.
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01/06/2011 08:42:12 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by marnet:
The little tiny problem with non-analytical is that there is little given away on how to improve. |
More people here seem to resent than appreciate being "told how to improve" by an anonymous commentor who knows nothing about the photographer's intent. Far better to say how some aspect of the picture makes you feel than to suggest ways to "fix" something which was probably a deliberate choice. |
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01/06/2011 08:45:35 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by adigitalromance:
JH has got the right idea!
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So, how would anyone in their right mind, as illustrated above, find all of these helpful!
Uh, or are we speaking of those who are not right minded? |
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01/06/2011 09:02:20 PM · #38 |
I only check it when I found it actually helpful, which to me means it was a reasonable critique, good or bad of the photo. "The dog is cute", "Nice picture" and the like are appreciated, but not what I personally would check as helpful. Something that helps me improve or validates my choices in some technical aspect is what I find helpful.
I read all the comments I receive (it doesn't usually take long).
But to each his own. |
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01/06/2011 11:30:35 PM · #39 |
Strange. I read only the bold parts and thought I was reading a different kind of tutorial... |
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01/07/2011 12:29:27 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by adigitalromance:
JH has got the right idea!
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So, how would anyone in their right mind, as illustrated above, find all of these helpful!
Uh, or are we speaking of those who are not right minded? |
... they're only right handed.
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01/07/2011 12:59:46 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by marnet:
The little tiny problem with non-analytical is that there is little given away on how to improve. The current system works more as a confirmation that you have improved but you have to work out for yourself how to get there in the first place. |
Thought there is a lot of learning to be achieved on DPC, this is not a school. You will not necessarily become a better photographer just from the comments received during the challenge, but by participating in side challenges, asking questions of other photographers, and making comments yourself. The idea of "improving' is more about finding your own voice - and the feedback of one person is as valuable as any other, but nobody can tell you what is best for YOUR vision. You may get a lot of suggestions, but they may not be what you had in mind for your image. It takes a lot of courage to stick to your guns and develop a style that speaks to you but to few others. Just ask posthumous... |
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01/07/2011 01:06:00 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Wow... I didn't know a six week old could hold a camera!! (I'm sorry, I just had to do it -- I couldn't resist. :)
On another note, Welcome Aboard!! :D |
Happens all the time.
When a Japanese Baby is Born, youtube
eta, yes, welcome to DPC.
Message edited by author 2011-01-07 01:07:27.
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01/07/2011 07:52:13 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Wow... I didn't know a six week old could hold a camera!! (I'm sorry, I just had to do it -- I couldn't resist. :)
On another note, Welcome Aboard!! :D |
Happens all the time.
When a Japanese Baby is Born, youtube
eta, yes, welcome to DPC. |
whoa!! Just like golf and baseball, I started my kids too late. Drat!
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01/07/2011 11:17:51 AM · #44 |
Back on track with the OP thread, I keep comments checked helpful to let the commenters know that I have read each comment, be it useful, just "Hi", or a full dissection and critique of every aspect of the image. By looking at the comments received/ comments helpful numbers, it alerts me that there is a new comment. If I can find time, I enjoy going to the commenters portfolio, browsing their images, and leaving a return comment on one of theirs. I never look to see who has responded to my comment with a box check.
There are a couple of hundred still floating around out there with no check, boo hoo. It's not something worth worrying about from my pov.
I do appreciate all of them, and many have actually alerted me to things that I was not even aware that I was doing, both good and bad, when shooting.
Just seeing that someone out there somewhere has taken a bit of their life to interact with one of my images is well worth my time spent to check the "thanks" box.
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01/07/2011 12:34:05 PM · #45 |
| Just wanted to say that this thread prompted me to go back and see what I did not mark as helpful. Turns out it took me quite a while to discover the little checkbox, LOL! It was also nice to see that some DPC heroes left lovely comments in my beginner days. |
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01/07/2011 11:54:22 PM · #46 |
Ya know, I've wrestled with this topic within myself but, mostly tick off the helpful box out of courtesy for those who have taken the time to comment as we're always all screaming for "reasons why our photos suck" when we get a low score. There are a few times though when I just have not been able to bring myself to tick that little box off for the life of me. Those very few comments were ones that got under my skin or felt like fingernails scratching down a blackboard and just wouldn't let me tick them off.
On the other hand, I have made comments that photogs have ticked off as helpful and later, looked back and wondered if the photographer was nuts for having ticked them off as helpful! LOL Even I wondered what the heck I was trying to say by them! LOL
I've also struggled with the idea of what really is helpful and what isn't and finally come to the conclusion that even if it wasn't helpful in terms of letting me know what was "wrong" or "right" about my photograph but, rather a comment that made me smile or chuckle or just plain friendly...that was truly helpful in its own right. I often don't have a technical/critical analysis of a photo to give but, I may love the smile on a child's face that was captured or how a photo made me laugh and I'll simply give that comment. Is it helpful in terms of actual photography...no...but, it's what I felt, thought or wanted to say so, I said it. When a photographer ticks that box off, it's saying to me...."I read your comment and I appreciate it (in some way or another)". That makes me want to offer more comments wherever I have one to give, even if it is just letting the photog know that it made me smile. :)
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