how to deal with uninvited photographers.

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01/04/2011 03:18:25 PM · #151

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

For the record, I was a bit shocked and disappointed to hear someone other than the OP harassed the other photog with nasty emails. :/ .

*disappears in a tiny puff of smoke*

Allegedly & heard from a third party.

Message edited by author 2011-01-04 15:19:19.

punk_kaos

Canon EOS-1Ds

Sigma 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 DL Aspherical IF Hyperzoom for Canon

01/04/2011 03:21:36 PM · #152

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Simms:
So, is that it now? All done?

Did the question in the topic get answered?

Discuss.

I think so. 1) Communicate, 2) Don't post the accused contact info.

And 3) Communicate a bit more.

See who says I don't learn from my mistakes? :)

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/04/2011 03:27:53 PM · #153

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

...
Anyone remember the "Bucket of Peas" incident of '06?...

So you're saying this thread will not die until it has either run its course of 16 pages, or

RayEthier deals a final, thread-killing post?

ByronD

01/04/2011 03:29:34 PM · #154

Well, I am the "other photographer" who has been the unfortunate subject of this thread. I'm working on a long version of my response, but I just wanted to do a quick post and ask everyone to please be patient while I do that. There's been a whole lot of stuff going on and it has been very distressing to me how this has gone.

Simms, coryboehne, GeneralE and BrennanOB in particular, you all seem fair and the tone of your posts has helped convince me to step in. I think things will change for everyone when some misunderstandings on both sides are cleared up and some more facts are on the table. At least one of you asked for my perspective so here I am.

Then I just hope to put this all to rest. I believe that punk_kaos has truly been dismayed by how this has "gone to the dogs" and he has sincerely apologized off this forum to me.

I'm a loyal and generous friend to many creative artists, performers and all around great people, and as you've so colorfully seen in previous posts, that loyalty comes back to me from them as well. I've asked them to please take it down a notch and let me speak. Please don't go after any of them or any of their websites or groups because of this. If you met any of them outside of this situation you wouldn't dream of doing so.

And I also want to specifically let kaos know what I thought of him, his equipment, and his working style as I saw him at the wedding. I think he might be surprised when I do.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

01/04/2011 03:31:33 PM · #155

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
...
Anyone remember the "Bucket of Peas" incident of '06?...

So you're saying this thread will not die until it has either run its course of 16 pages, or RayEthier deals a final, thread-killing post?

AND... there must be a challenge in honor of the thread.

01/04/2011 03:36:32 PM · #156

Originally posted by ByronD:

...I think things will change for everyone when some misunderstandings on both sides are cleared up and some more facts are on the table...

Lack of communication and misunderstandings are the basis of many classic sit-coms... Three's Company, anyone? Cue up the happy ending. Well, as happy as any ending can be without seeing Suzanne Somers' naked breasts.

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

01/04/2011 03:40:02 PM · #157

Originally posted by ByronD:

My respect meter just went up four notches.. Can't wait to see the long response.

David Ey

Nikon D80

01/04/2011 03:42:21 PM · #158

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by ByronD:
...I think things will change for everyone when some misunderstandings on both sides are cleared up and some more facts are on the table...

Lack of communication and misunderstandings are the basis of many classic sit-coms... Three's Company, anyone? Cue up the happy ending. Well, as happy as any ending can be without seeing Suzanne Somers' naked breasts.

Now that wasn't nice....she has no breasts.

01/04/2011 03:44:46 PM · #159

Originally posted by David Ey:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by ByronD:
...I think things will change for everyone when some misunderstandings on both sides are cleared up and some more facts are on the table...

Lack of communication and misunderstandings are the basis of many classic sit-coms... Three's Company, anyone? Cue up the happy ending. Well, as happy as any ending can be without seeing Suzanne Somers' naked breasts.

Now that wasn't nice....she has no breasts.

I figured someone might bring something like that up, but hoped enough time had passed. Honestly, I am referring back to the days of the TV show, timed to the beginning of my puberty and age of self-discovery.

01/04/2011 03:47:53 PM · #160

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

the beginning of my puberty and age of self-discovery.

Can you please promise me that you'll never talk about this in public again?

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01/04/2011 03:52:36 PM · #161

Originally posted by punk_kaos:

.... I felt at the time that to photog in question was acting out of turn, but as was pointed out to me by the MoH, he was invited to shoot candids at the bride's request. ......

Now this is another small thing that buggers me... Was he really hired for candids? If so, I'm thinking that it must have been incredibly difficult to get "candids" hauling around that umbrella and flash kit...

Personally I would have opted (and, in a very similar situation over Christmas, did opt) for a fast medium tele lens (85mm f/1.8 in my case).. I actually ended up getting the better photos too, because the silly photographer was using a 530EX and had it pointed straight at the subjects instead of bouncing or diffusing the flash, which was not only casting harsh shadows, but was also blinding the poor subjects...

Just curious, not making any judgments here, but it sounds more like he was doing posed shots, not candids..

citymars

Nikon D700

01/04/2011 03:53:19 PM · #162

Why is this door locked? Are you in there self-discovering again?

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01/04/2011 03:56:55 PM · #163

Originally posted by citymars:

Why is this door locked? Are you in there self-discovering again?

MOM ! LEAVE ME ALONE !

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

01/04/2011 03:58:29 PM · #164

It also seems to me that if the bride was inviting someone to take pictures, it might be a good idea for her to let the person she actually hired to do the job know about it a little more clearly than apparently was the case.

Simms

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/04/2011 03:58:39 PM · #165

Originally posted by coryboehne:

Now this is another small thing that buggers me... BUGS YOU!! What you said means something different - at least where I come from.

I actually ended up getting the better photos too, because the silly photographer was using a 530EX and had it pointed straight at the subjects instead of bouncing or diffusing the flash, which was not only casting harsh shadows, but was also blinding the poor subjects...

Another case of an un~~invited~~official photographer bad mouthing the hired help?

Just curious, not making any judgments here, but it sounds more like he was doing posed shots, not candids..

Message edited by author 2011-01-04 16:00:06.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

01/04/2011 04:03:58 PM · #166

Originally posted by coryboehne:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Ooh, Columbo... he may have been pissed off because he was undercut by punk_kaos. So he finally accepts the request to shoot for free with the motive of revenge.

Again, your succinctness is amazing... (see: long version of this post...)

Or it could be your long-windedness blows. :P

Message edited by author 2011-01-04 16:04:07.

01/04/2011 04:04:27 PM · #167

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by coryboehne:

Now this is another small thing that buggers me... BUGS YOU!! What you said means something different - at least where I come from.

I actually ended up getting the better photos too, because the silly photographer was using a 530EX and had it pointed straight at the subjects instead of bouncing or diffusing the flash, which was not only casting harsh shadows, but was also blinding the poor subjects...

Another case of an uninvited photographer bad mouthing the hired help?

Just curious, not making any judgments here, but it sounds more like he was doing posed shots, not candids..

Nah, we are both extended family. Neither of us was being paid, although she was the only one asked to shoot. In fact, the critical appraisal is that of the subjects not my own.. I was largely just playing with my 85 f/1.8, but the quality difference was very obvious, even to very "average" viewers... The biggest issue with my shots was the relatively high ISO I was shooting at.. (1600 mostly)

Although to be fair, do you really think it's ever a good idea to directly flash the subjects without diffusing or bouncing the light? Especially with a nice low ceiling?

And, as another critical point, I did not in any way interfere with her setup and posing, I just stood behind her and to her left and shot the same poses she was setting up..

Really, I'm quite proud of myself, as I managed to say NOTHING to her about photography, which is appropriate, but you don't even know how badly I wanted to ask her if she had considered bouncing the flash... Well, almost nothing, as she was asking my opinion about the 7D, and I told her she'd probably be better off upgrading her lenses and keeping her current body.. (She was shooting with a 28-135IS, a lens I own and know well, so well that in fact I almost never actually use it anymore...)

And, just to finish this thing off properly

Simms, you might want to re-check your usage, it seems you might be working on an older model...

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Message edited by author 2011-01-04 16:18:50.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

01/04/2011 04:10:40 PM · #168

Originally posted by GeneralE:

A good time to update the contract template and add section regarding exclusivity.

punk_kaos

Canon EOS-1Ds

Sigma 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 DL Aspherical IF Hyperzoom for Canon

01/04/2011 04:14:54 PM · #169

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by GeneralE:
It also seems to me that if the bride was inviting someone to take pictures, it might be a good idea for her to let the person she actually hired to do the job know about it a little more clearly than apparently was the case.

A good time to update the contract template and add section regarding exclusivity.

When I was first informed that he would be there, I was told that he was 'A photographer type, And would have his camera with him to shoot some photos of guests'

In my mind I had him pegged as a friend who happened to own an SLR and would be doing like most other guests do. I was not at all expecting another pro photographer to be there doing more than just 'snapping a few shots of guests'.

Something to add to my photographer dictionary I guess, the sometimes "Photographer type" actually really means just that.

Stagolee

Kodak Easyshare C180

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

01/04/2011 04:15:00 PM · #170

Message from the Mother of Bryon...... Now, you listen here! He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy! Now, go away!

01/04/2011 04:20:00 PM · #171

Originally posted by keegbow:

Message from the Mother of Bryon...... Now, you listen here! He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy! Now, go away!

I think you may have just qualified for the lunatic fringe... :)

01/04/2011 04:20:22 PM · #172

Originally posted by keegbow:

Message from the Mother of Bryon...... Now, you listen here! He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy! Now, go away!

Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.

smardaz

01/04/2011 04:24:12 PM · #173

why do i feel like we have all been the butt of a big practical joke by a group of performing pirates?

But the way, what the hell are performing pirates?

Simms

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/04/2011 04:24:47 PM · #174

Originally posted by coryboehne:

anal intercourse by a man with a man or woman,[1] or sexual intercourse by either a man or a woman with an animal.

Just when I felt that the lowest point of this thread was Slippy talking about his adolescent voyage of discovery, it now surely cant get any worse (with some help from my completely out of context snipping)