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03/17/2004 11:47:32 AM · #51 |
Votes: 59
Avg Vote: 5.1186
Comments: 3
I have to say I'm really pleased with my shot even if it's not doing so well. IMO it meets the challenge and technically is good(never said brilliant); normally I don't like my shots much after voting starts and I begin to see where I went wrong. Good luck to all. :)
Message edited by author 2004-03-17 11:48:22.
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03/17/2004 11:49:23 AM · #52 |
I like mine a lot too though there's one major flaw that's quite glaring to me (not to mention lots of others that I'm sure comments will point out to me over coming days).
But I like it a lot...
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03/17/2004 12:07:40 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by orussell:
Votes: 49
Avg Vote: 5.0204
Comments: 3
Well I can't blame it on the camera anymore. Next logical step, blame it on the kit lens. :) |
Now THAT made me laugh out loud! Thanks for the grin!
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03/17/2004 12:51:44 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by boomer:
Originally posted by orussell:
Votes: 49
Avg Vote: 5.0204
Comments: 3
Well I can't blame it on the camera anymore. Next logical step, blame it on the kit lens. :) |
Now THAT made me laugh out loud! Thanks for the grin! |
Well I accomplished something today. :)
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03/17/2004 01:07:05 PM · #55 |
I don't feel so bad with my 4.6 after reading everyone elses score. Chalk it up as a learning experience...
[sarcasm] Must be all those stupid voters out there that don't know great art voting fast and early. [/sarcasm] |
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03/17/2004 01:11:07 PM · #56 |
| After 75 votes, I've climbed up to 6.52 with 5 comments, maybe this will be my first entry over 6. I'm excited about this one. |
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03/17/2004 01:12:42 PM · #57 |
So I should take a 4.4 so far for my first challenge as not so bad huh? ;) Not 1 comment on 77 votes is the part that surprises me. Figured there would be at least 1 by now. Boringly average maybe..lol
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03/17/2004 01:22:45 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by LtHousLady:
So I should take a 4.4 so far for my first challenge as not so bad huh? ;) Not 1 comment on 77 votes is the part that surprises me. Figured there would be at least 1 by now. Boringly average maybe..lol |
I wouldn't feel bad, it takes awhile to figure out what the voters like and don't like.
I have only one comment that does a good job explaining my score. Basically, I'm guessing a lot of the voters are looking for in your face parallel lines. Subtle parallel lines as part of a photo (my photo) probably won't do as well. |
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03/17/2004 01:24:59 PM · #59 |
I'm new here, so I would like a pointer as to the best way to vote.
I've started voting on the parallel challenge, but with the 300+ entries, it's going to be difficult to go through them all and open up every thumb nail, judge the picture for it's merits and then vote.
Would it be better to look at the thumbnails as a whole and pick out ones I like and then open and judge them?
But even then, only the pictures I consider "good" are going to get better marks and the "bad" pictures won't get any marks from me.
How do you lot vote? |
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03/17/2004 01:34:17 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
Here, the art is NEVER seen, just the exact interpretation in a narrow minded voter. |
I understand how you feel, and I believe that it is generally true that the more, umm, ‘non-standard’ a photo is the lower it will score here. I’ve seen lots of comments to that effect. However, keep in mind that art is a very subject thing. A photo that is quite beautiful and moving to one person may seem dull, ugly, or even offensive to another.
There are some here that appreciate artistic photographs. Personally, I judge the photos based on their artistic qualities first, and photographic qualities come second. There may be others here that judge in a similar manner. There are also some, at least in my opinion, that wouldn̢۪t know art if it reached up and bit them on the ass. Others may only care about the photographic aspects of an image, because to them that̢۪s what it̢۪s all about. I can̢۪t understand that point of view. For me, an image can be technically perfect, but if it says nothing in an artistic sense then it̢۪s just another picture to me. On the other hand, not all photographs are meant to be art. For instance, product photos for catalogs and other publications don̢۪t necessarily need to be artistic. For these images the photographic qualities are more important.
Originally posted by TerryGee:
It's all crazy, sometimes I really hate this place. |
Yah, me too. But it̢۪s kinda growing on me. ;^) Good luck!
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03/17/2004 01:34:51 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by louddog:
Basically, I'm guessing a lot of the voters are looking for in your face parallel lines. Subtle parallel lines as part of a photo (my photo) probably won't do as well. |
The parallels were pretty straight forward. I'm used to shooting outdoors though. (I'll find a decent shot on any lighthouse ;) Never worked much with lighting & such, so I guess I'm just looking forward to feedback in that area. The challenges forcing you to take the time to make up a shot & deal with all the other aspects is what appealed to me here.
Message edited by author 2004-03-17 13:37:13.
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03/17/2004 01:55:09 PM · #62 |
I am new here as well and I voted on all 331. And to be quite frank there are a lot average shots in my opinion.
Many shots look as if the person just walked around the house or downtown or to the nearest train tracks saw something parallel and took a snap shot.
Very few IMO had the criteria to A: Win a photo contest and B:Be called a quality photograph.
I think the subject matter had a large influence on this though. Parallel lines are everywere. And it is a perspective and perspectives are subjective and difficult to capture.
I spent some time going through the other challenges and noticed that I felt the total quality in other challenges entries were superior to the entries in the latest.
I voted what I felt and gave my opinion on what I saw. If the scores are lower then normal then blame me and the others who took the time to vote on and evaluate.
But if the scores are higher than normal are we to assume that everyone who voted suddenly took a magic elixir of superior intelligence,and left their narrow mindedness and bitterness at home?
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03/17/2004 02:25:48 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
I'm new here, so I would like a pointer as to the best way to vote.
I've started voting on the parallel challenge, but with the 300+ entries, it's going to be difficult to go through them all and open up every thumb nail, judge the picture for it's merits and then vote.
Would it be better to look at the thumbnails as a whole and pick out ones I like and then open and judge them?
But even then, only the pictures I consider "good" are going to get better marks and the "bad" pictures won't get any marks from me.
How do you lot vote? |
I slightly adjust my voting method for each challenge. I am on broadband, so i go thru all 200 or 300 pics at one sitting (take 1-2 hours) and give them an initial number based upon my initial impression (without title). I then go to the thumbnail page a day or two later and tweak things based upon how my thoughts/mood/wakefullness has changed.
This time (parallel lines) if it was parallel, and decent it got a 5. A bad pic was given a 4, a better one a 6. Very few (3 maybe) I gave less than a 4 to (normally more get a low score from me but since 98% met the challenge hands down it was hard to be hard).
I try to give more weight to originality, or a very good pic of a common subject (guitar strings in this challenge for example). I also try to give extra weight to beautiful pics over ugly ones (as in 'would i hang this on my wall?/Want this on a calendar?/See this in a book?')
I take the best one or 2 pics and give htem 10s, the next best 9s, and 8s, etc. I usually stop at the 7s.
How well does this work for me? Well, in Off Screen Expectations,not well. Of the top 10 finishers, I commented 2 as not having an off screen expectation, and gave 1-8, 1-7, 1-5, 3-4, 2-3.
So I guess I am not qualified to vote? can I not see art when it bites me in teh arse? All I know is, I know it when I see it, even if no one else does.
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03/17/2004 02:33:58 PM · #64 |
I used to love voting and commenting,now I hate it,it is not easy any more!No artistic interpretations,rules are to strict and photos are so similar seems like bunch of snapshooter got together and took photos of the fence around the house!
Ca-mon people ,we need wider subject themes and more flexibility here,used to be the winning photos got 20-30 and more favorite marks now people hardly get one or two, the CATCH photo got red ribbon and no favorites!
The off screen winner photo is even hard to watch longer than few seconds because is cropped too tight into the monkey face it hurts,nice sharp focus and color there but technical failure!
Message edited by author 2004-03-17 14:45:07.
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03/17/2004 03:11:20 PM · #65 |
Votes: 84
Avg Vote: 5.4643
Comments: 1
Updated: 03/17/04 03:10 pm
CURSES to the addicting update button. It's a love-hate relationship.
Message edited by author 2004-03-17 15:12:35.
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03/17/2004 03:16:19 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by TerryGee:
Here, the art is NEVER seen, just the exact interpretation in a narrow minded voter. |
I understand how you feel, and I believe that it is generally true that the more, umm, ‘non-standard’ a photo is the lower it will score here. I’ve seen lots of comments to that effect. However, keep in mind that art is a very subject thing. A photo that is quite beautiful and moving to one person may seem dull, ugly, or even offensive to another.
There are some here that appreciate artistic photographs. Personally, I judge the photos based on their artistic qualities first, and photographic qualities come second. There may be others here that judge in a similar manner. There are also some, at least in my opinion, that wouldn̢۪t know art if it reached up and bit them on the ass. Others may only care about the photographic aspects of an image, because to them that̢۪s what it̢۪s all about. I can̢۪t understand that point of view. For me, an image can be technically perfect, but if it says nothing in an artistic sense then it̢۪s just another picture to me. On the other hand, not all photographs are meant to be art. For instance, product photos for catalogs and other publications don̢۪t necessarily need to be artistic. For these images the photographic qualities are more important.
Originally posted by TerryGee:
It's all crazy, sometimes I really hate this place. |
Yah, me too. But it̢۪s kinda growing on me. ;^) Good luck! |
Dang people! most of them don't know what looks good and what doesn't look good. We should give lessons before letting people use their eyes.
Message edited by author 2004-03-17 15:18:02. |
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03/17/2004 03:47:36 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
I understand how you feel, and I believe that it is generally true that the more, umm, ‘non-standard’ a photo is the lower it will score here. I’ve seen lots of comments to that effect. However, keep in mind that art is a very subject thing. A photo that is quite beautiful and moving to one person may seem dull, ugly, or even offensive to another.
There are some here that appreciate artistic photographs. Personally, I judge the photos based on their artistic qualities first, and photographic qualities come second. There may be others here that judge in a similar manner. There are also some, at least in my opinion, that wouldn̢۪t know art if it reached up and bit them on the ass. Others may only care about the photographic aspects of an image, because to them that̢۪s what it̢۪s all about. I can̢۪t understand that point of view. For me, an image can be technically perfect, but if it says nothing in an artistic sense then it̢۪s just another picture to me. On the other hand, not all photographs are meant to be art. For instance, product photos for catalogs and other publications don̢۪t necessarily need to be artistic. For these images the photographic qualities are more important.
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Funny thing is you mention artistic and technical which are both good reasons to vote for a pic, but you don't mention about the voters who miss both of those. They vote simply on the challenge. Nothing more.
I believe that
1. the photo should be artistic in some way(yes this is subjective)
2. the photo should be technically well done
3. the photo should meet the challenge in some way
my score reflects all of the above, not just 1 or 2 of them. |
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03/17/2004 04:04:32 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by louddog:
Dang people! most of them don't know what looks good and what doesn't look good. We should give lessons before letting people use their eyes. |
I'm not sure what it is you are trying to say. Was somebody advocating not letting people use their eyes?
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03/17/2004 04:08:55 PM · #69 |
Still falling and the irony is that all 3 of my comments tell me those voters have given me a score of 10.
Sigh...
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03/17/2004 04:23:09 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
Funny thing is you mention artistic and technical which are both good reasons to vote for a pic, but you don't mention about the voters who miss both of those. They vote simply on the challenge. Nothing more. |
Yes, there are some who get hung up on the challenge criteria. Even worse, some of them misinterpret the criteria and then vote or comment on images based on their incorrect interpretation.
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03/17/2004 05:19:17 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by louddog:
Dang people! most of them don't know what looks good and what doesn't look good. We should give lessons before letting people use their eyes. |
I'm not sure what it is you are trying to say. Was somebody advocating not letting people use their eyes? |
You're right. I worded that poorly. We should probably let them use their eyes. We should just not let them vote until they pass a test that proves they are capable of determining the difference between a good photo and a bad photo.
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03/17/2004 06:12:51 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by louddog:
You're right. I worded that poorly. We should probably let them use their eyes. We should just not let them vote until they pass a test that proves they are capable of determining the difference between a good photo and a bad photo. |
Ah yes, thinly veiled sarcasm. Correct me if I̢۪m wrong, but you seem to be saying that we should just let the people decide what they like and do not like. If so, why did you direct your comment to me? I never said anything to the contrary, did I? I only said that people judge photos based on different criteria, and that some seem to put more emphasis on certain aspects of the available criteria and ignore other, perhaps more meaningful, aspects. Of course that is just my opinion, but I am welcome to it, right?
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03/17/2004 06:28:24 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by louddog:
You're right. I worded that poorly. We should probably let them use their eyes. We should just not let them vote until they pass a test that proves they are capable of determining the difference between a good photo and a bad photo. |
Ah yes, thinly veiled sarcasm. Correct me if I̢۪m wrong, but you seem to be saying that we should just let the people decide what they like and do not like. If so, why did you direct your comment to me? I never said anything to the contrary, did I? I only said that people judge photos based on different criteria, and that some seem to put more emphasis on certain aspects of the available criteria and ignore other, perhaps more meaningful, aspects. Of course that is just my opinion, but I am welcome to it, right? |
I never directed anything at you. I never agreed or disagreed with you. I simply replied to your reply.
Try relaxing a little more often. You seem stressed out and paranoid. |
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03/17/2004 06:48:09 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by louddog:
I never directed anything at you. I never agreed or disagreed with you. I simply replied to your reply. |
Oh sorry, I assumed that since you quoted me that you were directing your comment to me.
Originally posted by louddog:
Try relaxing a little more often. You seem stressed out and paranoid. |
Nope, just relaxing and working at home today. Write a little code, and then do a little photo editing while the compiler runs, and then write some more code. I only get paranoid when I have to go into the city and work at the office. ;^)
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03/17/2004 06:49:52 PM · #75 |
I've voted on 260 thus far and will go back to comment on a selection when I've finished voting. I reckon my average is 5 thus far, only 2 that I don't consider meet the challenge with a couple of clever shots and lots of guitars, rail tracks and buildings. I'm probably voting higher on this than normal, some very good pictures.
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