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12/12/2010 02:24:17 PM · #851 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
From the Repent America site:
RA'S OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON HURRICANE KATRINA 00/00/05
We are deeply grieved by the profound loss of life and suffering as a result of Hurricane Katrina. This storm was another reminder of how temporal our lives are here on this earth. While many are quick to dismiss God from Katrina’s destruction, we are not.
Although God is patient and longsuffering, He is also just. The Holy Bible teaches that this type of destruction is not inconsistent with God’s character. In fact, the Scripture is replete with examples of calamity that God used to bring His people to repentance, such as the Great Flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin, especially during events such as the annual “Mardi Gras” and homosexual “Southern Decadence” celebrations. These events attracted hundreds of thousands of sex-crazed, drunken revelers to the streets every year with a welcome from city officials and the permission of the local church.
The city of New Orleans, from its abortion industry to its voodoo practices, epitomized the pomp, proud, and hedonistic godlessness that has become the character of our nation. Biloxi and Gulfport, on the Mississippi coast, modeled their cities after much of New Orleans. The gambling casinos, associated with organized crime, prostitution, and exploitation, brought in hundreds of thousands of dollars each day for the state. For these reasons, we do not believe that Hurricane Katrina was a coincidence, whether it is seen as God’s divine judgment or by His allowance, we assert that God is still in control.
In the aftermath of this disaster, we must do as Jesus Christ commanded and “love thy neighbour,” and “weep with them that weep” as the Scripture teaches; however, we must not allow our warranted emotional response to such a disaster cause us to disregard God’s involvement, but drive us to the cross of Christ in repentance for our sins.
In this time of great devastation, we submit that all events are under the control of Providence, that no storm falls un-permitted from the threatening cloud, and that every drop has its order. May the results of Katrina’s devastation cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God. We are not promised tomorrow; today is the day of salvation.
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I've come to the conclusion that these people do not deserve our time and energy. If they believe such nonsense then I have very little faith that they'll understand anyone else's point of view because they just won't get it, they're not wired to get it. They want to believe, it makes them feel good inside and that is something that is very hard to let go of. Some people think their loved ones are looking down at them from heaven. Telling them their heaven doesn't exist is like saying their parents do not exist either, in heaven. Very disappointing to hear if you are a believer.
I sometimes hope that religionists would get it together and admit that some science points to evolution and that maybe religion as we know it should be changing too along with humanity. That won't be happening soon because Catholicism stipulates that one person and one person only can communicate God's wishes and this person thinks condoms spread HIV. I know the Vatican has re-stated that they do not, btw. I wonder what it took to convince God though. Can anyone tell me who convinced him to change his mind? Was it the Pope himself? Doesn't omnipotent also include knowing all and not just being almighty?
Enough babbling.
Doc, what the hell are you? A Christian? A Catholic? A on the fencer? A closet atheist? A shit disturber? A post hog? What are you man because you like to jump all over things and that is giving me a headache. Personally I think you're a non believer but are afraid of the consequences of coming out and proclaiming yourself as one. Family retribution, loss of friends, loss of patients, loss of who you are to others. These are all legitimate fears many have. I'm still considered the black sheep of the family but it doesn't affect me anymore after 39 years of anti-theistic behaviour. I know they're all going to hell for it too. ;) |
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12/12/2010 03:45:28 PM · #852 |
I'm just trying to talk people down from their rhetoric. I don't think I'm really kicking up the shit when I just say, "hey, wait, don't go calling people crazy just because you don't agree with them". I only have 3 posts in the last 25 on this thread. I think it's probably old news, but I defend when people attack Christians. Really, if people are sick of me posting, don't attack the faith. ;) I'd have nothing to do then...
And for the record I'm a devout Christian if one needs to label me. |
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12/12/2010 04:37:44 PM · #853 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Hey, whatever.....I just object to his characterization of Katrina as divine punishmenmt as he would seem to not to take notice of the innocents lost.
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I know this concept has been mentioned a few times, but I also know its difficult for non-Christians to understand so I'll say it again. In God's eyes, according to what the Bible says, no one is innocent. Obviously this guy (if he truly is a Christian) will understand this concept and it is no problem for him "not to take notice of the innocents lost" because there is no such thing as "innocents". I know that all you non-Christian folks don't like the concept of "total depravity" but try to least keep it in mind for the sake of the argument. It is difficult to put yourself in someone else shoes...
P.S. For the record, I don't agree with this guy's view that Katrina was divine punishment.
Message edited by author 2010-12-12 16:41:12. |
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12/12/2010 04:53:52 PM · #854 |
Before it gets lost, let me take it down a notch. My main point in my post to Jeb was to say there is lots of room to maneuver between, "I totally agree with this guy" and "he belongs in an insane asylum". The more we operate between the extremes, the better off we all are.
That's all I meant. Sorry if I inflamed. End transmission. :) |
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12/12/2010 04:58:51 PM · #855 |
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
P.S. For the record, I don't agree with this guy's view that Katrina was divine punishment. |
I'm curious -- how would you determine that something was divine punishment? |
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12/12/2010 05:04:43 PM · #856 |
| In the end, you will know. |
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12/12/2010 05:05:22 PM · #857 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
P.S. For the record, I don't agree with this guy's view that Katrina was divine punishment. |
I'm curious -- how would you determine that something was divine punishment? |
...well duh, they would have some guys playing trumpets and a few other people walking down the aisles with collection plates. :O)
Ray |
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12/12/2010 06:20:31 PM · #858 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
In the end, you will know. |
Or you may not... |
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12/12/2010 07:18:09 PM · #859 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
P.S. For the record, I don't agree with this guy's view that Katrina was divine punishment. |
I'm curious -- how would you determine that something was divine punishment? |
I believe that the last divine punishment was the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The next divine punishment will be at the second coming of Jesus Christ. Everything in between is just the groaning of a world corrupted by sin. |
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12/12/2010 07:41:21 PM · #860 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by David Ey:
In the end, you will know. |
Or you may not... |
Yeah, you might be thinking about that damn fire. :) |
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12/12/2010 08:50:52 PM · #861 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by David Ey:
In the end, you will know. |
Or you may not... |
Yeah, you might be thinking about that damn fire. :) |
My, My, MY, the things one learns.
I didn't know that  Yanko was of Nordic extraction and believed in the Norse funeral pyre traditions. Good on you Yanko :O)
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12/13/2010 09:19:02 PM · #862 |
If it's any consolation, I do think you faithiests are insane. To the last.
I guess that's my cross to bear.
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12/13/2010 09:19:27 PM · #863 |
| At least some of you are high-functioning. ;) |
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12/14/2010 06:39:49 PM · #864 |
Originally posted by Mousie:
If it's any consolation, I do think you faithiests are insane. To the last.
I guess that's my cross to bear. |
I'll give you credit for being transparent. But that's about all I'll give you credit for. There really is nothing good to say after a comment like that, which might be why nobody has said anything yet... |
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12/14/2010 06:53:07 PM · #865 |
Originally posted by Mousie:
If it's any consolation, I do think you faithiests are insane. To the last.
I guess that's my cross to bear. |
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
I'll give you credit for being transparent. But that's about all I'll give you credit for. There really is nothing good to say after a comment like that, which might be why nobody has said anything yet... |
Well, you have to take the good with the bad. Some of what's said isn't necessarily meant to be cutting, so if it does.......well, maybe it's food for thought.
You have to understand that you of the faithful often put forth that atheists have no system of morality because they have no God. How is that any less of an insult?
Personally, I thought with the "cross to bear" comment that it was meant tongue-in-cheek......somewhat, anyway.
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12/14/2010 07:11:31 PM · #866 |
| I'm not even sure what a "faithiest" is. Was he referring to atheists who are religious about their lack of faith? That's the way I read it, but I may be completely wrong. |
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12/14/2010 09:10:01 PM · #867 |
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
Originally posted by Mousie:
If it's any consolation, I do think you faithiests are insane. To the last.
I guess that's my cross to bear. |
I'll give you credit for being transparent. But that's about all I'll give you credit for. There really is nothing good to say after a comment like that, which might be why nobody has said anything yet... |
Actually Johnny, nodding assent tends to be rather silent. :O)
Ray |
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12/14/2010 09:12:40 PM · #868 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm not even sure what a "faithiest" is. Was he referring to atheists who are religious about their lack of faith? That's the way I read it, but I may be completely wrong. |
Not that I am much into "wordsmithing" Doc, but I thought it meant the most faithful of the faithful.
Ray |
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12/14/2010 09:21:06 PM · #869 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm not even sure what a "faithiest" is. Was he referring to atheists who are religious about their lack of faith? That's the way I read it, but I may be completely wrong. |
Urban Dictionary has a number of definitions of "faitheist"; check 'em out for yourself....
R.
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12/14/2010 09:25:05 PM · #870 |
I've got a curious question, but it's not for Christians, its for atheists. I figure we have most of the adamant atheists rounded up here anyway ;)
Do you have kids? And, if so, what does your Christmas celebration consist of? Santa?
I don't have kids, but I've thought about this before, and was curious.
Growing up, my friends and I would refer to Christmas as "atheist children get presents day" as a joke. I see nothing wrong with having a holiday celebrating giving and family and being thankful. After all, Christmas was co-opted in the first place by Christians.
Thoughts? |
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12/14/2010 11:19:49 PM · #871 |
Christmas isn't really about Christ anyway, so why not celebrate Santa?
//www.essortment.com/all/christmaspagan_rece.htm
The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.
Eat, drink, and be merry!
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12/14/2010 11:33:10 PM · #872 |
Kelli's post gets the friendly eye roll for the day.
Ray, I think you are actually right about Mousie's word. "Most faithful". That makes sense. But I like my definition better and I think I've just coined a new word for y'all...
Message edited by author 2010-12-14 23:33:27. |
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12/15/2010 12:48:42 AM · #873 |
| Well, I asked my question because Shannon, for example, has likened the Christian God to Santa Claus. |
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12/15/2010 04:14:53 AM · #874 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
I've got a curious question, but it's not for Christians, its for atheists. I figure we have most of the adamant atheists rounded up here anyway ;)
Do you have kids? And, if so, what does your Christmas celebration consist of? Santa? |
Yes and of course we celebrate Christmas. Our celebrations are centred around tradition and family and the pleasure of giving gifts, rather than any particular god figure.
Maybe a more appropriate question would be whether you include Santa, Christmas trees, Yule logs, mistletoe and other pagan elements in your Christmas celebrations, and how do you reconcile that with monotheism and a strict obligation not to use idols in the worship of god? Are they worth the risk of eternal damnation?
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12/15/2010 05:35:56 AM · #875 |
You've wrongly assumed I'm a Christian. I am, in fact, an atheist, as stated here and elsewhere :)
I specifically asked about Santa for a reason. As I've noted, Shannon (and I'm not singling him out here, I've heard plenty of other people do the same) has compared the Christian God to Santa Claus. I'm making an assumption here that he doesn't teach his children to be Christians, but what about Santa? |
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