Fly With Dignity - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

11/22/2010 10:29:44 PM · #77

Here is something for those who like statistics...Food for thought

Mind you, I personally would not want to be part of those statistics, but it does make one think.

Ray

fldave

Pentax K5II

Pentax DA 18-135mm F3.5-5.6ED AL [IF] WR DC

11/22/2010 10:33:55 PM · #78

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I think the point is, people have been pushed too far, and they are lashing back. I think we're beginning to resemble a fascist state a little too strongly for my tastes, and for a lot of peoples' tastes. I don't believe that all things are justified in the name of 'security". I think I need protecting from my own government more than i do from terrorists, frankly. R.

Here is a little reminder of being pushed too far for all of you with short memories...

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

11/22/2010 10:36:30 PM · #79

Originally posted by Melethia:

So if you owned an airline, what would be your solution? Obviously you want to keep your airplanes intact and your passengers happy... what would you propose?

I vote for a "boom room". Everyone has to go through the metal detector (guns + thin metal tubes at high altitudes = not good), then they have to go through the boom room. In the boom room, any explosives on your person will be detonated. Families traveling together can go through together. Whole groups traveling together can go through together. If you trust the ten people in front of you - go with them. If not, wait and go on your own.

Couple of drawbacks - it would not be a fun job to clean the boom room after a detonation; and I'm not sure of the technology. But sounds effective, yes?

I do remember the days when there were no detectors of any kind, no checking of IDs, no nothing. Everyone could wander freely in an airport. You didn't need a ticket to be there. You could meet your incoming passengers at their gates. All very cool. Until a couple of planes took unscheduled trips to Cuba. Back to that gun + thin metal tubes at high altitude = not good thing.

Anyway, you're the CEO of Southwest - what's your solution?

Pity the poor old bastard that has nitro pills for a heart condition.

Yep, I can see it now. The wives saying:" Go ahead dear, take a nice relaxing trip, you deserve it"... "Honey... don't forget your heart pills"

Hehehehehe,

Ray

Strikeslip

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

11/23/2010 08:41:28 AM · #80

Originally posted by LoudDog:

Couldn't an electronic sniffer or a dog pick up anything they can find with their see through machines and feel ups (other then maybe a plastic knife), and probably more? Maybe the dog trainers or sniffer makers need to offer Janet a cushy job when she leaves office?

This is what they have at the base of the CN Tower if you're going to go up an elevator. You walk through it and it sniffs you. :-D

cgino

Nikon D810

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 14-24mm f/2.8 G ED

11/23/2010 08:46:58 AM · #81

Originally posted by Melethia:

Anyway, you're the CEO of Southwest - what's your solution?

Boom room.

LoudDog

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

11/23/2010 10:18:49 AM · #82

I don't think the airlines have a lot of say. Security is up to the airport. Anyway, if I'm in charge, lots of dogs trained to sniff for lots of things, plus metal detectors. Very effective and no groin checks.

amsterdamman

11/23/2010 10:36:31 AM · #83

In an effort aimed at increasing female employment, and reducing male passenger complaints, I would have all the TSA junk checkers be female and chosen with customer satisfaction in mind. That way the women passengers are screened by women, and the men, well, we get to be screened by the women TSA staff too :)
But if I wanted to be safer, I'd probably use dogs too.

amsterdamman

11/23/2010 10:38:55 AM · #84

Unless they had some other cool animal to choose from, like a bomb sniffing monkey! But not a bomb sniffing moose...

Mick

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

11/23/2010 11:02:23 AM · #85

Originally posted by amsterdamman:

Unless they had some other cool animal to choose from, like a bomb sniffing monkey! But not a bomb sniffing moose...

Why not a moose? They have big noses, and most of them are probably better trained than TSA personal.

Message edited by author 2010-11-23 11:03:19.

shamrock

Nikon D300

11/23/2010 01:48:49 PM · #86

Originally posted by LoudDog:

Heh. You haven't met my dogs. They do groin checks. :P

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/23/2010 01:59:04 PM · #87

LOL! Yes a dog will probably "touch your junk" but he is just saying hello. And they do have bomb rats now. Very effective too!

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

11/23/2010 02:22:02 PM · #88

TSA bumper stickers:

Can't see London,
Can't see France,
Unless we see your underpants!

Grope discounts available

If we did our job any better, we'd have to buy you dinner first.

Don't worry, my hands are still warm from the last guy

We are now free to move around your pants

It's not a grope, it's a freedom pat

We handle more packages than UPS

Message edited by author 2010-11-23 14:22:24.

Mick

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/24/2010 04:01:43 PM · #89

Is anyone here planning on attending any of the protests being held at various airports today?

There's one at Portland International, but we're not going because snow and ice have made the roads unsafe.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

11/24/2010 04:04:14 PM · #90

Here's the SNL skit I was talking about. Funny stuff!

Message from the TSA

photodude

11/24/2010 04:44:29 PM · #91

We can end the need to do things like this to be safe by making America (and Western Europe can do the same) inaccessable to those who would do us harm. Unfortunately we choose not to.

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

11/24/2010 06:21:40 PM · #92

Originally posted by photodude:

We can end the need to do things like this to be safe by making America (and Western Europe can do the same) inaccessable to those who would do us harm. Unfortunately we choose not to.

...and exactly who would those folks be? Can you readily differentiate between friend and foe? Do these people look different, dress different, pray to a different God... Seriously, just who are these people you are talking about?

My guess is that you are making blanket assumptions about a group of people that you know nothing about.

Ray

photodude

11/24/2010 06:31:42 PM · #93

Exactly Ray

You cant identify good and bad so lets stop allowing citizens of hostile nations from coming to America

Lets start with Saudi Arabia. 15 Saudis were on the 9/11 planes. How about this, no more tourist or student visas for Saudi's to come to the USA. All of them are here can get out.

Mike