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10/24/2010 05:01:48 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Here are the numbers for Edmonton today:
11:30 24.2 167.0
12:00 24.9 175.0
12:30 24.9 183.1
13:00 24.4 191.2
13:30 23.2 199.1 |
Here are the numbers where I live. And it's foggy :) So guess I'll be skipping this.
11:30 16.4 170.0
11:40 16.5 172.6
11:50 16.7 175.1
12:00 16.7 177.7
12:10 16.8 180.2
12:20 16.7 182.8
12:30 16.6 185.3
Message edited by author 2010-10-24 05:02:44. |
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10/26/2010 06:43:15 AM · #27 |
| My picture sucks in this light and if I edit the suckiness away then it doesn't look mid day any more.. its like a 4.something either way. |
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10/26/2010 09:10:47 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
My picture sucks in this light and if I edit the suckiness away then it doesn't look mid day any more.. its like a 4.something either way. |
Yup. It's been a challenging challenge. It's very difficult to get a non-sucky picture in such midday light. I'm going to assume that everyone did shoot with high sun, and if the image does not look like midday sun, then it means the photographer was successful in finding a technique that worked in this light.
A few things that seem to work in some circumstances:
-Avoid the broad scenes with harsh shadows and bright highlights.
-Find a scene that benefits from such light, or does not get ruined by it. I found a lot of this in New Mexico, in place like white sands.
-Shoot closeups
-Use dappled sun within shaded areas for some interesting filtered light
-Shoot into the sun and position it behind the subject to add drama. (requires a lens that does not flare badly)
-Convert the sucky washed-out colors to a B/W image.
Message edited by author 2010-10-26 09:13:45.
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10/26/2010 09:29:19 AM · #29 |
No mid-day sun, here. Very overcast and rainy. No on to jump for me. I might be shut out today. That's the problem with Tuesday challenges -- I don't work on them until I finish the Sunday challenge. The problem with that is that I wait until last minute to do the sunday challenges. :)
Message edited by author 2010-10-26 09:30:03.
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10/26/2010 09:32:19 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Here are the numbers for Edmonton today:
11:30 24.2 167.0
12:00 24.9 175.0
12:30 24.9 183.1
13:00 24.4 191.2
13:30 23.2 199.1 |
Here are the numbers where I live. And it's foggy :) So guess I'll be skipping this.
11:30 16.4 170.0
11:40 16.5 172.6
11:50 16.7 175.1
12:00 16.7 177.7
12:10 16.8 180.2
12:20 16.7 182.8
12:30 16.6 185.3 |
Yes, I understand. Impressively low sun at Midday at your location. I think it's incumbent on voters to be sophisticated and knowledgeable enough to BE AWARE the sun is NOT always overhead at Midday in the northern latitudes this time of year. This is a challenge which voters should give the benefit of the doubt. As long as there's evidence of a daylight, sunlit scene, then vote on the technical and artistic merits. I sense these words are falling on deaf ears. I might pull my image from the challenge, as not even a reshoot would fix the sun altitude reality. You know, if a member is near the Arctic Circle, the midday sun would be not far above the horizon during the short day. I think that's a fantastic photo opportunity for long shadows and sidelight AND perfectly meets the challenge. |
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10/26/2010 09:41:02 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
You know, if a member is near the Arctic Circle, the midday sun would be not far above the horizon during the short day. I think that's a fantastic photo opportunity for long shadows and sidelight AND perfectly meets the challenge. |
Not sure I agree, as the point of the challenge is finding a way to get an interesting photo with the sun fairly high overhead. Living in the arctic circle neatly sidesteps this. However, I am not going to be nitpicking perceived angles of light when voting. If the photographer found a way around the sucky light, then those shots may not be obviously midday sun.
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10/26/2010 10:02:35 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
...the point of the challenge is finding a way to get an interesting photo with the sun fairly high overhead.... |
emphasis added by me
You're a good guy and I do appreciate your previous post. But, you do make my point. There is nowhere in the challenge description or title that refers to "sun fairly high overhead". That is a criteria that you (and maybe many others) may unfairly add to the challenge.
"One of the frequent critiques challenge entries receive is being shot in the harsh and unflattering mid-day sun. Sometimes we don't have a choice about when we can shoot a certain scene. We can, however, learn to use that midday light to advantage through creative composition and post processing choices. Enter a photo taken in the normally lousy midday sun that overcomes the usual limitations of that time of day."
See! No mention of sun fairly high overhead. The description of the challenge only requires a shot in harsh and unflattering mid-day sun. Even when the sun is low in the sky at mid-day, the light can be harsh and unflattering. This is especially true in the arid climates away from polluted city air. The lack of light diffraction in clear, dry air creates about as harsh a situation as one can imagine. On the other side of the coin, you could be located near the Tropic of Capricorn for this challenge and be in a place with lots of humidity and air pollution, which would diffuse the light a lot. You could actually have the sun directly overhead in that southern latitude situation and not have a harsh lighting situation.
(Just me talking my book!) |
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10/26/2010 10:07:36 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
See! No mention of sun fairly high overhead. The description of the challenge only requires a shot in harsh and unflattering mid-day sun. Even when the sun is low in the sky at mid-day, the light can be harsh and unflattering. This is especially true in the arid climates away from polluted city air. The lack of light diffraction in clear, dry air creates about as harsh a situation as one can imagine. On the other side of the coin, you could be located near the Tropic of Capricorn for this challenge and be in a place with lots of humidity and air pollution, which would diffuse the light a lot. You could actually have the sun directly overhead in that southern latitude situation and not have a harsh lighting situation.
(Just me talking my book!) |
I thought that "harsh and unflattering midday sun" described it, but I think we are getting into nitpicky semantics at this point. You have a good point about the quality of light created by other conditions.
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10/26/2010 10:10:31 AM · #34 |
Well, in any event... I'm one of those fairly northerly people, and our sun's a LONG ways from directly overhead, yet I'd STILL rather not shoot at mid-day, but I did it for this challenge. I found a subject that responded well to this light. A bunch of them, in fact. But I had some interesting choices to deal with: of these shots, all shot at the exact same time of day, when the sun is as high as it gets in these latitudes at this time, which one most resembles a shot done at traditional "high noon"?
Note, I'm not selecting based on which one used the light best, and I'm not selecting based on which one is the "best image"; no, I'm selecting defensively based on which one I think the voters will most likely accept as "harsh, mid-day light used effectively". This kind of makes me sad, since all were shot in harsh, mid-day light, but so it goes...
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10/26/2010 11:01:25 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm selecting defensively based on which one I think the voters will most likely accept as "harsh, mid-day light used effectively". This kind of makes me sad, since all were shot in harsh, mid-day light, but so it goes... |
I've realized that trying to second guess mass opinion is a losing deal. Not that I don't still get caught up in it...
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10/26/2010 11:31:57 AM · #36 |
| All this technical stuff you guys are discussing has me worried. I live in a northern climate as well, still the sun was fairly high and I had to do some creative photographing to get the subject to look good. I hope people have an open mind when they judge for this challenge, after all isn't one of the ways to deal with mid day sun is to photograph in the shade? Not that I did that, I wanted to see what I could get out in full sunlight. |
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10/26/2010 12:19:33 PM · #37 |
The way I took this challenge was to think of that lighting as IDEAL. What kind of photo/scenario could I take/be around where that light is the best light for that subject.
Mid day you get nice sharp dark shadows, you can also shoot into the sun a bit to get some nice blooming and flare.
Depending on location, you can make a mid day sun shot look (via post) look like some post nuclear disaster if you had the right subject.
I have a feeling a lot of BEAUTIFUL photographs are taken in the desert, during mid day? Anyone have access to a sidewinder heading up a sand dune? How about your fiend romping on the top of a sand dune? Anyone in Africa, a caravan of CAMELS in the hot mid day sahara sun.
Mid day sun is HOT, awesome shots of people in the mid day sun being BEATEN to death by it? To me that's the story of the mid day sun, NOBODY wants to be in it really.....unless you are a girl who likes to turn their skin to leather that is.
Message edited by author 2010-10-26 12:20:04.
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10/26/2010 12:28:10 PM · #38 |
My last four entries these past four weeks, i got a 6.xxx, then a 4.xxx, then a 6.xxx, then a 4.xxx.
If the pattern continues, then i'd be glad to get a 6.xxx this week :) But it had been midday rain here all week so i guess the pattern will not hold. Sigh.. |
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