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10/11/2010 04:57:29 PM · #1 |
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10/11/2010 05:02:24 PM · #2 |
| Compact, stylish, APS-C sensor? Yeah, I think this might be a popular little photo box. |
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10/11/2010 05:30:34 PM · #3 |
| Yup, 12mp on an APS-C sensor is very modest these days - nice to see a company not try to sell it on UberMegapixels. |
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10/11/2010 05:54:35 PM · #4 |
I like the way it looks. Features look good too. $1000US, available March 2011. Price seems a little high to me.
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10/11/2010 05:55:10 PM · #5 |
Definitely think this could be a cool item. It's essentially what I got my LX3 for, which I very rarely zoom out of its widest position.
Kinda wonder how wicked the pricepoint will be, but am very curious. I've had a fond opinion of Fuji since I got my S9100, though I hope their raw processing has improved a huge deal since then, since it was abominable.
ETA: Not sure how I feel about the contrast AF... but perhaps that was unavoidable.
Message edited by author 2010-10-11 18:01:00. |
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10/11/2010 06:10:08 PM · #6 |
Lord, that's beautiful! I'm in love... Price seems very reasonable to me, for the quality you get.
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10/20/2010 08:22:13 AM · #7 |
Like a good photograph, or a secret addiction, I have been haunted by this camera since the link was posted 10 days ago. There are so few digital rangefinders out there.
Leica M8 or M9: $3000 - $6000+ (body only)
Epson RD1x or RD2.. I can find photos, but can't find one for sale. Still made? About $3000.
Fujifilm x100.. about $1000.
Sounded expensive to me at first, but not bad, relative to what's out there. The rationalization process has started....
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10/20/2010 08:42:52 AM · #8 |
That is a thing of beauty... I'm in love... :)
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10/20/2010 08:55:15 AM · #9 |
| I'm sure the red dots on that diagram were put there purely by accident. |
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10/20/2010 09:10:16 AM · #10 |
| It truly is a thing of beauty; camera as art. It harks back to the 1950s, but with modern functionality and convenience. With an APS-C sensor it should produce fantastic images. Love the aperture control ring (how I miss this easy, intuitive way of setting aperture!). |
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10/20/2010 09:19:27 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
.... Love the aperture control ring (how I miss this easy, intuitive way of setting aperture!). |
Me too. It's a part of why this is my favourite lens. Well, my only lens, these days. |
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10/20/2010 09:27:34 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by tph1:
Sounded expensive to me at first, but not bad, relative to what's out there. The rationalization process has started.... |
Tom, we both know that you deserve this camera. You understand it. It understands you. Your moods are its moods. It will purr when you walk in the room. If Fuji was going to put a picture of a user on the box, you would be their first choice.
(The rationalisation process is nearly complete). |
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10/20/2010 09:29:46 AM · #13 |
| Now THAT..... is gorgeous. I just got an Olympus PEN but this Fuj looks way sweeter, but looks ain't everything, let's see how it performs. |
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10/20/2010 12:24:28 PM · #14 |
More info on this beauty if your are interested..
more on the Fuji X100
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10/20/2010 12:33:41 PM · #15 |
| Sigh.... no sugar mamas out there? |
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10/20/2010 01:44:18 PM · #16 |
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10/21/2010 03:06:29 PM · #17 |
I've always just thought of rangefinders as being "not SLR" cameras, but I never really knew the specifics of what makes a camera a rangefinder, other than to just have a vague idea. Now I'm trying to learn those details, but it's confusing me, which is pretty easy to do.
I've looked at wikipedia and Ken Rockwell articles. No through-the-lens viewfinders, no mirrors that flip out of the way... I understand all of that. One thing that confuses me is that it sounds like rangefinders by definition are manually focused, often with the split image merge method of determining focus. But this Fuji has autofocus... I'm not even sure if there is a manual focus option.
Another thing that I find confusing is when I compare it to another camera I've been planning to buy soon, this Panasonic Lumix Four Thirds camera. Both are mirrorless, both have LCD screens, both have Autofocus, but the Panasonic doesn't have a viewfinder... is that what makes it not a rangefinder?
Now with the announcement of the Fuji X100 I'm considering buying it instead of the Panasonic. Advice?? Help! |
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10/21/2010 03:29:20 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by nova:
Another thing that I find confusing is when I compare it to another camera I've been planning to buy soon, this Panasonic Lumix Four Thirds camera. Both are mirrorless, both have LCD screens, both have Autofocus, but the Panasonic doesn't have a viewfinder... is that what makes it not a rangefinder?
Now with the announcement of the Fuji X100 I'm considering buying it instead of the Panasonic. Advice?? Help! |
By definition, a "rangefinder" camera uses a split viewfinder window to facilitate focusing through the elimination of parallax. If that feature is present (i.e. manual focus through side-by-side windows which must be brought into alignment) then the camera's a rangefinder camera. If it can't do that, it isn't. So, technically, this camera's not a rangefinder camera, it uses different focusing technologies. It does have MF, BTW.
As far as I know, the only "true" rangefinder digital camera is the Leica M9. I could be wrong about that.
Regardless, I'd LOVE to have one of these Fujis; it looks just wonderful to me. I'd much prefer it over the Lumix. But a lot of that is old-fart nostalgia.
R.
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10/21/2010 03:53:22 PM · #19 |
| Thank you Robert, that explanation helps very much. I do see the nostalgic appeal of the X100; it's lovely. Even that name sounds like something from the 1950s to me. I dunno, I was planning to take a new small footprint camera on a January vacation and I doubt whether the new Fuji will be available that soon. Thanks again for your reply. |
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10/21/2010 05:27:38 PM · #20 |
The more I read about this the more I go off it :(
Basically a fixed focal length camera, not even a rangefinder but just works on the `contrast` focusing method - f2 is pretty sweet but not great on a 23mm lens. Manual focus that isn`t really manual - more like wire controlled. Its looks pretty, but at $1000 I could think of plenty of pretty things I could buy that would have much more functionality than this.
Initially I was all `Oooooh` and `Ahhhhhhh` - but now its more like `meh`. A case of Emperors new Clothes I feel. |
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10/22/2010 09:52:25 AM · #21 |
| Fixed lens kills this camera, for me. |
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10/22/2010 10:00:05 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by nova:
I've always just thought of rangefinders as being "not SLR" cameras, but I never really knew the specifics of what makes a camera a rangefinder, other than to just have a vague idea. Now I'm trying to learn those details, but it's confusing me, which is pretty easy to do.
I've looked at wikipedia and Ken Rockwell articles. No through-the-lens viewfinders, no mirrors that flip out of the way... I understand all of that. One thing that confuses me is that it sounds like rangefinders by definition are manually focused, often with the split image merge method of determining focus. But this Fuji has autofocus... I'm not even sure if there is a manual focus option.
Another thing that I find confusing is when I compare it to another camera I've been planning to buy soon, this Panasonic Lumix Four Thirds camera. Both are mirrorless, both have LCD screens, both have Autofocus, but the Panasonic doesn't have a viewfinder... is that what makes it not a rangefinder?
Now with the announcement of the Fuji X100 I'm considering buying it instead of the Panasonic. Advice?? Help! |
The Fuji is styled to look like a rangefinder, but it isn't in the classic sense. It's a fixed lens, mirrorless camera with an APS-C sensor. In practical use, it will work very much like rangefinders.
If you want to get really technical, all SLRs that have AF are rangefinder cameras. The prisms in the AF system work exactly like the viewfinder in an RF camera.
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10/22/2010 10:23:40 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by alohadave:
If you want to get really technical, all SLRs that have AF are rangefinder cameras. The prisms in the AF system work exactly like the viewfinder in an RF camera. |
How do you figure that? A rangefinder works by resolving parallax between two separate images projected into the same viewfinder window. An SLR projects a single image onto a ground glass and the autofocus works by reading the contrast of the image.
R. |
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10/22/2010 10:27:01 AM · #24 |
Beautiful item, much like the old Leica cams in appearance. I'm afraid that the fixed lens would not work for me though.
I use a Fuji with the same sensor, and find that I can crop quite a bit without losing quality at screen size, or 8X10 print resolution.
It's not totally the same as it would be using a 35mm lens on a 35mm film cam but for the number of photos I would shoot with one, I can do pretty much the same with an old film cam for much less money.
I am guessing that it feels great to hold it though.
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10/22/2010 11:38:55 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by alohadave:
If you want to get really technical, all SLRs that have AF are rangefinder cameras. The prisms in the AF system work exactly like the viewfinder in an RF camera. |
How do you figure that? A rangefinder works by resolving parallax between two separate images projected into the same viewfinder window. An SLR projects a single image onto a ground glass and the autofocus works by reading the contrast of the image.
R. |
It projects an image onto the ground glass for the viewfinder, it also uses a semi-transparent window in the main mirror to direct light the AF sensors. The AF system is a basic rangefinder.
If you have a dSLR, take your lens off and look at the mirror. If you gently lift the mirror, you'll see a second mirror under the main. Light goes through the main mirror, off the secondary, and into the AF sensor where it is split by the prisms there.
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofocus#Phase_detection
The contrast detection method is used with P&S cameras and cameras without a mirror to direct part of the image at AF sensors.
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