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03/12/2004 07:18:54 AM · #1 |
Hi
I am upgrading my PC for this first time , i am adding another hard disk, faster and bigger in memory.
I like to keep my old Hard disk as a scratch disk for Using with Photo Shop .
Also i would like if it is possible that all my temp files that my pc creates, i mean like created while browsing internet , or just working ant application should be created on the older disk, keeping my new disk for storage pupose only, i will upgrade from windows 98 second edition to XP, any cluse how to about it
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03/12/2004 08:08:35 AM · #2 |
if the old drive is slower than the new one i wouldn't do either of the things you are reffering too. but the opposite would work. using the old disk for storage, run it as a slave drive to the new one by changing the jumper on the back.
whats the processor speed? how much RAM have you got? and whats the size in GB of the new disk -vs the old disk?
you bought a faster drive for better performance i am assuming, caching stuff to the slower drive is going to nullify that boost in speed.
also winXP, and win98 use a different file structure, and i'm not 100% the win98 drive would be recognized by winXP.
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03/12/2004 08:42:30 AM · #3 |
it would be best as suggested by soup to install the new HD as the master drive and make the old drive the slave drive and install a fresh copy of WinXP on the new drive, some problems could be encountered while upgrading to XP from Win98, just make sure you have your Win98SE CD handy. Im NOT saying there will be problems, but there is a good potential for problems.
you can used the old drive as a storage/scratch drive, but the cost of new HD's is pretty low.
Also have you looked into wether or not your mother board will support more memory and a faster processor? If you bought a name brand off the shelf PC sometimes they come maxed out or can not support upgrades, or if they do support going to a faster processor and more memory, you could be limited on what you can go to.
you can build a PC for pretty cheap if you are comfortable doing so.
you can get a case with a power supply for around $29 to $59 depending on power output of the power supply. one with a 300w power supply will be cheaper than a 400w power supply.
you can get a mother board combo with a processor for around $120 to $250 depending on how fast you want to go.
check out Pricewatch.com
this will give you an idea of a good cost of PC parts.
I have build about 5 PC's buying stuff from here and have had very good luck, but watcht the places with low cost and HIGH shipping cost.
James
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03/12/2004 10:17:31 AM · #4 |
I might be cheaper and simpler to buy a drive already encased in a new computer with the OS already installed, and network the old computer to use its hard drive.
Message edited by author 2004-03-12 10:18:17. |
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03/12/2004 10:34:19 AM · #5 |
i just built a fairly high end machine for about $450 -w/o the vid card, and HD.
soyo p4x400 dragon ultra platinum main board, P4 2.6ghz, 533mhz FSB, 512M 400mhz DDR ram,
400watt power supply, case with clear side panel, cooling fan, case fan.
it loads photoshop almost as fast as internet explorer can fully load the msn homepage on a cable connection.
if you know what you are doing you get top quality for white box prices.
and have the ability to upgrade down the road - where as a boxed pc is usually as is, with many features on board
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I might be cheaper and simpler to buy a drive already encased in a new computer with the OS already installed, and network the old computer to use its hard drive. |
Message edited by author 2004-03-12 10:35:57.
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03/12/2004 10:47:56 AM · #6 |
| I'm not adept enough (i.e. too lazy) to do that ... but I know you can go to Costco and buy a complete machine with about a 60GB drive for not much more than the cost of a 120GB drive. Of course, they have some drives ridiculously cheap too. |
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03/12/2004 11:08:45 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by General:
temp files that my pc creates, i mean like created while browsing internet |
To do this with Internet Explorer hit Tools, Internet Options, In the temporary internet files area click on Settings, Click move folder, and browse for your folder on the storage HD.
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03/12/2004 11:54:51 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by General:
Hi
i will upgrade from windows 98 second edition to XP, any cluse how to about it |
Make sure you run the XP adviser to ensure you have got all the up to date drivers for all your peripherals. great operating system,very stable. ( I expect there will be some that disagree :) )
Paul. |
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03/12/2004 12:15:57 PM · #9 |
create a partition for windows, or other OS, so nothing interferes with windows speed.
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03/12/2004 12:36:55 PM · #10 |
thanks for replies
Well as my initial post must have shown my limited knowledge of Pc
Well i will make my new hard disk my Master and older slave.
It is IBM PC , bought of shelf.
Right now i have , processor is 733 mhz with 64 mb sdram and i want to upgrade it to higher level, there are 2 problems,
first one is that i am not sure what is bus speed of ram ( ram do have bus speed right? , i mean i have heard words like 133, 233, etc)
how can i know the bus speed of my ram.
Since i dont know for sure i enquired and i got 128mb for 30$ , It is not easily available. I am in india, how much will be sdram in usa
Which Os to use , XP or windows 98 only , ( i will buy XP and start from scratch if i have to ) incase i stick on with 98 ( i have no problems as such) so how high can i take my ram (i have heard upper limit is 512mb)
As regards to temp internet files, well i do click internet options, all i know is that some one had emailed me a snap in november 2003, after i have deleted temp files many times since than , yet i was able to a temp file of that image yesterday when i did some search to find a image file using wild card , how is it possible.
I dont much about Pc, 30 days ago i had to do lot imaging work on heavy files, ( it was basically collage work, creating one image from 2-4 or 5 images) on average each image was 15-20mb , i had to prepare files for nearly 100 prints that too after gong through 200-300 files
as i was about to complete my work i realised i had no space on my hardisk, so i had to take back up of all the files on cd , and delete the orginal from har disk, still i could only i was left with on 2 gb hard disk , than i did a search to find where these files that were occupying the HDD, i found they were all temp files.
I would be interested in asembling a Pc in near future only for imaging but i have a confusion , if i a buy n orginal motherboard with video card on it , will it be good enough , i dont play any games on my Pc or do any other stuff except say using PS or Internet browsing. |
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03/12/2004 12:48:37 PM · #11 |
| With your configuration, you are better off buying a new PC. Yours is fine for internet work, but you should have a faster PC and hard drive for imaging work. Overall, it will be cheaper to buy new, especially if you had to pay for Windows XP on top of your hardware purchases. |
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03/12/2004 01:07:20 PM · #12 |
General,
I sent you a PM that I felt was too long for this thread.
Unless you just need WinXP for some reason I'd suggest staying with Win98. From a technical perspective WinXP uses managed garbage collection of memory. That means that it allocates memory for programs based on what the program requests and other factors in the OS but then closing a program does not guarantee release of the allocated memory. Nor does closing an image. If you will be using your hardware 256mb of memory is not enough to work with 4 or 5 images that are 15-20mb in size regardless of the OS (you'll be waiting on the hardware more than you'll be working). Doing the exact same work on XP will cause even more of a slowdown because the OS will have to use some processing power to poll the memory resources and reallocate memory from time-to-time. If you have already overburdened the memory resources this can become an additional bottleneck. As I said in my PM, I'd suggest upgrading your hardware first and try working with Win98 for a little while until you can afford to throw some serious hardware at WinXP. It's a great system as long as you have a little spare memory room for it. I definitely would not put it on a 733mhz machine with less than a GB of RAM and then try to do the image editing you're talking about.
Kev
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03/12/2004 02:14:21 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
General,
I sent you a PM that I felt was too long for this thread.
...snip...
It's a great system as long as you have a little spare memory room for it. I definitely would not put it on a 733mhz machine with less than a GB of RAM and then try to do the image editing you're talking about.
Kev |
Kevin,
Your statement overlooks the very important limitation of Win98, that it has a 64KB resource heap limitation. One thing I do remember when I used to run Win98 for work was that Win98 was constantly losing resources as applications were run and stopped, and thus you would eventually have to reboot.
I have not cared to read much about the paging algorithms of WinXP, but I do know that memory management works much better in practice than Win98. If what you say about losing memory is true, then WinXP would need to be rebooted much more often than Win98. It's just not the case. I run for weeks at a time without rebooting my PC. Try that on Win98. I do have a Win98 installation here, as well as a ghosted version for my software testing, and it does boot quickly, and its indeed much leaner than WinXP or 2000. However, if General follows my recommendation and buys a new machine, getting WinXP with it is a great cost savings. I have 1 GB of memory on my machine, and besides running for weeks without the need to reboot, I run a large number of major memory hogging processes, all at once.
Another important feature: programs don't stomp over one another in WinXP and 2000, and they can be easily terminated by using the very nice task manager provided.
Regards--Neil
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03/12/2004 03:22:29 PM · #14 |
Upgrade to XP its a very solid stable OS, In my experience anyway, no doubt some people have had problems with it but thats the same with any mass produced product. Support of W98 by Microsoft is either ceased or ceasing soon.
I am running XP with 768mb ram on a AMD XP2000+ 1.67Ghz so its a fairly old processor but its fine for what I need and an Gforce2 TI graphics card which is the weakest link.
Message edited by author 2004-03-12 15:22:54.
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03/12/2004 03:22:54 PM · #15 |
Neil,
I wholeheartedly agree with buying another machine as the best possible solution.
General's comments were regarding upgrading the computer he has and my advice is to upgrade the hardware without upgrading the OS as a first step. I'm not terribly interested in memory management other than to say that WinXP requires a lot of computing power to do the kind of editing General was talking about.
I run WindowsXP Professional on an AMD XP 2000+ (1.67Ghz) with 2GB of RAM and 240GB of hard drive space spread over 3 drives:
80GB - Windows & Photoshop
120GB - Photo storage
40GB - Scratch disk and games
I stand by my statement that running with General's current configuration or even one with a faster hard drive and 128mb of RAM added to his system and then trying to edit multiple RAW files at the same time in Photoshop will still causes delays. Trying to edit 4 or 5 RAW images while running WinXP with a 733Mhz machine and less than 512mb of RAM will definitely still give General delays in editing.
Kev
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03/12/2004 10:37:58 PM · #16 |
After reading the replies, I will definately stick to 98 on this Pc, but ya i have to reboot it alot and i dont like that but still on this PC i will stick to 98.
So where do i buy my memory from online.
I would be interested in a second maching only for imaging and nothing else but little later but it will be only for imaging.
I have flirted with idea of amd machine couple of times than on last moment chickened out for intel.
This time i want to go for a PC which should have-:
amd processor
Lots of ram, how much ideally considering i tend to have an image of 18mb because of collage work from 4-5 photographs ( using a 2 megapxel camera) hence file size will increase drastically when i go for 6 megapixel camera and do same kind of collage work
OS not decided but Windows XP over 98 ( i am right)
What hard drive i.e speed and size. How many many, two or three
biggest confusion is about video card, since i will be using my new Pc only for Imaging, No games ( i dont plays games) than still i should go for a external video card or on board card on mother board will be good enough.
Which Monitor , i need one that has some self calibration.
External Calibration device, which one to buy.
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