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03/09/2004 11:11:00 PM · #1 |
I am having problems duplicating the lighting in this shot below...
You see how there is a solid light band on the top around the bowling ball? There is a second light, which is better seen in this photo:
//www.dynothane.com/images/stories/dt/zoom_vendettaparticle1.jpg
SOmeone got an idea how they setup the lighting? I've tried, unsuccessfully, to get that solid stripe on top.
Thanks for you help!
Message edited by author 2004-03-09 23:11:23.
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03/09/2004 11:20:10 PM · #2 |
| polarizer? (just a wild guess, probably wrong) |
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03/09/2004 11:22:53 PM · #3 |
Photoshop? (C;
almst looks like the whole thing was done in PS, but the overhead light looks like a large flourescent light.
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03/09/2004 11:36:15 PM · #4 |
No, these are real bowling balls. Although the logo is done in PS. I maintain this company's website and I get lots of these photos from their ad firm. The almost all have the exact same lighting. They do the ad work for several bowling ball manufacturers, so I'm confident that they have a special setup just for shooting these balls.
The problem is they take pics of the prototype bowling balls, and by the time the balls get into production the colors are a little different. So I have to retake the pics.
Because the ball is a sphere, the light would have to be pretty long or curved. It almost looks like it's a long flourescent light unit. I've tried to duplicate it, and all my shots stink.
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03/09/2004 11:46:15 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by bamaster:
No, these are real bowling balls. Although the logo is done in PS. I maintain this company's website and I get lots of these photos from their ad firm. The almost all have the exact same lighting. They do the ad work for several bowling ball manufacturers, so I'm confident that they have a special setup just for shooting these balls.
The problem is they take pics of the prototype bowling balls, and by the time the balls get into production the colors are a little different. So I have to retake the pics.
Because the ball is a sphere, the light would have to be pretty long or curved. It almost looks like it's a long flourescent light unit. I've tried to duplicate it, and all my shots stink. |
Bam I'd bet that's a flourescent light setup - the four-foot long tube kind. With one of those directly overhead positioned between the camera and the ball, plus a single bulb directional source like a 200W spot you'd get reflections like that. If it was PS it would be more symmetrical looking i think.
That'd be my bet.
Pedro
edit: if your reflection is too small in the ones you've tried, try elevating the ball closer to the lights (maybe too obvious, but figured I'd better say it just in case :))
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03/09/2004 11:52:27 PM · #6 |
Good call Pedro...
I bought a flourescent light unti, but it was like a 2 footer and it wasn't nearly long enough. I'll pick up one of those 4 ft ones. It'll take some work to get it right. But the bowling balls come out so nice!
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03/10/2004 12:06:41 AM · #7 |
| The light on top is a large softbox directly over the top of the bowling ball. The second light you see is the Main light (usually a bare bulb or an umbrella or a smaller softbox). Sorry guys, no flourescent lights here. They are all balanced studio flashes. |
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03/10/2004 12:43:27 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by lightpro1:
The light on top is a large softbox directly over the top of the bowling ball. The second light you see is the Main light (usually a bare bulb or an umbrella or a smaller softbox). Sorry guys, no flourescent lights here. They are all balanced studio flashes. |
huh. it looked too white, and like it darkened towards the edges which is why i thought flourescent...but in general I'd take lighting advice from anybody with a handle like "Lightpro1" over me any day. :)
thanks for the lesson David.
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03/10/2004 10:36:34 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by lightpro1:
The light on top is a large softbox directly over the top of the bowling ball. |
How big of a softbox, you think? |
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03/10/2004 06:17:54 PM · #10 |
I would guess a 24 or 36" lightsource. They might also be using a translucent background table and shooting light up through it to get the crisp white under the ball. Tough to say, it can be done either way. I'm sure they have also workeed the image over in photoshop. I clean my white backgrounds up there when I have a little spot here and there.
DynaThane is one of my favorite bowling balls, by the way. If you ever get to meet Walter Ray, say hello from Cleveland for me! |
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03/10/2004 11:16:47 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by lightpro1:
I would guess a 24 or 36" lightsource. They might also be using a translucent background table and shooting light up through it to get the crisp white under the ball. Tough to say, it can be done either way. I'm sure they have also workeed the image over in photoshop. I clean my white backgrounds up there when I have a little spot here and there.
DynaThane is one of my favorite bowling balls, by the way. If you ever get to meet Walter Ray, say hello from Cleveland for me! |
Yeah, the logo is placed on the ball in PS. This photo has been sent through PS a few times (resizing and stuff), but the initial shot is what I'm trying to get. I am not sent originals, they crop the ball out of the original and paste it into a white background.
I'll work on a home studio for these things. I've taken almost all the product shots on the website, sadly most of them stink since I really don't have the time to do them right.
You bowl? I have a PBA Regional staff contract with Dyno-thane. I've met Walter Ray several times. But he's not with Dyno-than anymore, he's throwing Track these days. But I chat with Steve Jaros (3 wins this year) and he's on DT staff. I'm pretty active here in the Southwest.
Thanks for your tips. I'll research some lighting gear.
Message edited by author 2004-03-10 23:19:06.
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03/11/2004 01:21:47 AM · #12 |
Didn't realize Walter Ray had switched. Jaros is looking pretty good this year. I'll be bowling in an regional this week. Throwing all Storm right now, but have been looking at DyanoThane a lot lately.
Wish there was a way I could help you with the shots. I have the equipment to duplicate them here, but Cleveland is a pretty good drive.
What Studio equipment do you have there? |
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03/11/2004 10:27:38 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by lightpro1:
Didn't realize Walter Ray had switched. Jaros is looking pretty good this year. I'll be bowling in an regional this week. Throwing all Storm right now, but have been looking at DyanoThane a lot lately.
Wish there was a way I could help you with the shots. I have the equipment to duplicate them here, but Cleveland is a pretty good drive.
What Studio equipment do you have there? |
Yes, Jaros has to be the front runner for Player of the Year. It's going to come down the World Championships starting next week. I'm bowling a regional this weekend too, here in Houston. I won one two years ago but I've been in a severe slump since then.
If you can duplicate the shot, I'll send you an new Dyno-thane ball for free of your choice (which by the way are manufactured by Storm but are very different cores/covers). You can keep the photos and ball if you will tell me exactly what I need to buy to get the lighting correct. Just take pics of your studio setup and let me know the gear you used.
I don't have any lighting equipment other than a Smith-Victor 500 Watt Tungsten Flood Light 12", real cheapy. My Canon D30 is plenty of camera for my needs right now, although I'm due for an upgrade. I'm one of those guys who believes it all in the lighting, so if I can get 90% there I'll be happy.
If you're interested, e-mail me at tony AT allbowling DOT com
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