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09/09/2010 05:09:04 PM · #51

Heathen.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

09/09/2010 05:12:11 PM · #52

Reverend Loon just announced that he's canceling the Koran burning. Maybe he's switching to marshmallows. And cider. :-)

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

09/09/2010 05:16:32 PM · #53

Originally posted by scalvert:

Reverend Loon just announced that he's canceling the Koran burning. Maybe he's switching to marshmallows. And cider. :-)

The man is crazy...crazy like a fox!

Louis

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

09/09/2010 05:53:44 PM · #54

The AP (in The Star) says "Pastor Terry Jones said Thursday that he decided to cancel his protest because the leader of a planned Islamic Centre near Ground Zero in New York has agreed to move its controversial location. The agreement couldnâ��t be immediately confirmed." I wonder if they have that right.

Edit: A fuller version of the AP story in the Globe. Everyone has the warm fuzzies (or the lurching stomachs).

Message edited by author 2010-09-09 17:56:16.

raish

Olympus C-2500L

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

09/09/2010 06:00:08 PM · #55

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by LoudDog:
Would you consider burning a bible or dunking a cross in urine a hate crime?

I need to clarify something; it's not the fact that he's burning a Koran, per se, it's the very public way he's going about it, trying to rile people up, trying to create dramatic consequences, that's got me worried. So I'm really just speculating it might fit under that umbrella. I donno. I'm a pretty liberal guy, I pretty much believe in leaving people alone and just controlling your own reactions to them, but...

This is so EXTREME. I donno what to think, honestly.

R.

erm - let's see - there's some yankee doodle idiot screaming via whomever he can get to do the screaming for him, "I'm doing bad behaviour! Hey look! I'm not stopping, I'm still doing it, how's that for bad? Bad me! HEY! REALLY REALLY BAD! HEY, LOOK!" etc

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 28-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/09/2010 06:00:19 PM · #56

It makes it sound like they moved the Mosque because of the threatened Koran burning (which is very unlikely to be true). However, IF it's true it gives me the idea of keeping a koran on all airlines in a glass case with a little sign, "In case of extremist highjacking, break glass and threaten to burn" Should work like a charm!

johnnyphoto

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

09/09/2010 06:14:52 PM · #57

Watch this.

It also sounds like Donald Trump offered to buy the Mosque property in New York. Weird story.

09/09/2010 06:51:06 PM · #58

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

The sooner the human race grows out of believing all of these ridiculous myths the better.

There I've said it.

From that stand point - burn the books, don't burn the books, it matters not a jot. But leave people be.

09/09/2010 06:52:08 PM · #59

Originally posted by Louis:

Good point. None of it will matter in about 2.5 million years anyway, when the species has become extinct. (I'm reading a book on human evolution that contains this bald fact, delivered dryly and with no hoopla.)

I find your figure horribly optimistic.

09/09/2010 06:56:41 PM · #60

Originally posted by ahmadbaara:

Originally posted by Jac:

As for burning a Koran. I agree with the pastor in that Muslims seem to have an agenda of increasing their populace worldwide to expand Islam but burning a Koran will only make things worse. He actually has already sent a message and should stop there. But he's from a state that thinks the next President will be another bush. (no capital B for a bush).

Thats true and no Muslim would deny that, on the other had all other religions similarly try to increase their numbers ex. missionaries, the Crusades etc.. and all religions want people to follow their path of "enlightenment" whatever that is :P

Am I offended by the burning? Not really..
Why? Because I think they are just silly people trying to get on my nerves, and in the end of the day they wont effect Me physcally or mentally so I just flip the channel whenever they are on the news :)

Are other Muslims effected by this? Unfortunately yes, Because ever since the Crusades 5 or 6 hundred years ago and to this day many western, and might I dare to add christian majority countries have occupied Arab territories (Italians, French, English to name a few).

Do you think the Muslims and Arabs developed a grudge or hatred? you tell me!! and to burn their holy book?...hmmm

Many of the radicals and extremists view the recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as holy wars, a war between Christians and Muslims, and I'm sure the book burning isnt going to help in mending fences.

Most of all I agree the press are not helping with this matter either.

And I think anyone who performs sacrilege against another religion is a Moron!

Ahmad

I think any group that is trying to increase the number of humans on this planet are morons. You selfish fools are going to be the end of our species.

Louis

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

09/09/2010 06:59:35 PM · #61

Well... that's pretty much the top end of the scale of existence for any distinct species. And yes, the difficulty in making predictions about the longevity of species (including those in the fossil record) is in deciding if its extinction is due to intrinsic or environmental factors.

09/09/2010 07:00:03 PM · #62

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by roby21112:
I don't care if he burns some books. I do care that the coverage of this is in a way arming the media. As far as the Mosque goes i would put it on the top floor of the freedom tower and call it a day.

Indeed. I can think of no better place for a huge Mosque than right in the middle of Ground Zero. I honestly think that would be a wonderful thing to do. And a huge 'Fuck You' to the tiny tiny percentage (like, 0000.2%) of Muslims that are fundamentalist terrorists. If i were the American people i would build it HUGE!

But, what the hell do i know. I'm just some sort of animist, polytheist, tantrist, pantheist, kemetic, agnostic, hedonist Pagan.

I wish there were more like me. So we could share ice cream and cider in the woods.

You're still subscribing to ancient myths.. (mostly?).. But I'll share that cider and ice cream... (you can totally keep the kool-aid).. :)

09/09/2010 07:03:18 PM · #63

Originally posted by Louis:

Evolution itself drives extinction... As do many other things, yesterday two asteroids passed between the moon and the earth... We noticed them Sunday. Anything that goes between the Earth and Moon is a candidate for serious problems. The latest eruption in Indonesia was a volcano just a bit north of Toba.. Etc. Etc.. But really? I strongly suspect that we will indeed be the causation of our own demise.

09/09/2010 07:05:19 PM · #64

On this topic... :)

I just got a great book, not done yet, but well into it, and it's good, very good. :)

Steven Hawking's "The Grand Design"... I think most of the posters in this thread would enjoy the read.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

09/09/2010 07:07:28 PM · #65

Originally posted by coryboehne:

Originally posted by Louis:
Well... that's pretty much the top end of the scale of existence for any distinct species. And yes, the difficulty in making predictions about the longevity of species (including those in the fossil record) is in deciding if its extinction is due to intrinsic or environmental factors.

Evolution itself drives extinction... As do many other things, yesterday two asteroids passed between the moon and the earth... We noticed them Sunday. Anything that goes between the Earth and Moon is a candidate for serious problems. The latest eruption in Indonesia was a volcano just a bit north of Toba.. Etc. Etc.. But really? I strongly suspect that we will indeed be the causation of our own demise.

Unless the catastrophe is large enough to remove ALL complex life from the surface of the earth, humans will be the last to survive. We are obviously the most well adapted complex creature on earth and thus will make it to the end. If there is plant life, there will be human life.

rooum

09/09/2010 07:10:43 PM · #66

Originally posted by coryboehne:

You're still subscribing to ancient myths.. (mostly?).. But I'll share that cider and ice cream... (you can totally keep the kool-aid).. :)

I take 'subscribing' as a huge insult. As is 'still' :)

Nothing wrong with myths dude!

(Actually, i'm more than happy to talk about my Pagan ideas and beliefs if anyone is interested. I imagine it is quite boring to most people though.)

09/09/2010 07:21:10 PM · #67

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by coryboehne:

You're still subscribing to ancient myths.. (mostly?).. But I'll share that cider and ice cream... (you can totally keep the kool-aid).. :)

I take 'subscribing' as a huge insult. As is 'still' :)

Nothing wrong with myths dude!

(Actually, i'm more than happy to talk about my Pagan ideas and beliefs if anyone is interested. I imagine it is quite boring to most people though.)

Well, I don't mean to offend you (much)... But if you really believe, then yes, I would say subscribing is an appropriate word, and as for still? Yes, again, those particular myths are many thousands of years old...

I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that bronze-age tribesmen really found the final answers to morality, aesthetics and what generally counts as a life well lived.

Far too many conflicts with observable reality and too many invocations of myth to explain that which is now evident.

*shrug*

ETA: You are absolutely right that there is nothing wrong with myths, as long as they are recognized as such, and not regarded as absolute truths.

Message edited by author 2010-09-09 19:21:49.

rooum

09/09/2010 07:37:06 PM · #68

Originally posted by coryboehne:

*shrug*

Indeed.

(by which i mean i would like a conversation about this on DPC- but it is not the point of this thread-and i'm a bit wary in a way. Plus i am a bit drunk- next time dude!)

Message edited by author 2010-09-09 19:39:53.

VitaminB

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

09/09/2010 08:53:27 PM · #69

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

That is very a anthropocentric idea. It is very difficult to define complexity when speaking of different species. We are not more evolved than anything else on the planet. Everything alive today is the result of billions of years of evolution, so we are all equally evolved.

As for complexity, what is to suggest that complexity will save any species. It may be simplicity that survives in the end.

Louis

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

09/09/2010 08:55:18 PM · #70

I agree with all that, but it is probably true that humans have been the most successful species so far in terms of not just adapting to the environment, but controlling it.

VitaminB

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

09/09/2010 08:59:56 PM · #71

Originally posted by Louis:

I agree with all that, but it is probably true that humans have been the most successful species so far in terms of not just adapting to the environment, but controlling it.

I think we would definitely but up there as the most successfully mammal. But bacteria and insects kick our ass in terms of biomass, numbers, and diversity.

As for controlling our environment, unfortunately, there is no doubt that we have had the most success in exploiting our environment to fit our adaptations.

david_c

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

09/09/2010 09:12:57 PM · #72

Originally posted by VitaminB:

It may be simplicity that survives in the end.

Seems like a reasonable idea. Jason may think we have some sort of special place in this cosmos, but on this planet? The bacteria will long outlive our presence on Earth. Of course, we will have probably evolved far beyond what we consider human today, but there will be colonies in transit to another galaxy by then. :-D

VitaminB

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

09/09/2010 09:16:15 PM · #73

Originally posted by david_c:

Of course, we will have probably evolved far beyond what we consider human today, but there will be colonies in transit to another galaxy by then. :-D

Stephen Hawking may be on to something...
Find Other Planets or Face Extinction :)

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

09/09/2010 09:18:23 PM · #74

Originally posted by VitaminB:

Originally posted by david_c:
Of course, we will have probably evolved far beyond what we consider human today, but there will be colonies in transit to another galaxy by then. :-D

Stephen Hawking may be on to something...
Find Other Planets or Face Extinction :)

why bother? They're probably burning something equally as sacred and inflammatory there, as well.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III