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08/18/2010 06:02:44 PM · #1 |
Hey guys,
I'm not sure where to post this, but I have a client who's looking for 100 good photos to use for a creative, educational, campaign. He'll be paying for each photo he likes.
Since he wants photos, I thought I'd let some photo communities know about it. Is this something your community would like to get involved in? If so, what forum should I add it to?
Let me know if you have any questions, or if I can help somehow. Thanks,
-David |
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08/18/2010 06:12:44 PM · #2 |
I suggest you post the general types of photos being looked-for, and then people who might have something suitable they'd like to offer can post a link here, or maybe the client can browse their portfolio.
I take it you are looking for something cheaper than stock photos. "Most" people here are amenable to licensing their photos, but very sensitive about unauthorized use -- I appreciate you checking it out with people first.
FWIW, you might consider looking at one of the stock sites which uses a subscription model, such as Shutterstock -- you can download quite a few photos for a reasonable monthly fee. I have a couple of hundred pictures over there, as do several other members here. |
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08/18/2010 06:13:07 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by DesignerDave:
Hey guys,
I'm not sure where to post this, but I have a client who's looking for 100 good photos to use for a creative, educational, campaign. He'll be paying for each photo he likes.
Since he wants photos, I thought I'd let some photo communities know about it. Is this something your community would like to get involved in? If so, what forum should I add it to?
Let me know if you have any questions, or if I can help somehow. Thanks,
-David |
Have him look through my portfolio... Everything is available in print at the right price, provided you're not pushing any extremest agendas. (I will require usage details.) |
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08/18/2010 06:26:22 PM · #4 |
:)
The client says he'll pay $100 for each photo. Each photo needs a clever caption. It will be used in various ad formats. He's got some great examples (at least I think they're great) I could show you.
The client's company helps high school seniors find the right college based on their interests . One image is of an ice skater (twirling) with a caption like: 7 of the 8 Ivy leagues schools have an ice rink on campus. Or "Mozart was 5 when he wrote his first piece" (photo of 5 year old playing trumped w/ another covering his ears). They also help people find the right music classes, summer classes, yoga classes....
GeneralE, I don't think we're looking for something cheaper than stock photos. He's offering $100 plus any Shutterstock licensing fees. I think $100 is a good price. More than istockphoto ($5-$10). But you'd know more than I would. He's looking for stock photos & will pay the royalty fee of each photo at Shutterstock, plus $100 to the person who finds it. He's got a project page setup on our site with all the details. |
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08/18/2010 06:34:53 PM · #5 |
Perhaps you can PM (send a Personal Message) me the link to the site and I can check it out and post it -- there's a restriction on new members posting links right away ... I suspect there are quite a few people here willing to license a photo for $100 if they know what you're looking for. Personally, I'm probably better at captions than photographs, but I'll certainly look into submitting something myself.
Message edited by author 2010-08-18 18:35:24. |
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08/18/2010 07:07:33 PM · #6 |
 DesignerDave sent me these informative links. The "contest" seems legitimate, though more targeted at copy-writing and design skills than just photographic excellence.
All the participants in the "New Title" thread might be interested in this project. Deadline is in 6 days. The photos do not have to be your own -- the company will license from the owner either individually or through a stock agency.
Contest page
Project page |
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08/18/2010 07:07:40 PM · #7 |
| Of course, a full assignment list would be welcomed, by me at least.. I think might find many DPC'ers who would take the time to create some amazing images that are specifically what you need, if you would post a list of what exactly you are looking for. |
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08/18/2010 07:31:45 PM · #8 |
Coryboehne,
Could you clarify what you mean by a full assignment list? Do you mean, you want a list of what types of photos the client wants? Like a sportsfan cheering at a game, with a caption like "Find a college with a great sports program" ?
The client wants a mix of 100 different photos, so part of it is letting you have the freedom to create the list. I can tell you the client's great at leaving feedback (like, great photo, caption too long). GeneralE's links have a pdf of examples & more info on what types of photos the client wants.
"the execution of these ads is not a part of this particular project."
"Weâre looking for some really great photographs and associated captions that only 'insiders' of a particular educational sector may know or be interested in, and to translate those facts and photos into an effective collection of advertisements for Noodle education."
Probably the easiest way to start is think about a college, or music class, or summer camp you went to, & what was unique about it (Harvard gives out free coffee & pizza during exam week), & capture that in a photo/caption. Anything educational is valid. Maybe start with your other passions (music, law, entrepreneurship, & what type of 'class' goes along with that)
I hope this info is helpful. I know I'm with you though, coryboehne. I wish I could get a full list. That's how I'd work.
GeneralE, I don't want anyone to miss out because they think they're not good at copy. Find a creative photo & add it. I'll help with anyone's copy if the client doesn't like it. Short & sweet, & just mention what's unique about a particular class. I'd like to think it's more about the photo & less about the copy. We can change/get better copy later. The photo is what attracts the attention. :) |
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08/18/2010 09:02:46 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by DesignerDave:
I hope this info is helpful. I know I'm with you though, coryboehne. I wish I could get a full list. That's how I'd work. |
We can develop/brainstorm a list.
But Dave, just to clarify, do you know what they mean by 'insiders' of a particular education sector? I am a high school teacher, and I cant think of much that I would be interested in exclusively. Do you still have those examples you can show us? |
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08/18/2010 09:28:59 PM · #10 |
VitaminB,
brainstorming a list would be a great idea. I'll help, too (tomorrow - busy night) :)
What he means is:
What's the "inside" information on your high school? Does your school give out free breakfast & lunch? That would be unique to your school & "inside" info someone from another state might not know. Now equate that to the college you attended, or in the city where you live? Example: 7 of the 8 Ivy League schools have an ice rink on campus. I didn't know that. I'm a hockey player & if I wanted Ivy League & hockey, that would be valuable info, & "inside" info only alumni, or people who live near the college know about. Out in CA, I do not.
Or Harvard gives out free pizza & coffee during exams. Inside info that's not talked about a lot. It doesn't need to be fantastic like "NYU gives a free car to all seniors," but creative enough to catch the interest of a reader.
Does that help?
-David
(examples: if you click the "Project Page" link in GeneralE's msg, there's a link on that page to .pdf examples. Maybe someone can link it here)
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08/18/2010 09:33:01 PM · #11 |
Do you want the captions to be specific to the university or just nice perks of a campus to think about in general?
IE: University of Colorado offers X intramural sports to keep you busy.
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Intramural sports: keeping you sane through your studies. |
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08/18/2010 10:01:54 PM · #12 |
The following paragraphs from the site's TOS will prove problematic for many photographers here -- the agency should only be able to use forever the winning entries, not every submission. That may not be the intent, but the reach of rights granted is overbroad, IMO.
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You acknowledge and agree that Prova or its licensors retain all ownership rights in and to the Works, and that such Works are covered and protected by copyright, trademark and other intellectual property rights of Prova or its licensors.
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4. Submission of photo, text or other content for Contests
Entries selected for display and to win âbest ofâ contests and any other contests requiring photo, text or other content from the entrants will be judged entirely at the discretion of Prova.
By submitting any photo, entry, or information to Prova, you hereby grant to Prova and its affiliates, subsidiaries, licensees and assigns, an irrevocable, perpetual and royalty-free right to use, reproduce, edit, display, transmit, prepare derivative works of, modify, publish and otherwise make use of the submitted photo or other information in any and all media, whether now known or hereinafter created, throughout the world and for any purpose. In addition to other things, the rights granted to Prova includes but is not limited to the right to resize, crop, censor, compress, edit, feature, caption, affix logos to, and to otherwise alter or make use of the submitted photo; |
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08/19/2010 01:41:41 PM · #13 |
Hey GeneralE,
Sorry about the problematic terms. They were created a long time ago, simply to protect everyone. I had the first issue changed so it states that ownership rights are retained by the original creator. Prova really doesn't want someone else's rights (We're trying to help photographers/designers, not steal their work). Hope this change to the terms is beneficial to you.
The second "issue" is simply so Prova can use an entry to attract more business clients to our site. Much like we put up a photo on our blog, press releases, & offer to news sites, we'd like to showcase our community's work. It's not our intention to "steal" it. However, I'll admit this is thinking from the business end of the community, & what we think is best. I'm open to your suggestions. If it's a dealbreaker, I'll obviously remove it. And after a contest ends, we only use winning entries in news stories.
I really do want to help, so let me know what I can do. Thanks GeneralE,
-Dave |
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08/19/2010 01:46:06 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Do you want the captions to be specific to the university or just nice perks of a campus to think about in general?
IE: University of Colorado offers X intramural sports to keep you busy.
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Intramural sports: keeping you sane through your studies. |
Thanks for asking. Preferably specific to a university, summer camp, individual tutor, etc...
Something like "Colorado College's band has won the national championships 10 out of the last 13 years." (probably not true)
Does this help?
And the captions do NOT need to be placed on the photo. Simply upload the photo & add caption in the form field. |
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08/19/2010 02:04:51 PM · #15 |
Dang, if I'd known about the free pizza I wouldn't have turned down that scholarship.
Still, priorities are important: I would call this Top Weed for Better Heads:  |
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08/19/2010 02:09:45 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by DesignerDave:
The second "issue" is simply so Prova can use an entry to attract more business clients to our site. Much like we put up a photo on our blog, press releases, & offer to news sites, we'd like to showcase our community's work. It's not our intention to "steal" it. However, I'll admit this is thinking from the business end of the community, & what we think is best. I'm open to your suggestions. If it's a dealbreaker, I'll obviously remove it. And after a contest ends, we only use winning entries in news stories.
I really do want to help, so let me know what I can do. Thanks GeneralE,
-Dave |
Dave,
Your responsiveness is a refreshing change!
Here is how we word the relevant paragraph at DPC:
Originally posted by DPC Terms of Use:
6.2 You hereby grant DPChallenge.com a nonexclusive, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sublicensable (through multiple tiers) right to exercise any rights you have in the Member Information and Media, and otherwise to make use of the Member Information and Media (including publishing, disseminating, broadcasting, manipulating, reproducing, editing, translating, performing, modifying, or displaying any part of the Member Information) and/or Media alone or as part of other work in any form, media, or technology whether now new known or hereafter developed, to enable DPChallenge.com to continue the specific operation or marketing of the site. This includes, but is certainly not limited to email "newsletters." |
The highlighted parts are what I consider the crucial limitations. I have no problem with your using the images (with attribution) to promote your site/work. However, the way your terms are worded, you could (for example) take all of the submissions and create a stock library, which you could then license to other designers.
Again, not saying this was the intent -- I've seen similar language so many other places I suspect there's a standard form lawyers use for these ("boilerplate" language) which includes every right and contingency possible. Perhaps you should discuss with your attorney modifying that section to make it clear that the submitter only grants you a non-exclusive license to use it for promotional purposes, unless of course it wins the contest, in which case it's subject to the licensing terms of the contest.
In any event, someplace it should be made clear that the photographer/submitter retains the copyright.
Since you seem to intend to license images from stock agencies, I am assuming that all licenses for winning mages negotiated privately will be non-exclusive as well. Any idea what the royalty would be for that?
I have an image here at DPC (but not at Shutterstock for some reason) which I think would work for this. I'll post it here to see if I've got the right idea, but I'll wait to register and submit until we get the terms worked out. :-) |
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08/19/2010 07:15:37 PM · #17 |
We've updated our TOS to allow Prova nonexclusive rights to use entries solely for marketing purposes. Creators would retain full rights & would only transfer rights if their work is selected as a winning entry & paid for.
I'd love to answer any more questions. Can I help anyone get involved? We strive to help designers, photographers, & other creatives, so let me know if there's anything we can do or improve. I'd love to see you upload some photos soon, as the contest only lasts until Aug 24th.
Thanks,
-Dave |
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08/19/2010 08:44:24 PM · #18 |
How about something along this line:
They Don't Call It Higher Education For Nothing
Reach new musical heights as a Carillonist in UC Berkeley's top-flight music program.
References:
UC Berkeley Music Department
Sather Tower Carillon |
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08/20/2010 04:07:34 PM · #19 |
Great photo GeneralE. What would make UC Berkeley's music program unique? Only one to have ____? 1 of 10 progams that ____?
Much like 7 out of 8 Ivy League schools have an ice rink, is there an interesting tidbit or fact about UC Berkeley that will strengthen the photo's visual message?
-Dave |
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08/20/2010 05:03:03 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by DesignerDave:
Great photo GeneralE. What would make UC Berkeley's music program unique? Only one to have ____? 1 of 10 progams that ____?
Much like 7 out of 8 Ivy League schools have an ice rink, is there an interesting tidbit or fact about UC Berkeley that will strengthen the photo's visual message?
-Dave |
It will take research -- their website doesn't say how many schools have a program to learn to play a carillon -- I assume not too many. It did say that this is a larger-than-usual five-octave instrument, now with 61 bells, and that the music program overall is considered one of the top three in the country. |
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08/20/2010 07:48:00 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
their website doesn't say how many schools have a program to learn to play a carillon -- I assume not too many. It did say that this is a larger-than-usual five-octave instrument, now with 61 bells, and that the music program overall is considered one of the top three in the country. |
Hmm, I don't understand 3 of the major words in that sentence. ;) Sorry, music was never my gift.
I was assuming you were in UC Berkeley's music program. (Maybe you were?)
If there's a stat of how many colleges have "61 bells" that could be a good headline. Or the top 3 is a great stat, too.
"2 of the top 3 music schools are in California"
"2 of the top 3 music schools are in 'sunny states'" [beach states, ....] Just looking for an angle. |
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08/23/2010 02:36:40 PM · #22 |
Hey GeneralE,
The contest is wrapping up tomorrow & I'd love to see you get your entry in. Upload the picture & add the best caption you can think of to the upload form. You can add different/additional captions to the photo's comments later, too.
If anyone else wants to add images & captions from their alumni, I'd love to help. Just let me know.
Thanks,
-Dave |
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08/23/2010 02:51:15 PM · #23 |
| OK -- if we can find out later how many carillon programs there are ... I can't think of anything else to say specific to that instrument. According to their website, the music program is rated as one of the top 3 overall ... maybe you can look at their site and see if there's anything else which can work as the sub-head ... |
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08/23/2010 02:54:48 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
OK -- if we can find out later how many carillon programs there are ... I can't think of anything else to say specific to that instrument. According to their website, the music program is rated as one of the top 3 overall ... maybe you can look at their site and see if there's anything else which can work as the sub-head ... |
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carillon#Schools may help, although it may not be exhaustive. Cornell also has a Carillon where one can learn to play, but I don't think it's for credit. |
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08/23/2010 03:39:18 PM · #25 |
Thanks -- I may have found another angle as well. I also found the full-sized image (whew!) ...
@Dave: How much should I charge for the image license itself, separate from the contest idea? The original image is 2048 x 1536 pixels. |
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