Maybe it's time to retire Basic Rules permanently?

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Tammster

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

07/29/2010 04:56:15 PM · #101

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I've not been one to go out of my way to learn how to fix things after the fact when I feel that what makes me really excited about photography is getting the image as good as is humanly possible before I ever get it into PS. I'll never be a PP guru.......

Interesting, coming from one of the most talented Topaz users I have ever seen. So it seems to me that in almost all of your entries, you fix pretty much everything after the fact (and I'm not saying that's a bad thing, because you do an amazing job with Topaz). You might not be a Photoshop/Elements guru but I consider you a Topaz guru. :)

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

07/29/2010 08:07:01 PM · #102

Originally posted by Tammster:

Originally posted by levyj413:
Now I find that a few swipes on a few sliders in iPhoto and I'm really happy with most of my photos. Every once in a while I climb back into PS, but not most of the time.

If you're happy with that level of editing (as many others in this thread have indicated), nothing would stop you from doing the same exact thing in advanced editing.

Right. But if you actually want to compete in an advanced editing challenge, and you don't have every single spot absolutely perfect, you don't stand a chance (cue the people who will now show shots with basic editing that ribboned - my point stands, as I mean in general, not isolated examples). Voters are unbelievably persnickety.

Anyway, on another note, I seem to remember that advanced rules were held out as a temptation for people to join as paying members, with occasional open challenges using advanced editing to help people see what they're missing.

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

07/29/2010 08:19:37 PM · #103

Hi Jeffrey! :-D

Message edited by author 2010-07-30 00:01:19.

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

07/29/2010 08:49:03 PM · #104

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Tammster:

LOL!!! I'm not sure whether to say thanks or ouch! Remind me never to piss you off!

Let me see if I can explain where I'm coming from. Here's one of my "Places"....I was totally in love with this hallway in this old steel mill/pipe foundry.

I see things diferently than they are, in my mind's eye.....what I do with Topaz is to enhance, and to try to recreate what it is that I see, the way I see it. The editing characteristics of Topaz just particularly resonate withthe vision I try to convey. This was what I did to that original shot to attempt to achieve that....

Is it accurate? No. Is it over-processed? I'm sure to quite a few, definitely. Is it the vision I have of that beautiful old building? Closest thing I've ever been able to produce.

BUT......I don't use Topaz to do anything other then to change the lighting, shadows, texture, and it also seems to have a decided cooling effect as well. But Topaz is a global adjustment; if there's garbage in the shot, then there's nothing I can do.

I've only learned how to use the clone tool in the last year or so, and my dodging and burning is laughable. Bear tried mightily to get me to work with layers, but I just get exasperated, give up, and go back to my old bad habits.

So I see Basic as a means of leveling the playing field against all those people who can, and do, have the skills, knowledge, and experience. Do I enter advanced challenges? You bet! My three highest scores, and five of the six ribbons I've gotten were all in Advanced. I don't let it stop me, bu I'd rather not see it go away, either.

Thanks again for the nice comment on my Topaz skills. I really do appreciate that.

Message edited by author 2010-07-29 20:50:50.

tanguera

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

07/31/2010 08:37:54 PM · #105

I've gone back to the op to see if we were still hashing out the right angle here. Basically (no pun intended), he wants to eliminate Basic Editing. I don't think there's a chance that will happen, as it is, in and of itself, challenging. For anyone who doesn't like Basic, don't enter those challenges.

david_c