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06/22/2010 11:30:01 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
He's no nazi, that's for sure. Try school-yard bully. The kind that is actually too scared to do any physical harm to anyone. |
I didn't call him a Nazi...did I? ...didn't think so.
Coming from people that fled Europe and having a few relative with tattoo's on their forearms...you hear enough stories and tend not to take this shit so, lightly. You might not get it BUT I know a number of people who are kicking themselves to this day for NOT speaking up. It might be easy for you just to sit back but watching this country slip into a morally bankrupt state...where the truth doesn't seem to be of any importance is not something to ever be taken with a grain of salt.
I'm not sure what makes you an expert but I'll go with my gut. I don't see how the OP by making a fool of himself is empowering. He is as dangerous as any extremists...whether it be McVeigh, White Supremist or The Taliban...it's the same deal. Feel free to stay out.
Message edited by author 2010-06-22 11:33:13. |
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06/22/2010 08:40:14 PM · #77 |
We hold these truths to be self-evident:
Any theory is valid if it sells books, appears on You Tube and/or soaks up ratings.
Anything can be true if someone says it loudly enough.
Utter nonsense gets validated when enough people jump on the bandwagon, regardless of any substantiating evidence.
Both "sides" of any argument have to be given their due airtime as respectable theories, even if one entails dinosaurs wearing saddles. Or Obama surreptitiously sending signals to extremists.
I liked in the good old days when people who became educated on a subject were regarded as the experts instead of anyone who shouted loudly and spread a bunch of propaganda... |
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06/22/2010 09:05:39 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
The real truth is that most federal tasks such as implementing a national road system or waterway systems were done to foster competition and enhance individuals' abilities to compete across state boundaries. |
Wouldn't having a healthy educated populous enhance our ability to compete? |
this was not my quote... not that i necessarily disagree... but it was not something I said. |
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06/23/2010 03:26:24 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by noraneko:
dinosaurs wearing saddles. Or Obama surreptitiously sending signals to extremists. |
Which is this? |
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06/23/2010 01:34:21 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by raish:
Originally posted by noraneko:
dinosaurs wearing saddles. Or Obama surreptitiously sending signals to extremists. |
Which is this? |
He's an expert, of course! In this society, since everyone is considered an expert, people who do actually cultivate expertise in a career field (such as climatology) are dismissed by a significant contingent of the population as...well, boring. There's nothing quite like listening to a crank when he gets a cranking. Problem is, there seems to be no standards for "fact" and "fiction" anymore.
I was hoping that the whole "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" thing would finally be put to bed once and for all, but the heroic Christopher Bollyn has pulled it out of the ashes and given it a new name: "The Zionist Criminal Network." This guy's not only a genius, he's original.
Oh, and you can send him a donation to further his cause.
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06/23/2010 07:52:06 PM · #81 |
Here is another you might find interesting.
//obamaism.blogspot.com/
I will agree, who ever put together the first set of posts should not have chopped the words preceding "I am one of them".....and yes, it appears slanted to the right, but you must admit, there is a lot there to be concerned with. I think you must also admit Obama has not been open and up front throughout his presidency. So much so that I don't trust him and neither do a high percentage of others. We will see.
By the way  Mousie, If you lived in one of the muslim countries your head would likely be chopped off. And your friend  ahmadbaarajust might be the one to chop it.
Message edited by author 2010-06-23 20:30:34. |
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06/24/2010 12:43:19 AM · #82 |
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06/24/2010 09:10:59 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
By the way Mousie, If you lived in one of the muslim countries your head would likely be chopped off. And your friend ahmadbaarajust might be the one to chop it. |
For the record, your lifestyle is also punishable by gruesome death in some countries: //www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/3179465/Hanged-for-being-a-Christian-in-Iran.html
ETA: My point is that this is not an indictment of Islam, but of the corrupt dictatorships that have appropriated it for their own malicious ends.
Message edited by author 2010-06-24 09:13:04. |
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06/24/2010 09:41:30 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
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and it is done in private."
Ray |
I thought you might like to know.
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06/24/2010 10:13:19 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
By the way Mousie, If you lived in one of the muslim countries your head would likely be chopped off. And your friend ahmadbaarajust might be the one to chop it. |
Well, i lived for more than a year in a country where the population is 90% muslim and whilst homosexuality is quite common, and can be seen in many places, and is not illegal, it is not really acceptable in the same way that neither is any overt sexuality. I didn't see any beheadings though. Perhaps they did those in secret clubs on a friday night after a few drinks. Kinky devils. |
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06/24/2010 10:28:09 AM · #86 |
David, it appears that the point of your original post was not as much to stir the pot but due to a genuine fear on your part.
The problem is, the site you reference is all about engendering fear, not educating or providing any factual information. The first line read, "Does Barack Obama Believe in Socialism, Marxism, and Communism?"
That is and of itself should be enough to stop the reader, because if Obama actually believed simultaneously in all three (and all of the nuances that went along with them) he would be pulled in so many directions that he wouldn't even know where to begin to pull off what seems to be the great fear - some insidious world order that ends in an "ism."
These are NOT the same political/economic philosophies. And while Marxism and communism are somewhat easier to define, socialism has so many different varieties and manifestations that it is nearly impossible. Many developed countries (including the USA) are a hybrid mix of capitalism and socialism. Many European countries have adopted market policies that include privatization, liberalization, deregulation and financialization in addition to simultaneously pursuing the development of moderate socialism in tandem with market liberalism.
Hence you get private ownership but a lot of social services. Yes, it results in higher taxes, but free medical care and in many instances free higher education might be worth it. That's a debate worth having.
If you research what these philosophies are, and quit bunching them all together under some sort of red scare, I suspect you'll be a lot less fearful. |
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06/24/2010 07:34:13 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
By the way Mousie, If you lived in one of the muslim countries your head would likely be chopped off. And your friend ahmadbaarajust might be the one to chop it. |
Did David just support the case for legal protections for gays? Did I just see that?
Or would he rather my head gets chopped off just for being gay, because people obviously do that? It's not like he can deny it happens, so protection must be necessary, unless he favors homo head chopping.
By the way, I'm loving the example of MY head being chopped off. It's not inflammatory in the slightest!
Maybe David's trying to get me to ignore the actions of my (not friend) Ahmad in favor of easy prejudices about furriners, by playing off my emotional, visceral response to fears and threats. You know, by ignoring what's right in front of him in favor of what he feels is true, and trying to get me to do the same! Me? No thanks, I'll take Ahmad at face value instead of slandering him. Ahmad certainly didn't sound like a head-chopper to me.
Really, David's just pulling another flavor of WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??? here. Stop thinking! Feel! (And do/believe what I want because you're not thinking!)
Does David know I shared a home with an Egyptian foreign exchange student for a year? SHE didn't chop my head off. She just washed herself a lot before prayer, because our dog would keep licking her, the unclean thing.
P.S. David, just because I agree with someone does not make them my friend. Just because I LAUD someone does not make them my friend. I don't know Ahmad from Mao. I only know what he said here, and that it was good. You're like an onion of emotion-trolling tactics... peel away one layer and there's another right below... friend.
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06/24/2010 07:45:05 PM · #88 |
But to be fair, David my friend, why not help us out here... instead of forcing me to rely on intuition and assumption for my own analysis, why not explain why you chose to provide us all with another disingenuous narrative casting Muslims in a bad light, using my blood spurting stump of a neck as the imagery this time around?
You can do that for us, right friend?
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06/24/2010 07:57:43 PM · #89 |
| Dear David, to help you understand one of the terms you casually throw around or at least, is casually thrown around in the propoganda you chose to read/listen to and share, I posted an unbaised definition of socialism here: socialism - defined |
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06/24/2010 08:01:21 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
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and it is done in private."
Ray |
I thought you might like to know. |
...Did you ever stop to think that since I quoted it I already know... or is that beyond your level of comprehension? :O)
Ray |
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06/24/2010 10:21:17 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
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and it is done in private."
Ray |
I thought you might like to know. |
Let`s see. Assuming that the activity consisted of heterosexuals engaging in some sexual activity in public...would you be OK with that.
Ray |
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06/24/2010 11:01:27 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
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and it is done in private."
Ray |
I thought you might like to know. |
How am I supposed to 'be gay' in private? How am I supposed to 'be married' in private? I am a homosexual. I am a homosexual whenever I leave my house. Does my gayest of wedding rings constitute a non-private homosexual act, when I walk down the street? I sure think it does. How about wearing a pink triangle pin? Too much? Rainbow flag on my house? You want to control that behavior too? Picture of my husband on my desk at work? Too... risque?
Basically you're suggesting that I not exist in any meaningful way. Leaving the house means there's gayness in public. Mine.
Now if you're suggesting I not suck peen in public, I can get behind that. I expect the exact same from others, gay or straight. But that's NOT what conservatives (and you, IMO) push for. They don't even want to have to explain the existence of gays to their kids. Which means I can't stand next to my own damn husband in a line at the movies and chat about our banal home life, and it means we can't go out to a romantic dinner together. Lest someone see us being happy together and their kid asks about it.
Fat chance.
Woot! My friend David's totally refocused the thread on gay stuff! T'weren't me, I promise!
~ OR, TO SIMPLIFY ~
Being gay does not equate to anal sex in public. Good god.
Message edited by author 2010-06-24 23:03:22. |
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06/24/2010 11:19:21 PM · #93 |
Mousie, I'm not sure you're aware that the "quote" from Ray is from HIS quoting of Wiki on attitudes towards gays in Jordan, which is where ahmadbaara is from. It was in answer to David's suggestion that ahmaad would be first in line to decapitate you...
R.
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06/25/2010 11:57:49 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Mousie, I'm not sure you're aware that the "quote" from Ray is from HIS quoting of Wiki on attitudes towards gays in Jordan, which is where ahmadbaara is from. It was in answer to David's suggestion that ahmaad would be first in line to decapitate you...
R. |
Of course I'm aware. Notice I quoted my pal David, Ray's quote is secondary. David chose to repeat only a section of Ray's quote for emphasis, the part about remaining in private. I'm pointing out how absurd that concept is. It only works if you equate being gay with a walking, talking sex act, instead of a simple state of being.
Ray then busted on David for repeating what he obviously knew, because Ray quoted it.
And then Ray challenged (baited?) my buddy David to draw a distinction between straight sex acts in public and gay sex acts in public, because from a sane point of view, they are one and the same. I've made this point as well.
So yeah, I think I pretty much got it.
I'm super excited to find out if my dear friend does as well!
Message edited by author 2010-06-25 12:07:00. |
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06/25/2010 06:20:45 PM · #95 |
Hey guys, I didn't write the Koran. (or the Jordanian laws)
And, I don't think Gays should be persecuted or denied civil union rights. Basically, Mousie and I only disagree on lifestyle and the use of the word marriage. (Of course there are other things we don't agree on concerning religion, politics, etc.....but don't we all). He seems like a nice guy and would make a good friend. :)
Message edited by author 2010-06-25 18:54:40. |
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06/30/2010 06:30:51 AM · #96 |
Some of my neighbors are Muslim. Iraqi as a matter of fact. They're about the nicest people you'd ever like to meet. They're kids are consistently well behaved, polite, and generally delightful. The other night some of the neighborhood kids were playing Ring and Dash. My door was one of the ones that got knocked on. The next day the Iraqi little girl came over and apologized. Mind you - she wasn't actually one of the ones who did it. She was apologizing for her friends' behavior. Really, I'd rather have them as neighbors that a lot of Bible banging fundies I know.
Our local Masque also shames a lot of the local churches in terms of charitable outreach. |
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06/30/2010 02:11:20 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
Really, I'd rather have them as neighbors that a lot of Bible banging fundies I know.
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Yup, know a bunch of nice Muslums. Don't know any nice Islamists. I guess they are like fundies. I've never met anyone from the Bay of Fundy. Are they that bad???? |
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06/30/2010 04:37:05 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
The OP did exactly what he wanted to do. Which is, namely, to stir the pot and then sit back and chuckle at everyone that responds.
You all gave him exactly what he wanted. Congratulations. |
And you're telling us this for what reason?
(alternate reply)
As if we didn't know.
And then you come right back and reply to the thread. Why did you even bother with your first comment?
/chuckles/
As for socialism, we need to define what it is (in this thread) because we have very different definitions of it so why continue discussing it. Some take it as fascism and others think it's evil and freedom hindering. |
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07/25/2010 11:34:17 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by David Ey:
By the way Mousie, If you lived in one of the muslim countries your head would likely be chopped off. And your friend ahmadbaarajust might be the one to chop it. |
Actually that is not quite right David as the level of tolerance varies from one country to the next. ahmadbaaraI believe lives in Jordon and you might take the time to read This , particularly that portion that states: " Jordan is one of the few countries in the Middle East where homosexuality is legal provided that it is not commercial and it is done in private."
I thought you might like to know.
Ray |
I cold live with that sexuality done in private. |
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07/26/2010 06:00:20 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Here is another you might find interesting.
//obamaism.blogspot.com/
By the way Mousie, If you lived in one of the Muslim countries your head would likely be chopped off. And your friend ahmadbaarajust might be the one to chop it. |
When i read that I wasn't really sure how to receive such a comment, but for the benefit of the doubt I'll just assume you were trying to be funny!
Jordan is a great country, America is a great country, every country in this world is great, and what makes them great are their people. I admit with no shame at all that Jordan has its flaws, it doesn't have the best human rights record, and perhaps not the most tolerable society. Why one may ask? Simply Jordan is a "developing" country, with a humble annual budget of around 11 Billion dollars, along with this small budget are its humble people who have been in the center of conflict and foreign occupation for hundreds of years making it extremely hard to keep up with modern development.(mind you half of that money is from US and European foreign aid because Jordan and the US are good friends :D)
All the rights and freedoms talked about in this forum, from the freedom of the press to Homosexuality are in essence western concepts that have developed in the past century, how in the world can one expect countries that have had a set way of life and traditions passed down from generation to generation(regardless if they are good or bad) FOR CENTURIES to change? You simply cant, it takes generations to change a culture or a way of thought.
Unfortunately to this day some people think and We Arabs , are still running around in our camels waving swords and chopping heads off, but they are oblivious to the fact that we actually have cars and malls, I mean MacDonald is a 10 minute drive from my house and there are probably over 50 branches in Jordan, not to forget Chillies, TGI Fridays, Dunkin Donuts, and so many more I can just go on forever.
In Jordanian society homosexuality is not tolerated but neither was it tolerated in the US 50 years ago, and no one can expect us to skip these 50 years overnight to become an open and tolerating society.
From the way you speak David Ey its seems you have some hatred and discontent for Muslims, well I guess that's too bad for you because there's a billion of us in the world and were not going anywhere, so deal with it. :)
for the record I have nothing against homosexuals.
Ahmad
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