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06/20/2010 06:16:15 PM · #26
So how will we do it Ellen? Everyone will work on the same topic, with more than one camera, and we see if the equipment makes a difference in how much the final results are appreciated?

Thanks.
06/20/2010 06:18:06 PM · #27
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by snaffles:

PS call me crazy, but if I remember correctly sarampo, shutter-for-hireand yours truly have all ribboned with a D90 and a Sigma 10-20mm. Just sayin.

Not sure what your point it, that's pretty good equipment. I ribboned twice with a cheap Tamron and once with the kit lens. I'm not even sure what that point was...


Not really a point, just sayin...Grog.
06/20/2010 06:29:41 PM · #28
Originally posted by mgarsteck:

my equipment (although not all that great compared to others on here) helps me take the crappy photos that I want to take...


Very nice.

Interesting little project. Problem is apertures and focal lengths (and ISO's) vary quite differently between digicams and Dslrs. One of the reasons one moves "up" to a dslr, not to be vaguely better, but to be more intense in one direction or another, and to learn how to spend a different order of money on glass.
06/20/2010 06:34:46 PM · #29
Originally posted by tnun:

Originally posted by mgarsteck:

my equipment (although not all that great compared to others on here) helps me take the crappy photos that I want to take...


Very nice.

Interesting little project. Problem is apertures and focal lengths (and ISO's) vary quite differently between digicams and Dslrs. One of the reasons one moves "up" to a dslr, not to be vaguely better, but to be more intense in one direction or another, and to learn how to spend a different order of money on glass.


I think what would be beneficial for this challenge would be to try for the same final effect. Meaning that matching the f-stop and ISO is not important but the DOF and level of noise just to name a couple of things.

Or, if shooting at an ISO that produces more noise in the digicam (likely at any ISO) then the post processing steps become more important as the final resulting images should match as close as possible.

If your camera is limiting in some way, maybe your post processing skills are overcoming these shortfalls.

Just a couple of ideas of how to approach the challenge.
06/20/2010 06:54:23 PM · #30
Ok, I agree with several of the discussion points as to how to control your shots to test the equipment, So, make some suggestions and then we can set up perimeters that we can agree on.

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by tnun:

Originally posted by mgarsteck:

my equipment (although not all that great compared to others on here) helps me take the crappy photos that I want to take...


Very nice.

Interesting little project. Problem is apertures and focal lengths (and ISO's) vary quite differently between digicams and Dslrs. One of the reasons one moves "up" to a dslr, not to be vaguely better, but to be more intense in one direction or another, and to learn how to spend a different order of money on glass.


I think what would be beneficial for this challenge would be to try for the same final effect. Meaning that matching the f-stop and ISO is not important but the DOF and level of noise just to name a couple of things.

Or, if shooting at an ISO that produces more noise in the digicam (likely at any ISO) then the post processing steps become more important as the final resulting images should match as close as possible.

If your camera is limiting in some way, maybe your post processing skills are overcoming these shortfalls.

Just a couple of ideas of how to approach the challenge.

06/20/2010 07:02:51 PM · #31
Originally posted by cowtownmom:

No that doesn't count. You sure in all your gear that you don't even have a disposable camera.

Originally posted by bergiekat:

I suck, but I'll play! If I don't have to use neat image, there might be hope on one or two shots!


I thought we had to use a P&S and our other camera...ok, never mind.
06/20/2010 09:40:44 PM · #32
I have been away from DPC for a long time but this is intriguing to me. I have a Coolpix 5400 (2004 vintage), a D70s, and my son's Fujisomething P&S to play with. I can't promise I won't fade away mid-month but I'll do my best. (And it means paying for a membership again, so that's plenty of motivation to stick with it, right? :)
06/20/2010 09:48:13 PM · #33
Just for fun, I decided to do the "Point of Color" with our S90.. We'll see how it does. :)
06/20/2010 10:38:26 PM · #34
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

I think what would be beneficial for this challenge would be to try for the same final effect. Meaning that matching the f-stop and ISO is not important but the DOF and level of noise just to name a couple of things.

Or, if shooting at an ISO that produces more noise in the digicam (likely at any ISO) then the post processing steps become more important as the final resulting images should match as close as possible.

If your camera is limiting in some way, maybe your post processing skills are overcoming these shortfalls.

Just a couple of ideas of how to approach the challenge.


I like the idea of this side challenge but I don't think I'll have time to get into it. My 2 cents FWIW, as far as parameters, how about just presenting the best image from the cameras one chooses to utilize and participants/users can critique the results. It seems a nice pic is an amalgamation of the photographers vision/creativity; the equipment (camera), and the photographers ability to maximize the equipment; and post processing.

I tried something like this last summer after Yo_Spiff's P&S SC... I'm just a hobbyist, but the "better" equipment seemed to help me get a "better" pic...
D300 vs Casio P&S
D300 vs Casio P&S
Okay don't laugh, I'm just a for fun shooter... These were taken on the same day, shot with the D300 then the Casio right after.
I haven't become an "expert" on any of my cameras and my PP skills are worse than sucky...

Message edited by author 2010-06-20 22:42:13.
06/27/2010 12:05:06 AM · #35
If the idea is to see what the differences in hardware and software bring to the table. Let's try this.

Take 2 or more pictures using different grades of cameras and lenses.
Take those images and process them as closely as you can in the same manner. Always assuming that the skill level is the same.

Then take those same photos and process them differently if you can. Use PCP vs PHotoshop, etc. Free stuff vs paid software. What are the differences.

My original idea may have a bad title. I wanted to see what my new camera and raw capabilities brought to my pictures vs the point and shoot that I was using.
06/27/2010 01:12:46 AM · #36
Originally posted by The_Tourist:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

I think what would be beneficial for this challenge would be to try for the same final effect. Meaning that matching the f-stop and ISO is not important but the DOF and level of noise just to name a couple of things.

Or, if shooting at an ISO that produces more noise in the digicam (likely at any ISO) then the post processing steps become more important as the final resulting images should match as close as possible.

If your camera is limiting in some way, maybe your post processing skills are overcoming these shortfalls.

Just a couple of ideas of how to approach the challenge.


I like the idea of this side challenge but I don't think I'll have time to get into it. My 2 cents FWIW, as far as parameters, how about just presenting the best image from the cameras one chooses to utilize and participants/users can critique the results. It seems a nice pic is an amalgamation of the photographers vision/creativity; the equipment (camera), and the photographers ability to maximize the equipment; and post processing.

I tried something like this last summer after Yo_Spiff's P&S SC... I'm just a hobbyist, but the "better" equipment seemed to help me get a "better" pic...
D300 vs Casio P&S
D300 vs Casio P&S
Okay don't laugh, I'm just a for fun shooter... These were taken on the same day, shot with the D300 then the Casio right after.
I haven't become an "expert" on any of my cameras and my PP skills are worse than sucky...


That's funny... You may not realize it, but although the technical quality of the Casio images are lower, the actual quality of the shots (composition, subjects, etc..) is much, much better in both Casio shots...

Message edited by author 2010-06-27 01:13:14.
06/27/2010 02:19:34 AM · #37
Originally posted by coryboehne:

That's funny... You may not realize it, but although the technical quality of the Casio images are lower, the actual quality of the shots (composition, subjects, etc..) is much, much better in both Casio shots...


Interesting. I might agree with you on the sunset pic; but i prefer the DSLR pic on the sand ripple one... but that's just me.
06/27/2010 04:08:05 AM · #38
Originally posted by The_Tourist:

Originally posted by coryboehne:

That's funny... You may not realize it, but although the technical quality of the Casio images are lower, the actual quality of the shots (composition, subjects, etc..) is much, much better in both Casio shots...


Interesting. I might agree with you on the sunset pic; but i prefer the DSLR pic on the sand ripple one... but that's just me.


The inclusion of a human in the P&S image adds much a much needed scale reference and adds that critical bit of impact...
07/03/2010 11:26:14 PM · #39
For Anyone who wants to participate, post your shots in Gear Up,

I look forward to watching all the picts over the month. I'm seriously thinking about maybe doing 2 shots. One extreme challenge shot, such as a night shot which will really challenge the point and shoot camera and then another shot that I like.

Any ideas guys?

Message edited by author 2010-07-03 23:26:33.
07/04/2010 07:37:29 PM · #40
Just an observation from someone who is also just learning. Based on my limited experienced with PS, and using some of the amazing filters out there (Topaz, Silver Efex, etc.), I believe it is possible to make a decent image captured by almost any type of camera. Yes, composition and all that is important, but I'm no longer convinced that it's the equipment so much (but is that going to stop me from buying it?....NO!).
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