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Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

05/26/2010 12:48:34 PM · #1

Ive been noticing how well the 7d performs since a friend of mine has purchased one.
The real question is, why would I choose the 1d m4 over the 7d?

I definitely like the fps both offers, the 2 fps difference doesnt bother me.
also the 7d shutter seems to be quieter.

I shoot a lot of hdr and now I have been doing a lot of model photography.
also, what is the noise comparison?

Can anyone help

jeger

Canon EOS-5D

05/26/2010 12:52:19 PM · #2

This link might help:

//www.dpreview.com/reviews/sidebyside.asp

smardaz

05/26/2010 12:53:21 PM · #3

unless my memory is wrong the 7d is NOT full frame, that might be one big factor

Message edited by author 2010-05-26 12:53:46.

MattO

Nikon D4

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

05/26/2010 01:00:08 PM · #4

Originally posted by smardaz:

unless my memory is wrong the 7d is NOT full frame, that might be one big factor

Neither is the 1DMKIV it's an APS-H sensor.

IMHO having shot with both they aren't even in the same category as far as to compare them. 18MP is too many MP on a 1.6 crop sensor and in reality so is 16 on a 1.3X crop. I'd prefer 14MP on mine for better noise control and it's pretty good now. The 1 series body and build are far superior to anything else in Canons line up, as is the AF capabilities. 2FPS does make a difference in capturing peak moment in sports, I've missed shots at 8FPS and got them at 10FPS. The shutter is quieter on the 7D, but it's also not nearly as robust or rated for the number of clicks that a 1 series is. At twice the price maybe it's a non issue, but before I bought a 7D I'd consider a 1DMKIII that has been through the fixes and buy it over a 7D.

Matt

smardaz

05/26/2010 01:02:47 PM · #5

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by smardaz:
unless my memory is wrong the 7d is NOT full frame, that might be one big factor

Neither is the 1DMKIV it's an APS-H sensor.

IMHO having shot with both they aren't even in the same category as far as to compare them. 18MP is too many MP on a 1.6 crop sensor and in reality so is 16 on a 1.3X crop. I'd prefer 14MP on mine for better noise control and it's pretty good now. The 1 series body and build are far superior to anything else in Canons line up, as is the AF capabilities. 2FPS does make a difference in capturing peak moment in sports, I've missed shots at 8FPS and got them at 10FPS. The shutter is quieter on the 7D, but it's also not nearly as robust or rated for the number of clicks that a 1 series is. At twice the price maybe it's a non issue, but before I bought a 7D I'd consider a 1DMKIII that has been through the fixes and buy it over a 7D.

Matt

Thanks Matt, I had just assumed that any Canon with "1" at the beginning of the model name was full frame...

MattO

Nikon D4

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

05/26/2010 01:14:32 PM · #6

Originally posted by smardaz:

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by smardaz:
unless my memory is wrong the 7d is NOT full frame, that might be one big factor

Neither is the 1DMKIV it's an APS-H sensor.

IMHO having shot with both they aren't even in the same category as far as to compare them. 18MP is too many MP on a 1.6 crop sensor and in reality so is 16 on a 1.3X crop. I'd prefer 14MP on mine for better noise control and it's pretty good now. The 1 series body and build are far superior to anything else in Canons line up, as is the AF capabilities. 2FPS does make a difference in capturing peak moment in sports, I've missed shots at 8FPS and got them at 10FPS. The shutter is quieter on the 7D, but it's also not nearly as robust or rated for the number of clicks that a 1 series is. At twice the price maybe it's a non issue, but before I bought a 7D I'd consider a 1DMKIII that has been through the fixes and buy it over a 7D.

Matt

Thanks Matt, I had just assumed that any Canon with "1" at the beginning of the model name was full frame...

Only the 1Ds series is full frame and of course the 5D series. Confusing but in reality I like the 1.3 for my sports cameras. For portraits and everyday photos I prefer full frame, which is why I just sold my back up 1 series and bought a 5D as a compromise to get full frame again. I'd rather it be a 1DsMKIII but the $$$ isn't justified. :D

Jedusi

05/26/2010 02:17:41 PM · #7

I saw an interesting snippet the other day ( may have been the canon Rumour site) where they suggested buying a 1D mkIII instead of a 7D as they reckoned it was noticably higher IQ and getting cheaper all the time.

In fact the person had actually reverted from their 1 D mk IV back to their 1D mk III as they were happy enough with the MK III and would rather thave the extra money - so it's certainly something worth considering ? It splits the price difference quite nicely.

MattO

Nikon D4

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

05/26/2010 02:34:54 PM · #8

Originally posted by Jedusi:

The guy who runs the Canon Rumors(Craig) site just sold his 1DMKIV and bought MY 1DMKIII from me in exchange for his 5DMKII. So it may have been him that put that on there. :D

Jedusi

05/26/2010 03:29:09 PM · #9

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by Jedusi:
I saw an interesting snippet the other day ( may have been the canon Rumour site) where they suggested buying a 1D mkIII instead of a 7D as they reckoned it was noticably higher IQ and getting cheaper all the time.

In fact the person had actually reverted from their 1 D mk IV back to their 1D mk III as they were happy enough with the MK III and would rather thave the extra money - so it's certainly something worth considering ? It splits the price difference quite nicely.

The guy who runs the Canon Rumors(Craig) site just sold his 1DMKIV and bought MY 1DMKIII from me in exchange for his 5DMKII. So it may have been him that put that on there. :D

Hey - small world !!

:-)

mgarsteck

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

05/26/2010 04:23:10 PM · #10

maybe I should just wait for a full frame sensor that has more fps than what is available now.

photodude

05/26/2010 05:34:09 PM · #11

I was seriously considering moving to a 7D. The only reason for an upgrade in my mind is lower noise - the ability to move the ISO up a few stops, as my 30D has a practical limit of 400. I figured the 7D would be good to 1600. Then i saw this. 7 D Review The pictures toward the bottom don't lie. Clearly the 7D photos at 1600 are not acceptable. In fact while the 5DII is clearly at the top of the class, except for that body, Canon clearly doesnt get it and Nikon does. Look at the 7D next to the D300S, both crop sensors. What a disappointment.

Jedusi

05/27/2010 12:29:13 PM · #12

Originally posted by mgarsteck:

maybe I should just wait for a full frame sensor that has more fps than what is available now.

Actually a 5D mk III (or whatever) with decent FPS and decent a spread of AF points would probably be a winner.

I was torn between the AF + fps of the 1D III and the body size/weight and FF of the 5D II.

For me the 1D III edged it - but I would really the best of both worlds and it shouldn't be that tricky. I think maybe Canon need to wake up a bit.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM II

05/27/2010 12:44:32 PM · #13

Originally posted by photodude:

The pictures may not also tell the whole story. If these were shot in raw and converted with ACR, there will be more noise. Canon's DPP supposedly does a much better job at keeping the noise to a minimum and so does the latest version of Lightroom (latest beta). I don't know if the ACR converter in CS5 is updated yet.

PhotoDave

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

05/27/2010 03:01:10 PM · #14

Originally posted by photodude:

[sarcasm]
Yea I hear ya about the unacceptable ISO1600 on the 7D, even this photo shot at ISO3200

is completely unacceptable and couldnt be used for anything serious anyway, maybe if I actually used some noise reduction on it it could have been better but I just edited it in LightRoom and submitted it...
[/sarcasm]

photodude

05/27/2010 04:46:40 PM · #15

Originally posted by Ken:

Originally posted by photodude:
I was seriously considering moving to a 7D. The only reason for an upgrade in my mind is lower noise - the ability to move the ISO up a few stops, as my 30D has a practical limit of 400. I figured the 7D would be good to 1600. Then i saw this. 7 D Review The pictures toward the bottom don't lie. Clearly the 7D photos at 1600 are not acceptable. In fact while the 5DII is clearly at the top of the class, except for that body, Canon clearly doesnt get it and Nikon does. Look at the 7D next to the D300S, both crop sensors. What a disappointment.

The pictures may not also tell the whole story. If these were shot in raw and converted with ACR, there will be more noise. Canon's DPP supposedly does a much better job at keeping the noise to a minimum and so does the latest version of Lightroom (latest beta). I don't know if the ACR converter in CS5 is updated yet.

Its a comparison test. I would assume that all of the images were processed in the same manner. The 7D is clearly at the bottom of the class. I realize thatlow noise is not everyones most important attribute. The test probably predates CS5, and I don't know anyone who uses Canon's software. And any noise reduction software no matter how good is still a compromise on image quality. I would like a camera that can shoot with low noise at 1600 ISO (without having to spend $2300+) - are you listening Canon?

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

05/27/2010 04:50:23 PM · #16

Originally posted by photodude:

Originally posted by Ken:

Originally posted by photodude:
I was seriously considering moving to a 7D. The only reason for an upgrade in my mind is lower noise - the ability to move the ISO up a few stops, as my 30D has a practical limit of 400. I figured the 7D would be good to 1600. Then i saw this. 7 D Review The pictures toward the bottom don't lie. Clearly the 7D photos at 1600 are not acceptable. In fact while the 5DII is clearly at the top of the class, except for that body, Canon clearly doesnt get it and Nikon does. Look at the 7D next to the D300S, both crop sensors. What a disappointment.

The pictures may not also tell the whole story. If these were shot in raw and converted with ACR, there will be more noise. Canon's DPP supposedly does a much better job at keeping the noise to a minimum and so does the latest version of Lightroom (latest beta). I don't know if the ACR converter in CS5 is updated yet.

Its a comparison test. I would assume that all of the images were processed in the same manner. The 7D is clearly at the bottom of the class. I realize thatlow noise is not everyones most important attribute. The test probably predates CS5, and I don't know anyone who uses Canon's software. And any noise reduction software no matter how good is still a compromise on image quality. I would like a camera that can shoot with low noise at 1600 ISO (without having to spend $2300+) - are you listening Canon?

I would assume same that they were processed in same manner also. But if CS4 with older ACR was used and it makes the noise look worse, that's dinging the 7D for no good reason. That would be an Adobe issue, not a camera issue.

I actually use CPP to browse photos - it's much quicker than anything else I have. I'll usually then bring them up in ACR for conversion unless noise is becoming an issue. In that case I'll save to tiff and bring up in ACR.

Message edited by author 2010-05-27 16:56:38.

FrankRobinson

Canon EOS-50D

05/27/2010 04:53:39 PM · #17

I use Canon's software. I guess you don't really 'know' me, but that's one. Actually now I have got used to it I prefer it to PS.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM II

05/27/2010 04:57:16 PM · #18

Originally posted by FrankRobinson:

I use Canon's software. I guess you don't really 'know' me, but that's one. Actually now I have got used to it I prefer it to PS.

And unfortunately it doesn't do very much beyond the very basic stuff.

PhotoDave

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

05/27/2010 05:00:37 PM · #19

I use what ever software suits my needs at the time, be it LightRoom, ACR, DPP...

FrankRobinson

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

05/27/2010 05:00:58 PM · #20

It doesn't need to - call me old fashioned but I prefer to try and take a photo that doesn't need too much 'done' to it... ;o)

JaimeVinas

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

05/27/2010 05:08:05 PM · #21

Ive used my 1D MK4 and I dont see any significant noise in a photo until I shoot at 12600 ISO. But as I get some more experience with it, I will know better.

Ive been shooting on Auto ISO and it has been working nicely.