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05/20/2010 03:56:22 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Upon an unfavorable launch attempt and aggressive opposition by some members, this thread and award is being abandoned until further notice.
Thanks to all for your interest here, and to those who saw a positive vibe in the effort and suggested ways for improvement.
P.S. NikonJeb: There was no need to use the words that you did ('How dare you') without making an effort to understand the award's intentions. You have some valid arguments, but they won't be received as intended with the tone that you carry. It would be more helpful if a senior member like you rather offered constructive solutions. You know what I mean? |
Love that classy retraction.. |
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05/20/2010 04:02:23 AM · #27 |
I think  prash had good intentions but if your going to start this type of award it needs a lot more research and thought before you can go public with it.
Message edited by author 2010-05-20 04:02:33. |
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05/20/2010 06:31:28 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Prash:
P.S. NikonJeb: There was no need to use the words that you did ('How dare you') without making an effort to understand the award's intentions. You have some valid arguments, but they won't be received as intended with the tone that you carry. It would be more helpful if a senior member like you rather offered constructive solutions. You know what I mean? |
I get tired of people who think they know more than the next guy deciding they should elect themselves officials of the voting & commenting process because they want to impose their set of values onto the process.
You worry about how you vote. Do it honestly, and with decency, and let the next person vote however he/she sees fit. It's not the responsibility of you or any other person to tell me or anyone else how to vote or comment.
Look back at all the threads on commenting......thread after thread of people bitching about the number, and type of comments. If someone was hired to collate the data, I'll bet you'd find that commenting in order to accomodate the various ways that commenting has been griped about would cover virtually every style of comment. No comment would be acceptable.
Then there's the voting process......trolls, trolls, TROLLS!!!!!
Yet who ever bitches about those undeserved 9s & 10s? NEVER happens!
And still people feel obliged to gripe about the votes they get. Why? You submit your entry, and it gets what it gets. Griping won't change it, it hasn't in umpteen years, and why should it? How can you possibly gauge your growth, or figure out whether or not you've conveyed your message, if not for the reaction/response that you get to your image?
You tell me to be constructive, not to bust your chops because you had good intentions.......well, I put it to you, sir, that had you not tried to be another imposing your ideals onto a system that works, nothing would have been said to you. What difference does the intent make if the idea is destructive when put forth in such a manner as to call out and embarrass the members? Who asked you to do this in the first place?
You screw up like this, and put forth what ends up being a really poorly thought out plan and someone is going to call you on it. Take your lumps if you put forth a brick, just like you should learn how to accept the voting the way it is. Maybe you shouldn't try to fix something that works just because YOU think it's broken.
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05/20/2010 07:37:25 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Prash:
P.S. NikonJeb: There was no need to use the words that you did ('How dare you') without making an effort to understand the award's intentions. You have some valid arguments, but they won't be received as intended with the tone that you carry. It would be more helpful if a senior member like you rather offered constructive solutions. You know what I mean? |
I get tired of people who think they know more than the next guy deciding they should elect themselves officials of the voting & commenting process because they want to impose their set of values onto the process.
You worry about how you vote. Do it honestly, and with decency, and let the next person vote however he/she sees fit. It's not the responsibility of you or any other person to tell me or anyone else how to vote or comment.
Look back at all the threads on commenting......thread after thread of people bitching about the number, and type of comments. If someone was hired to collate the data, I'll bet you'd find that commenting in order to accomodate the various ways that commenting has been griped about would cover virtually every style of comment. No comment would be acceptable.
Then there's the voting process......trolls, trolls, TROLLS!!!!!
Yet who ever bitches about those undeserved 9s & 10s? NEVER happens!
And still people feel obliged to gripe about the votes they get. Why? You submit your entry, and it gets what it gets. Griping won't change it, it hasn't in umpteen years, and why should it? How can you possibly gauge your growth, or figure out whether or not you've conveyed your message, if not for the reaction/response that you get to your image?
You tell me to be constructive, not to bust your chops because you had good intentions.......well, I put it to you, sir, that had you not tried to be another imposing your ideals onto a system that works, nothing would have been said to you. What difference does the intent make if the idea is destructive when put forth in such a manner as to call out and embarrass the members? Who asked you to do this in the first place?
You screw up like this, and put forth what ends up being a really poorly thought out plan and someone is going to call you on it. Take your lumps if you put forth a brick, just like you should learn how to accept the voting the way it is. Maybe you shouldn't try to fix something that works just because YOU think it's broken. |
Jeb, Prash has a point. While the suggestion may have been poorly conceived, it's also quite clear it was well-intentioned.
Based on Prash's responses here, I'm sure that approaching him and making your points calmly and politely would have been all that was needed to make him realize this and have him put the idea on-hold. The bad-faith assumptions were completely unnecessary, as was the attacking tone. Anyone who is trying to contribute to the community in a positive way deserves to be treated with the utmost courtesy and respect.
~Terry
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05/20/2010 09:16:52 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Anyone who is trying to contribute to the community in a positive way deserves to be treated with the utmost courtesy and respect. |
Even if it results in members being called out and embarrassed by a completely flawed premise?
Got it!
How about a little accountability here for a major faux pas?
Why do the intentions matter if it results in someone who had no interest or involvement in the issue/thread having their voting stats called out and used in an inappropriate manner? I'm sorry that you don't like the way I've addressed it, but I'm here calling out a bad thing with someone who offered up his idea for scrutiny. The idea was VERY poorly put forth, people who were NOT involved, who did NOT ask for their voting practices to be questioned, had exactly that happen to them.
Where were you, as a member of SC when that was happening?
Don't talk to me about courtesy and respect when there was no thought to the consequences of how this ill-conceived notion was put forth.
"Oh, I accidentally made you look like a heartless cad, but it's okay 'cause I meant well."
NOT okay, I *seriously* call Bullsh*t!
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05/20/2010 09:30:36 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
.... NOT okay, I *seriously* call Bullsh*t! |
Jeb, that part about "making your points calmly and politely" and "The bad-faith assumptions were completely unnecessary, as was the attacking tone" applies to responding to Site Council, too. :-p
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05/20/2010 09:34:16 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
.... NOT okay, I *seriously* call Bullsh*t! |
Originally posted by citymars:
Jeb, that part about "making your points calmly and politely" and "The bad-faith assumptions were completely unnecessary, as was the attacking tone" applies to responding to Site Council, too. :-p |
PLEASE read what I said.....I'm not making a bad faith assumption. I stated that though well-intentioned, the original premise had disastrous results.
Were there not people called out by name for their voting avearge "discrepancies"?
That's wrong.
Here's a point I put forth to all of you.....
This is attempting to influence the voters. You wanna talk to ME about protocol????
ETA: NONE of this would be an issue if people would stop telling others how to vote & comment.
Message edited by author 2010-05-20 09:36:03.
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05/20/2010 09:57:05 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Upon an unfavorable launch attempt and aggressive opposition by some members, this thread and award is being abandoned until further notice.
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I think it's clear that Prash has realized his brashness and he's rethinking his award rules.
Beatles said it best Jeb. Let it be. :)
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05/20/2010 10:28:21 AM · #34 |
The list lasted for a grand total of 28 minutes. It's over, people. There's nothing more to see here. Go home. :)
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05/20/2010 10:33:34 AM · #35 |
Can we give an award to Prash now for "Best Good Intentions Gone Awry?"
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05/20/2010 06:00:55 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Anyone who is trying to contribute to the community in a positive way deserves to be treated with the utmost courtesy and respect. |
Even if it results in members being called out and embarrassed by a completely flawed premise? |
I don't see how you were "called out and embarrassed". Though I dispute the premise, many users here consider a higher average vote cast than received to be a GOOD thing. It's certainly the opposite of trollish.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Got it!
How about a little accountability here for a major faux pas? |
As it happens, I first saw this thread because someone reported it (something that you, for whatever reason, elected not to do). While I can only surmise the content of the now-deleted list from the posts that followed, I can't imagine there would have been a need to do more than to delete the offending content. Given that the OP has already done that, and apologized multiple times to boot, I don't see what additional action on Site Council's part would be appropriate. What do YOU think would be appropriate?
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Why do the intentions matter if it results in someone who had no interest or involvement in the issue/thread having their voting stats called out and used in an inappropriate manner? I'm sorry that you don't like the way I've addressed it, but I'm here calling out a bad thing with someone who offered up his idea for scrutiny. The idea was VERY poorly put forth, people who were NOT involved, who did NOT ask for their voting practices to be questioned, had exactly that happen to them. |
Did you report the post? Calling out or attacking the user is an explicit violation of the forum rules, and in my opinion, equally inappropriate.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Where were you, as a member of SC when that was happening? |
Working until 10:00 PM, at which point I went home and went straight to bed. I saw the post this morning when I woke up and responded promptly. If you want a faster response from Site Council, then please report the post and give us a fighting chance.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Don't talk to me about courtesy and respect when there was no thought to the consequences of how this ill-conceived notion was put forth.
"Oh, I accidentally made you look like a heartless cad, but it's okay 'cause I meant well."
NOT okay, I *seriously* call Bullsh*t! |
You must be a lucky person indeed if you have never accidentally made someone else look bad. If you have, or if you do, I hope the person accidentally wrong is more gracious and understanding than you have been here.
We're human. Mistakes happen. Forgiveness is a wonderful thing.
~Terry
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05/20/2010 06:41:09 PM · #37 |
Dear All:
This thread is now closed for any award specific discussions from my side (the OP). It was an effort in good intentions that was executed badly.
Thank you for visiting here. Thank you for everyone that supported the effort, for those who didn't support it BUT suggested improvements, and for those who wrongly assumed that this was a rant thread, and heroically took their saws out in a second in defense;-)
Dear SC: I request this thread to be closed please to avoid any further distractions. I do not have the energy or the time to engage in endless debates esp. when there is an already acknowledged fundamental disagreement.
Happy imaging!
[Prash]
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