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 05/02/2010 09:04:41 AM · #26
In the B&W challenge we have the photos that were given a 1.00 and never from that point had a honest chance to acheive any great hights.

Now we have a thread discussing how the voting is going to take place because of the way an individual see's the challenge.

What happened to the Photgraphic talent of people, or has this been put aside.

There are many that read these threads and are followers rather than individuals.
 05/02/2010 09:20:17 AM · #27
Originally posted by BrianR:
Now we have a thread discussing how the voting is going to take place because of the way an individual see's the challenge.

What happened to the Photgraphic talent of people, or has this been put aside.

There are many that read these threads and are followers rather than individuals.


You know, I see this point being raised all the time, and I'd like to offer a different perspective.

For the sake of argument, let's hypothesize about a challenge that can be seen exactly two ways. For this challenge, it follows that some people will see it the first way, some will see it the second way, and some will be willing to see it either way, right?

Now let's hypothesize a thread, like this one, where some people defend the first interpretation, some the second interpretation, and some the all-inclusive approach.

Now, without this hypothetical thread all the A voters would have voted A up and B down, pretty much. And the B voters would have thumbed their noses at A. And the eyes-wide-open crowd would have voted inclusively. This is pretty obvious, right?

But since the thread actually exists, what's the likely effect of the thread, if any? It's not likely to convert many A's to B's or B's to A's, and even to the extent that it does, the conversions will probably flow both ways and cancel each other out. But what it IS likely to do is to convince a certain number of A or B voters to become a little more willing to accept as valid alternative interpretations of the topic.

That's a good thing, isn't it? I fail to see how threads like this are in any way harmful. I think it's very useful for people to be exposed to a variety of viewpoints on the challenge, before the challenge actually closes.

R.
 05/02/2010 09:53:44 AM · #28
Originally posted by BrianR:
In the B&W challenge we have the photos that were given a 1.00 and never from that point had a honest chance to acheive any great hights.


...and this would differ from other challenges how? There exist countless numbers of examples where quality images were given 1 scores and there is nothing we can do about that. Truth be told, there do exist some rather harsh scorers on this site, and some of them are very good photographers, and working on the premise that they are consistent, I have absolutely no problem with the way they vote...it is their right and they can vote as they please.

Originally posted by BrianR:
Now we have a thread discussing how the voting is going to take place because of the way an individual see's the challenge.

What happened to the Photgraphic talent of people, or has this been put aside.

There are many that read these threads and are followers rather than individuals.


...and again I have no problems with the emergence of threads like this one. Without discussion, there exists absolutely no possibility of offering opposing views. It is only through venues such as these that one can ever hope to appreciate the viewpoints of others and engage in a healthy exchange of views, opinions and counterpoints, all of which all healthy forms of interaction.

Lastly, venues of this sort often mirror society as a whole, and it has been my experience that the vast majority of society that is not informed do exactly what you address in your last sentence... they follow. Would you not prefer having a group of informed individuals with an array of choices to someone following blindly... something to ponder.

Ray
 05/02/2010 10:49:16 AM · #29
Originally posted by BrianR:
In the B&W challenge we have the photos that were given a 1.00 and never from that point had a honest chance to acheive any great hights.


First of all, to set your mind at ease -- when you receive a 1, you can still achieve great heights. In looking at some of my own shots, I've had a shot that scored:

6.58 and received a 3rd place ribbon -- I received two 1s.
6.9 and 4th place HM -- I received one 1.
6.7 and received 5th place HM -- I received two 1s.

05/02/2010 11:49:20 AM · #30
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by BrianR:
In the B&W challenge we have the photos that were given a 1.00 and never from that point had a honest chance to acheive any great hights.


First of all, to set your mind at ease -- when you receive a 1, you can still achieve great heights. In looking at some of my own shots, I've had a shot that scored:

6.58 and received a 3rd place ribbon -- I received two 1s.
6.9 and 4th place HM -- I received one 1.
6.7 and received 5th place HM -- I received two 1s.


Yes you do receive a 1 during voting, but I am talking about receiving a 1 for your first vote, is this a true indication of the value of this photo. In my case it took 130 votes to reach 5.0 which means there had to be a number of higher votes. Had this photo started at one of the higher votes it would not be so demoralising for the photographer.
 05/02/2010 12:13:37 PM · #31
Originally posted by BrianR:
Yes you do receive a 1 during voting, but I am talking about receiving a 1 for your first vote, is this a true indication of the value of this photo. In my case it took 130 votes to reach 5.0 which means there had to be a number of higher votes. Had this photo started at one of the higher votes it would not be so demoralising for the photographer.


Well, statistically that's obviously irrelevant. If you're saying that *emotionally* it's better to receive your 1 votes later, I'm not so sure I agree. I get more upset by 1-votes on my image when I'm running a decent score than I do on a run-of-the-mill image, so I'd just as soon get my 1's at the outset then climb as high as i can from there :-)

R.
 05/02/2010 12:34:48 PM · #32
I don't see the relevance of when a vote comes in, because it has no influence on the votes that come after. Except for the perspective of the photographer watching the votes come in (obsessive clicks on the update button) the average score is relatively unchanged past 20 votes.

I guess I just don't see any worthwhile linkage to the votes as they come in and the emotional response of a photographer. With a world filled with individuals, low votes are inevitable.

Originally posted by BrianR:
Had this photo started at one of the higher votes it would not be so demoralising for the photographer.


Message edited by author 2010-05-02 12:36:23.
 05/02/2010 12:44:06 PM · #33
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by BrianR:
Yes you do receive a 1 during voting, but I am talking about receiving a 1 for your first vote, is this a true indication of the value of this photo. In my case it took 130 votes to reach 5.0 which means there had to be a number of higher votes. Had this photo started at one of the higher votes it would not be so demoralising for the photographer.


Well, statistically that's obviously irrelevant. If you're saying that *emotionally* it's better to receive your 1 votes later, I'm not so sure I agree. I get more upset by 1-votes on my image when I'm running a decent score than I do on a run-of-the-mill image, so I'd just as soon get my 1's at the outset then climb as high as i can from there :-)

R.


How do you vote on an image in this contest??
If the image of a poster is well. it will not be rejected so a high score will not be a rejected poster!
 05/02/2010 12:49:46 PM · #34
Originally posted by whiterook:

How do you vote on an image in this contest??
If the image of a poster is well. it will not be rejected so a high score will not be a rejected poster!


Don't think of it of a poster being rejected because it is bad, more that it is unsuitable.
 05/02/2010 12:58:03 PM · #35
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by whiterook:

How do you vote on an image in this contest??
If the image of a poster is well. it will not be rejected so a high score will not be a rejected poster!


Don't think of it of a poster being rejected because it is bad, more that it is unsuitable.


I wonder if everybody thinks that or knows.... Heh - "I know. You know I know. I know you know I know, we know that Henry knows, and Henry knows we know it. We̢۪re a knowledgeable family." - Geoffrey, Lion In Winter
 05/07/2010 06:02:22 AM · #36
Just had a look at this challenge - don't really know what you guys are arguing about - but I think this is the most creative challenge to come along for a while.
Serious or humorous - I think the quality of this one is very high. Regardless of place or score I think most (if not all) could be very proud of their efforts here.
The best I've seen (overall) in a while.
 05/07/2010 06:09:19 AM · #37
Originally posted by Tajhad:
Just had a look at this challenge - don't really know what you guys are arguing about - but I think this is the most creative challenge to come along for a while.
Serious or humorous - I think the quality of this one is very high. Regardless of place or score I think most (if not all) could be very proud of their efforts here.
The best I've seen (overall) in a while.


Proud of my efforts....NOT proud of my score.
 05/07/2010 06:46:16 AM · #38
Originally posted by Tajhad:
Just had a look at this challenge - don't really know what you guys are arguing about - but I think this is the most creative challenge to come along for a while.
Serious or humorous - I think the quality of this one is very high. Regardless of place or score I think most (if not all) could be very proud of their efforts here.
The best I've seen (overall) in a while.


Agreed.

I gave several 10's while voting, and picked up a few favourites as well. Amazing entries.
 05/07/2010 06:58:28 AM · #39
I wish we had a challenge like this at least once a month - I was very impressed.

Stats: You have rated 215 of 215 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 7.1302.
 05/07/2010 07:21:20 AM · #40
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Originally posted by Tajhad:
Just had a look at this challenge - don't really know what you guys are arguing about - but I think this is the most creative challenge to come along for a while.
Serious or humorous - I think the quality of this one is very high. Regardless of place or score I think most (if not all) could be very proud of their efforts here.
The best I've seen (overall) in a while.


Agreed.

I gave several 10's while voting, and picked up a few favourites as well. Amazing entries.


ditto I gave out 18 tens a lot of nine
 05/07/2010 08:23:35 AM · #41
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by whiterook:

How do you vote on an image in this contest??
If the image of a poster is well. it will not be rejected so a high score will not be a rejected poster!


Don't think of it of a poster being rejected because it is bad, more that it is unsuitable.


Exactly! I'm very happy with my 10 comments and a score in the 6.xxx range : )
 05/07/2010 08:55:21 AM · #42
Originally posted by Beetle:
I wish we had a challenge like this at least once a month - I was very impressed.

Nooooooo !!
It takes too much time !
But ok, yes it's fun :D
 05/07/2010 09:04:36 AM · #43
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by whiterook:

How do you vote on an image in this contest??
If the image of a poster is well. it will not be rejected so a high score will not be a rejected poster!


Don't think of it of a poster being rejected because it is bad, more that it is unsuitable.


Yeah I was thinking along the lines of an "alternative" poster, it could simply be rejected because the real one is better. I obviously misunderstood the challenge based on my score though lol
 05/07/2010 10:02:50 AM · #44
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by whiterook:

How do you vote on an image in this contest??
If the image of a poster is well. it will not be rejected so a high score will not be a rejected poster!


Don't think of it of a poster being rejected because it is bad, more that it is unsuitable.


I had also thought of it as being about posters for rejected movies: I'd considered doing an entry on the theme of "Honey, I Blew Up The Kids," but thought that might be too tasteless.
 08/01/2010 02:44:50 PM · #45
How do you vote on an image in this contest??
 08/01/2010 02:48:04 PM · #46
Originally posted by melmartinez01:
How do you vote on an image in this contest??


Voting is only open for a period of one week after submission.
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