What can be used as "Texture" and what cannot?

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

04/27/2010 01:53:14 PM · #1

I've never used a texture layer before...it's allowed in the Expert Editing ruleset, but I'm uncertain what can be used legally and what cannot.

For example when I look in the "Texture" gallery here on DPC I find the following:

1)

Both of these are photographs. Are they both legal to use as "texture"? At what point would they NOT be considered texture anymore - i.e. 10% opacity, 20% opacity, etc...?

Thanks. This is clear as mud to me.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

04/27/2010 01:55:08 PM · #2

ANY image can be used as a texture. It's *how* you use it that differentiates an "image" from a "texture" in the context of your finished piece.

R.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

04/27/2010 01:57:13 PM · #3

so is it the opacity that makes the difference?

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

04/27/2010 01:59:25 PM · #4

Originally posted by Ja-9:

so is it the opacity that makes the difference?

Pretty much. At 100% opacity, it's a picture. At 10% no more than an impression. Though I'm sure there is no magic number, it would depend on how dark or light the picture you're overlaying it on is.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

04/27/2010 02:02:15 PM · #5

As long as they were all taken during the challenge dates, you can combine photographs in Expert, so it doesn't matter.

04/27/2010 02:03:46 PM · #6

But for ones that weren't taken for the challenge, my understanding is that they cannot be "compositional elements" in the finished piece. At least that's the way I remember it from another thread.

04/27/2010 02:04:08 PM · #7

so for the current challenge of being able to use up to 7 originals (all taken in the challenge wk) we can then add textures (pictures) with reduced opacity (of course)

or are you taking the 7 originals and using parts of them (masking) then combining them into one original then adding texture(s)?

I can see where this is going to get very dicey...

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

04/27/2010 02:04:14 PM · #8

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

But for ones that weren't taken for the challenge, my understanding is that they cannot be "compositional elements" in the finished piece. At least that's the way I remember it from another thread.

Exactly!

In the Expert Editing ruleset it states "You may: use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules."

ETA - rule quote.

Message edited by author 2010-04-27 14:06:49.

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

04/27/2010 02:10:28 PM · #9

Here's another quick question, what about brushes?

On this image, which I did for a side challenge, it was a picture overlayed with an image from the textures library & a blank layer which I used a butterfly brush on then overlayed that. Would that layer be legal?

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

04/27/2010 02:12:05 PM · #10

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Why reduced opacity for the texture? Why not just change the blending mode or any number of other things? As long as it can't be perceived as a compositional element then it should be fine.

04/27/2010 02:15:06 PM · #11

Originally posted by Kelli:

Here's another quick question, what about brushes? On this image, which I did for a side challenge, it was a picture overlayed with an image from the textures library & a blank layer which I used a butterfly brush on then overlayed that. Would that layer be legal?

looks like a compositional element to me, but I am not SC.

rooum

04/27/2010 02:17:25 PM · #12

Originally posted by Ja-9:

so for the current challenge of being able to use up to 7 originals (all taken in the challenge wk)

What's this about only being able to use up to 7? I missed that. Can't see it mentioned in the Expert rules.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

04/27/2010 02:20:28 PM · #13

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
so for the current challenge of being able to use up to 7 originals (all taken in the challenge wk)

What's this about only being able to use up to 7? I missed that. Can't see it mentioned in the Expert rules.

Me either. I was planning on finishing in the top 5 and having the SC validate 312 photos.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

04/27/2010 02:22:09 PM · #14

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
so for the current challenge of being able to use up to 7 originals (all taken in the challenge wk)

What's this about only being able to use up to 7? I missed that. Can't see it mentioned in the Expert rules.

Me either. I was planning on finishing in the top 5 and having the SC validate 312 photos.

There's a limit in advanced for the number of images you can combine but there is no limit mentioned in the expert rules. Is it in the challenge description? I didn't check there. ...... Yet.

It's now Yet. No restriction in the challenge description either.

Message edited by author 2010-04-27 14:23:01.

04/27/2010 02:23:58 PM · #15

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

wrong set of rules...sorry I was thinking about the Advanced Rules

You must:

create your entry from 1-10 captures of a single scene (defined as a scene whose composition/framing does not change). All captures used must be shot within the challenge submission dates.

I just thought it applied to the Expert Editing...my mistake

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

04/27/2010 02:24:40 PM · #16

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

oh...that's funny

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

04/27/2010 02:27:55 PM · #17

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
so for the current challenge of being able to use up to 7 originals (all taken in the challenge wk)

What's this about only being able to use up to 7? I missed that. Can't see it mentioned in the Expert rules.

Me either. I was planning on finishing in the top 5 and having the SC validate 312 photos.

oh...that's funny

It won't be so funny next July when we finally get around to DQing the photo ... ;-)

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

04/27/2010 02:29:25 PM · #18

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

It's now Yet.

LOL!

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

04/27/2010 02:32:33 PM · #19

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
so for the current challenge of being able to use up to 7 originals (all taken in the challenge wk)

What's this about only being able to use up to 7? I missed that. Can't see it mentioned in the Expert rules.

Me either. I was planning on finishing in the top 5 and having the SC validate 312 photos.

oh...that's funny

It won't be so funny next July when we finally get around to DQing the photo ... ;-)

That's when you find out that IMG_0247.CR2 is actually a photo of a photo, violating the literal artwork rule. But by then, I will be long gone with all my money!

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

04/27/2010 02:35:17 PM · #20

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

That's when you find out that IMG_0247.CR2 is actually a photo of a photo, violating the literal artwork rule. But by then, I will be long gone with all my money!

Yes, as we've seen with the bankers, a successful clawback of ill-gotten gains/winnings is so rare as to not be worth the trouble ...

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

04/27/2010 02:37:06 PM · #21

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Yes, as we've seen with the bankers, a successful clawback of ill-gotten gains/winnings is so rare as to not be worth the trouble ...

Do you think Art will notice the fake ribbon?

04/27/2010 02:44:27 PM · #22

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Yes, as we've seen with the bankers, a successful clawback of ill-gotten gains/winnings is so rare as to not be worth the trouble ...

Do you think Art will notice the fake ribbon?

I know they're fake, but that doesn't mean I can't bundle them together and sell them as derivatives.

04/27/2010 02:46:55 PM · #23

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
But for ones that weren't taken for the challenge, my understanding is that they cannot be "compositional elements" in the finished piece. At least that's the way I remember it from another thread.

Exactly!

In the Expert Editing ruleset it states "You may: use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules."

ETA - rule quote.

Still haven't heard a confirmation on this by SC yet.