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04/26/2010 05:30:01 PM · #1

I have never done an expert editing challenge before, so I have a couple of questions.

This challenge was an Expert Editing Challenge , 1st place only used a photograph of the butterfly, the rest he made up. //www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_results.php?CHALLENGE_ID=702

Is that allowed now?

Can we use overlays and textures?

edited to add the link cos I am a nincompoop!

Message edited by author 2010-04-26 17:40:35.

Louis

Nikon D800

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

04/26/2010 05:36:17 PM · #2

What challenge? :-)

Yes to overlays and textures so long as you took the photos yourself during the challenge timeframe.

Message edited by author 2010-04-26 17:36:51.

Citadel

Nikon D7500

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

04/26/2010 05:39:24 PM · #3

Not sure about which previous challenge you are referring to but yes you can use textures and overlays. They are the only thing you can use that preexisted before the challenge. (So long as they are used as textures and overlays). Everything else needs to be created from scratch or photographed after the challenge was announced. I.e. no clip art. (Judi had an image DQ'd because of this however if she had doodled in the things she had used clip art for she would have been fine.)

edit # 2: J added the link dagnabit!

Message edited by author 2010-04-26 17:40:32.

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

04/26/2010 05:41:53 PM · #4

so if i had a textures that looked like a building and stuck it in there, that would be ok?

Siggav

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

04/26/2010 05:46:22 PM · #5

Is it ok to doodle in textures? What about manually painting in some features that weren't there before, like drawing in really long hair in a model that has only shoulder length hair.

04/26/2010 06:03:55 PM · #6

Originally posted by Siggav:

Is it ok to doodle in textures? What about manually painting in some features that weren't there before, like drawing in really long hair in a model that has only shoulder length hair.

That's apparently not OK. I got away with it early on, when I drew in my birds, but it was a split decision and we've been told it's not allowed now.

R.

04/26/2010 06:06:27 PM · #7

Originally posted by JulietNN:

so if i had a textures that looked like a building and stuck it in there, that would be ok?

If you made a building-shaped selection and then added a bricks texture, to make it look like a building where none was, that wouldn't be using texture *as texture* in the sense the rule is intending, I don't think. If, on the other hand, you photographed some bricks tomorrow and did the same thing, cloned them repeatedly to create a building, that would apparently be OK. Seems a tad inconsistent to me, but it's a bizarre rule anyway. I'm frankly not sure why they bother having a date requirement at all on an expert editing challenge, but I'm not the boss :-)

R.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

04/26/2010 06:08:50 PM · #8

Originally posted by JulietNN:

It's definitely allowed now, it's kind of the uber-projection of the expert editing ruleset. He didn't actually "make it all up", the figure is comprised of pieces he photographed during the challenge week and then assembled/reassembled to create the android.

R.

freakin_hilarious

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

04/26/2010 06:10:51 PM · #9

Just in case it's useful, here's the last thread where some of these things were discussed that I can remember: //www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=919313

My take on it all is that you can use any pics taken during the challenge for any purpose in any way in any combination, you can create new content for any purpose in any way during editing, and you can use pics from outside the challenge dates only for textures.

elsapo

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

04/26/2010 06:12:26 PM · #10

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by JulietNN:
I have never done an expert editing challenge before, so I have a couple of questions.

This challenge was an Expert Editing Challenge , 1st place only used a photograph of the butterfly, the rest he made up. //www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_results.php?CHALLENGE_ID=702

Is that allowed now?

It's definitely allowed now, it's kind of the uber-projection of the expert editing ruleset. He didn't actually "make it all up", the figure is comprised of pieces he photographed during the challenge week and then assembled/reassembled to create the android.

R.

yup that's correct, its 7-8 images combined. I layered the images and did not paint or "made up" anything ;)

edit: actually some of the rays and tear were enhanced through dodging, but the rest is from photos taken during the challenge

Message edited by author 2010-04-26 18:14:59.

freakin_hilarious

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Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

04/26/2010 06:18:23 PM · #11

Although, I think it would still be legal even if you had drawn it all by hand over top a lens cap shot.

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

04/26/2010 06:31:15 PM · #12

so I can NOT (?) stick this picture in and then have my kids dressed as aliens and put them on top of it?

Message edited by author 2010-04-26 18:31:51.

Louis

Nikon D800

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

04/26/2010 06:42:14 PM · #13

Originally posted by JulietNN:

so I can NOT (?) stick this picture in and then have my kids dressed as aliens and put them on top of it?

Nope.

"You may combine multiple photographs to produce your entry. All additional photographs must be taken by you after the challenge is announced with a digital camera that records EXIF data."

04/26/2010 06:45:46 PM · #14

Originally posted by JulietNN:

1st place only used a photograph of the butterfly, the rest he made up. //www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_results.php?CHALLENGE_ID=702

ummmm.....wow?

I think I will stick to basic editing.....holy crap i don't stand a chance

I still am going to stand by my reasoning that it's a Digital PHOTOGRAPHY Challenge, not a Digital PROCESSING Challenge. Obviously editing is a significant factor in this, but really....the only photo was the butterfly?

Just my .02

But clearly we have many TALENTED peeps around here....wow....

Message edited by author 2010-04-26 19:01:41.

04/26/2010 06:59:16 PM · #15

Originally posted by glockguy:

I think I will stick to basic editing.....holy crap i don't stand a chance

My highest-scoring image to date was in an expert editing challenge. Everything in it except the added birds is advanced-editing legal now, although at the time HDR compositing was not legal in advanced, and this image uses HDR compositing...

04/26/2010 07:03:07 PM · #16

ok, so photomatix is legal then? how about in advanced?

That is a SUHWEET pic btw....

noob question beware:

how did you add in the birds?

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

04/26/2010 07:04:52 PM · #17

No I got it wrong, the whole thing is a photograph, not just the butterfly. it was all manipulated in PS. From lots of other photographs

04/26/2010 07:07:16 PM · #18

Originally posted by JulietNN:

No I got it wrong, the whole thing is a photograph, not just the butterfly. it was all manipulated in PS. From lots of other photographs

Even still....

I wouldn't know how to "frick around" with a photo for 10-15 hours, let alone "work" on one for that long.....

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

04/26/2010 07:10:02 PM · #19

That is why we are at the end of the challenges and they are at the top winning ribbons, they are dedicated lovers of photography

04/26/2010 07:11:38 PM · #20

Originally posted by JulietNN:

That is why we are at the end of the challenges and they are at the top winning ribbons, they are dedicated lovers of photography

I don't think it comes down to a "love" factor. I think it's all about training and time......

None of us would be paid members if we didnt "love" photography. It's a matter of commitment......

Time to go back and take some continuing ed courses

Message edited by author 2010-04-26 19:12:34.

04/26/2010 08:54:57 PM · #21

Originally posted by glockguy:

ok, so photomatix is legal then? how about in advanced?

That is a SUHWEET pic btw....

noob question beware:

how did you add in the birds?

HDRI imaging from multiple originals is now legal in Advanced Editing, yes... I added in the birds with the burn tool. We've since been told that's the same as clip art and we can't do it. What we'd need to do is go shoot some birds during the submission dates; then we can burn those birds in black and paste 'em in. Seems silly to me, but whatever floats their boat...

R.

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

04/26/2010 09:03:39 PM · #22

This whole Expert Rule is silly really.

What we need is an Expert Expert rule where anything goes, which in my silliness, I thought was the Expert Rule.

I think that for the future of DPC there really should be and EE Rule. There are some amazing talented PS people out there, that we could ALL learn from. So dodging in some birds is illegal, it seems , almost petty.

Maybe I am totally wrong, but I would love to see and learn how people do half the stuff in PP this way. Wouldn't it almost be 'up to the times' as well. How are we to learn new, exciting ways, to enhance our photography.

I understand that some people just want a photo to be a photo , and we have challenges for that. But an EE challenge would be mind blowing, think of all the things we could learn. And isn't this what this site is about, learning???

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

04/26/2010 09:26:11 PM · #23

Originally posted by JulietNN:

yeah, dpc rulesets are only relevant to newspapers now, and have as much of a future.

Nuzzer