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Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

03/19/2010 06:23:33 PM · #1

It's time for a new computer. Have been reading previous threads where people have advised components so will post what I'm looking at when I get organised.

The question I need answered is about which bit system to go with. 32 or 64.
Will be Windows 7 system (have been looking a mac and am very tempted but I don't have any software for them)

Will CS3 and Elements 5 and other programs I have work on a 64 bit system?

Thanks

Message edited by author 2010-03-19 18:25:22.

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

03/19/2010 06:54:18 PM · #2

In short yes.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

03/19/2010 07:05:29 PM · #3

32 bit applications will run on a 64 bit system in an emulation mode that is transparent to the user. However, drivers are a different story. You must have 64 bit drivers for your devices. Also, Canon does not yet have a 64 bit codec that allows windows explorer to view RAW thumbnails and previews. There is a free 3rd party codec, however.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

03/19/2010 08:12:56 PM · #4

At this point all new hardware should have drivers available, that should not be a problem. If you want to use more than 3.5 GB of memory, then you will want a 64-bit OS.

robs

Canon EOS R6 Mk II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

03/19/2010 08:14:47 PM · #5

You can transfer adobe licenses from windows to apple (call them), so don't rule it out so fast if that's what you want to do.... depends on other s/ware as well obviously.

I agree that drivers are a PITA.... If you buy all new stuff then fine but most of us don't....

Dr.Confuser

Nikon D800

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

03/20/2010 01:03:43 AM · #6

Originally posted by robs:

You can transfer adobe licenses from windows to apple (call them), so don't rule it out so fast if that's what you want to do.... depends on other s/ware as well obviously.

I did this when I switched. It cost about $6 for new media, but nothing to cross license to the Mac.

Olympus 7-14mm f/4.0 Zuiko Digital Zoom

03/20/2010 04:07:39 AM · #7

Thanks everyone.

one2one

Olympus E-5

03/20/2010 11:05:18 AM · #8

I know one thing for sure. When I use PS(CS4) in 32 bit PS cannot manage my memory at all, it just gobbles it all up to 3gb and then I have to restart PS before it crashes on me. When I use the 64bit version my memory is managed as it should be. I have 6GB. I know the 32bit version of Windows doesn't handle more than 3.5gb of RAM but what I'm saying is that it doesn't flush the memory when I've closed everything I'm working on, I have to restart PS for it to give me back my RAM. I figured it (PS32bit) would with my 64 bit system.

Artifacts

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

03/20/2010 12:17:16 PM · #9

I do not know about CS3 and Elements but CS4 and Lightroom II both have 64-bit versions. I run both my field notebook and workstation computers on a 64 bit OS with ample RAM and free disk space. It makes all the difference in the world! Post processing is smoother, faster, has far fewer issues and you can break the 4 Gig file size barrier.

But if the software you are running is only 32 bit(Like Garmin's Mapsource) then buying 64-bit is only hardware preparation until you can get 64-bit software upgrades to take advantage of it.

LindaLee

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

03/20/2010 09:16:52 PM · #10

CS3 runs great on 64-bit, but be aware that many 3rd party plugins (Lucis, Nik Color Efex, Noise Ninja to name a few that I've tried to use with it) may not work with it. However, those same filters WILL still install and work well on your 32-bit version of PS.

I've been running 64-bit since CS2 and it has been flawless, with the exception of my 3rd party filters.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

03/21/2010 03:23:44 AM · #11

I use Topaz but it comes in 64 bit also.

I only have Elements 5 and CS3 and have no need to upgrade at this time (well I would like CS4 so that my 7d raw files could be read but I'll have to make DPP do for now - anyone know another work around for this?).

So, Topaz comes in both 32 and 64 bit - with CS3 only 32bit which Topaz should I install - 64 to go with the operating system or 32 to go with CS3?

Advise welcome. Thanks to all.

Artifacts

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

03/21/2010 05:02:27 PM · #12

I believe that your main software apps - Elements 5 and CS3 - are 32-bit only apps. There is no 64-bit version of CS3, CS4 was first to offer 64-bit.

32-bit apps will still run under a 64-bit OS, of course, but they will not take advantage of the performance improvements and capabilities that a 64-bit architecture offers... they can't.

You need to research this to be sure, but I'd be very surprised if the 64-bit Topaz will work with a 32-bit application. Most likely you will still have to use the 32-bit Topaz version to remain compatible.

When I upgraded to a 64-bit OS I budgeted to upgrade to 64-bit applications for my main software products as well. That was one of my requirements for making the move and the best way to go if you can. If that is not an option for you then just resolve that upgrading to a 64-bit OS is preparation for later 64-bit application upgrades. Your existing apps will still work. And the other hardware improvements you get with a new machine is still worth the cost.

Message edited by author 2010-03-21 17:03:08.

justamistere

Nikon D3s

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

03/21/2010 09:53:32 PM · #13

I was looking into a high end Mac Laptop, 3.xx Ghz, large monitor, 4 GB RAM, SSD Drive, 7200 HD. All for about $4,000. Last Year, I decided to build my own PC usig the Windows Vista 64 bit OS. I've always been a PC and I had Adobe CS4 and Lightroom 2.

For a PC I got Huge amount more horsepower for that price in a Tower computer. 12 GB RAM (Corsair DDR 3 1600 Hz), Intel i7-965 CPU 3.20 Ghz 64 bit Quad Core, 10,000 rpm WD-Raptor HD, ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Motherboard, EVGA GT 260 Video card (865 MB PCI Express 2.0x16), Cooler Master 1000 Case, with Cooler Master V8 CPU Cooler.

For best deal and speed on Large-Laptops I reccommend the Toshiba QOSMIO X505-850 w/Windows 7 64 bit, comes with Intel i7-720 CPU 4-Core, 1-GB GDDR5 memory and even a small 64GB SSD, and 320GB 7200 HD, 18" Widesreen Full HD LCD monitor 1920x1080. More bang for you bucks then Dell's Alienware systems.

For the Fastest speed in Post Processing and creating Thumbnail previews in Lightroom. I reccommend getting the biggest SSD Drive you can afford 64/128/256 GB, It has transfer rates up to 190 MB/second. Then point all software and OS to use that drive for Cache files, Temp folder, Windows cache (memory pageing), Lightroom Catalog files, etc. Install as much software you can like your Photoshop and LightRoom on those drives. But leave enough free space for the previous cache files mentioned and your current projects you're working on.

For 64 bit systems 64 bit software will take most advantage of that OS. I've install many software meant for 32-bit environments on Windows 64-bit Vista and Windows 7. Every single software, even really old stuff worked without a problem. Some software had newer versions made for 64-bit. Software gets installed in a different folder and are run in emulation mode. There are now 2 main folders for programs, "C:\Program Files" and "C:\Program Files (x86)" for older non-64 bit software. Windows 7 seems to have fixed annoying user interface improvements. They both install software fast and smooth.

Artifacts probably stated much of the same, but SSD's have amazed me. I always shoot Raw and JPG fine both and don't use Windows Explorer ever for previewing them, It's Bridge or Lightroom for that.

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

03/22/2010 05:28:09 PM · #14

Originally posted by RamblinR:

I use Topaz but it comes in 64 bit also.

I only have Elements 5 and CS3 and have no need to upgrade at this time (well I would like CS4 so that my 7d raw files could be read but I'll have to make DPP do for now - anyone know another work around for this?).

So, Topaz comes in both 32 and 64 bit - with CS3 only 32bit which Topaz should I install - 64 to go with the operating system or 32 to go with CS3?

Advise welcome. Thanks to all.

Can anyone answer this question?
Much appreciated

Message edited by author 2010-03-22 17:28:36.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

03/22/2010 05:40:58 PM · #15

Originally posted by RamblinR:

Originally posted by RamblinR:
I use Topaz but it comes in 64 bit also.

I only have Elements 5 and CS3 and have no need to upgrade at this time (well I would like CS4 so that my 7d raw files could be read but I'll have to make DPP do for now - anyone know another work around for this?).

So, Topaz comes in both 32 and 64 bit - with CS3 only 32bit which Topaz should I install - 64 to go with the operating system or 32 to go with CS3?

Advise welcome. Thanks to all.

Can anyone answer this question?
Much appreciated

Artifacts previously posted, you will need to use the 32-bit plug-in if you are using a 32-bit version of Photoshop.