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 03/12/2010 01:08:21 PM · #26
Sorry about your dq. A great image, none the less. One of my top picks!
For the most part, I usually stick to basic editing challenges because of the rules interpretations.
I wanted to clone out an imperfection on my entry but was afraid it might not be as incidental as I thought...
 03/12/2010 01:08:23 PM · #27
the rules suck but you definitely broke them.
 03/12/2010 01:08:36 PM · #28
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by snaffles:
I also have a DQ in this challenge:

Can we see?


//www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_stats.php?action=comments&IMAGE_ID=859141

Status: Your submission has been disqualified:
You may not use ANY editing tool to create new image area, objects or features (such as lens flare or motion) that didn't already exist in your original capture.

Uhmm...hmm. As the image is dq'd, why am I not being allowed to post it?

Message edited by author 2010-03-12 13:11:22.
 03/12/2010 01:09:44 PM · #29
I like your imagination with the border. It really worked well.
 03/12/2010 01:21:45 PM · #30
funny thing is I actually like it *better* now that I know how you did it. Before I thought it was just a picture of an object.
 03/12/2010 01:35:05 PM · #31
Originally posted by snaffles:
Uhmm...hmm. As the image is dq'd, why am I not being allowed to post it?

Just upload a copy to your portfolio like ItemPisces did.
 03/12/2010 01:52:22 PM · #32
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Just to make it clear before some individuals start attacking me again as per usual. I am NOT disputing the fact that the DQ is valid. I agree that in some parts of my image there is no actual border to be seen. I posted here because I think it's quite an interesting debate because it's an ART challenge and that perhaps in future the rules could be expanded a bit like maybe to expert editing. Just to give members a bit more of a creative free hand.


i think you are interpreting it in a different way. It's an FINE ART challenge, not DIGITAL ART. If it were a DIGITAL ART Challenge then I'd say yeah, it should be expert editing. I think for a fine art challenge basic or advanced is perfect. If you have to use post processing to make it art, then is it really fine art?
 03/12/2010 01:52:26 PM · #33
ItemPisces. Me fecit ridere.
 03/12/2010 01:53:51 PM · #34
By the way if taking a photo of existing art is considered (and quit rightly so) by some not too be in the spirit of the challenge theme even if one alters the original artwork by giving it a different perspective then shouldn't a photo taken of a building or architecture from such a perspective that it becomes something abstract and not even recognizable as the original be considered out of bounds for a fine art challenge also? A building or architecture can also be considered as man made art. In that case perhaps in the next fine art challenge it should be made clear that capturing anything man made in any form is not allowed.
 03/12/2010 01:58:09 PM · #35
Originally posted by ThingFish:
By the way if taking a photo of existing art is considered (and quit rightly so) by some not too be in the spirit of the challenge theme even if one alters the original artwork by giving it a different perspective then shouldn't a photo taken of a building or architecture from such a perspective that it becomes something abstract and not even recognizable as the original be considered out of bounds for a fine art challenge also? A building or architecture can also be considered as man made art. In that case perhaps in the next fine art challenge it should be made clear that capturing anything man made in any form is not allowed.


I don't think it's a big deal, myself. I think it's silly to draw that line. I wouldn't have a problem with calling a photograph of a sculpture a work of art in and of itself. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, your submission more or less met that criterion; it seemed to me int he spirit of the challenge, though in the end it wasn't one of my favorite submissions.

Some people are more up-tight/concerned about this sort of thing, but that's par for the course, eh?

R.
 03/12/2010 02:02:24 PM · #36
Originally posted by albc28:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Just to make it clear before some individuals start attacking me again as per usual. I am NOT disputing the fact that the DQ is valid. I agree that in some parts of my image there is no actual border to be seen. I posted here because I think it's quite an interesting debate because it's an ART challenge and that perhaps in future the rules could be expanded a bit like maybe to expert editing. Just to give members a bit more of a creative free hand.


i think you are interpreting it in a different way. It's an FINE ART challenge, not DIGITAL ART. If it were a DIGITAL ART Challenge then I'd say yeah, it should be expert editing. I think for a fine art challenge basic or advanced is perfect. If you have to use post processing to make it art, then is it really fine art?

Depends on what post processing you are talking about. I agree that basic editing should be sufficient for an Art challenge. By the way I used only basic editing in my entry. I think that normal stuff like sharpening, cropping and saturation should be ok. Or not? I mean most of the entries in this challenge have had some editing. I agree that stuff that goes beyond that is something that would make it digital art. My own entry had no real post processing done that turned it into something it was not, albeit it altered it's perspective. I don't even have photoshop by the way. My image I agree broke the rules because of the border issue but I don't agree with you that my image is digital art. It's quite clearly just a normal photograph of a sculpture and like I said only the angle and perspective have been changed. And of course I changed the blue sky into negative white space. I understand something quite different under digital art. Such as some of those cleverly photoshopped images one so often sees.

Message edited by author 2010-03-12 14:06:09.
 03/12/2010 02:06:41 PM · #37
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
By the way if taking a photo of existing art is considered (and quit rightly so) by some not too be in the spirit of the challenge theme even if one alters the original artwork by giving it a different perspective then shouldn't a photo taken of a building or architecture from such a perspective that it becomes something abstract and not even recognizable as the original be considered out of bounds for a fine art challenge also? A building or architecture can also be considered as man made art. In that case perhaps in the next fine art challenge it should be made clear that capturing anything man made in any form is not allowed.


I don't think it's a big deal, myself. I think it's silly to draw that line. I wouldn't have a problem with calling a photograph of a sculpture a work of art in and of itself. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, your submission more or less met that criterion; it seemed to me int he spirit of the challenge, though in the end it wasn't one of my favorite submissions.

Some people are more up-tight/concerned about this sort of thing, but that's par for the course, eh?

R.


For it all depends on how its done. Taking a picture of a picture of a person and passing it off as if you took the original photo I think is wrong. There was one example of someone taking a picture of a glass in front of a family setting and we found out the family setting was a picture...I think that is wrong. Photos of sculptures, pictures in the background, buildings, pictures hanging on the wall (obvious that it's a picture hanging on the wall) are all okay.
 03/12/2010 02:08:03 PM · #38
Originally posted by albc28:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Just to make it clear before some individuals start attacking me again as per usual. I am NOT disputing the fact that the DQ is valid. I agree that in some parts of my image there is no actual border to be seen. I posted here because I think it's quite an interesting debate because it's an ART challenge and that perhaps in future the rules could be expanded a bit like maybe to expert editing. Just to give members a bit more of a creative free hand.


i think you are interpreting it in a different way. It's an FINE ART challenge, not DIGITAL ART. If it were a DIGITAL ART Challenge then I'd say yeah, it should be expert editing. I think for a fine art challenge basic or advanced is perfect. If you have to use post processing to make it art, then is it really fine art?


Gotta step in here. It seems to me that fine art can be made with anything at hand. It may be pixels, it may be a paint brush. It's not the medium, it's the message. (Somebody said that once.)
:-)
 03/12/2010 02:19:49 PM · #39
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Originally posted by albc28:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Just to make it clear before some individuals start attacking me again as per usual. I am NOT disputing the fact that the DQ is valid. I agree that in some parts of my image there is no actual border to be seen. I posted here because I think it's quite an interesting debate because it's an ART challenge and that perhaps in future the rules could be expanded a bit like maybe to expert editing. Just to give members a bit more of a creative free hand.


i think you are interpreting it in a different way. It's an FINE ART challenge, not DIGITAL ART. If it were a DIGITAL ART Challenge then I'd say yeah, it should be expert editing. I think for a fine art challenge basic or advanced is perfect. If you have to use post processing to make it art, then is it really fine art?

Depends on what post processing you are talking about. I agree that basic editing should be sufficient for an Art challenge. By the way I used only basic editing in my entry. I think that normal stuff like sharpening, cropping and saturation should be ok. Or not? I mean most of the entries in this challenge have had some editing. I agree that stuff that goes beyond that is something that would make it digital art. My own entry had no real post processing done that turned it into something it was not, albeit it altered it's perspective. I don't even have photoshop by the way. My image I agree broke the rules because of the border issue but I don't agree with you that my image is digital art. It's quite clearly just a normal photograph of a sculpture and like I said only the angle and perspective have been changed. And of course I changed the blue sky into negative white space. I understand something quite different under digital art. Such as some of those cleverly photoshopped images one so often sees.


Dang...I had this long eloquent response typed up...I hit the wrong button and lost it all....F it...I'm not typing it again!
 03/12/2010 02:24:17 PM · #40

Dang...I had this long eloquent response typed up...I hit the wrong button and lost it all....F it...I'm not typing it again!

frustrating
 03/12/2010 04:09:34 PM · #41
I just did a color adjustment to mine, and not even a radical one at that..

Like I said, this would have been very cool if it had run under a minimal ruleset.

LOL, actually I didn't just do a very lazy job on the PP, I also used a really cruddy camera for my shot, takes about 2 photos a minute.. Yeah, that's neat...
 03/12/2010 04:35:38 PM · #42
Originally posted by coryboehne:

LOL, actually I didn't just do a very lazy job on the PP, I also used a really cruddy camera for my shot, takes about 2 photos a minute.


Why? 50D battery expired? What did you use?
 03/12/2010 04:40:30 PM · #43
And the first f.arts award goes to.......


03/12/2010 04:47:12 PM · #44
Nice Ken!
 03/12/2010 04:55:45 PM · #45
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Originally posted by coryboehne:

LOL, actually I didn't just do a very lazy job on the PP, I also used a really cruddy camera for my shot, takes about 2 photos a minute.


Why? 50D battery expired? What did you use?


Girlfriend's Kodak EasyShare ZD710 --

She was telling me that I wouldn't dare enter a challenge with her camera, so I grabbed it, shot a picture of a couple of objects in her house, and put it into the challenge.

Truly fun..

And now-- Art- Excellent work on the award :)
 03/12/2010 05:58:52 PM · #46
Originally posted by ThingFish:
By the way if taking a photo of existing art is considered (and quit rightly so) by some not too be in the spirit of the challenge theme even if one alters the original artwork by giving it a different perspective then shouldn't a photo taken of a building or architecture from such a perspective that it becomes something abstract and not even recognizable as the original be considered out of bounds for a fine art challenge also? A building or architecture can also be considered as man made art. In that case perhaps in the next fine art challenge it should be made clear that capturing anything man made in any form is not allowed.


Agreed. And I struggle with this one.
 03/12/2010 06:10:14 PM · #47
OK, finally got home...

so here's my dq



I cloned out stuff in the bg, then used the marquee tool to select the left third and jut blasted the pic with a hit of -100% brightness and highlights at 100%. Then on the right third, I simply hit the brightness up to +100% and highlights at 100%.

Then I selected the entire image, inverted it, then resized, usm and sharpen and save for web. c'est ca. So unless SC thinks I did too much cloning out of background clutter, I don't really know why I got dq'd on the grounds that I did.
 03/12/2010 06:12:36 PM · #48
it's probably because the division into thirds didn't exist in the orig - you 'created new shapes'
 03/12/2010 06:12:58 PM · #49
You created three elements not in the original photo. They look like new elements. It's pretty clear.
 03/12/2010 06:13:17 PM · #50
Originally posted by snaffles:
OK, finally got home...

so here's my dq



I cloned out stuff in the bg, then used the marquee tool to select the left third and jut blasted the pic with a hit of -100% brightness and highlights at 100%. Then on the right third, I simply hit the brightness up to +100% and highlights at 100%.

Then I selected the entire image, inverted it, then resized, usm and sharpen and save for web. c'est ca. So unless SC thinks I did too much cloning out of background clutter, I don't really know why I got dq'd on the grounds that I did.


There was an entry in another challenge that did something similar to this. It was the marquee tool and changing the colors in each third of the photo. You created an effect that wasn't already there.
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