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01/28/2010 08:13:21 AM · #26
Originally posted by dtremain:

... When the voting encouraged people to not score 1, 2, or 3 without leaving a comment, I think it boosted scores because I'm guessing there were others like me who, being too lazy to leave a comment, would give a shot a 4. Even now, I seldom score shots less than 4 unless they are truly bad IMHO.

Actually, I don't think that had any impact on scoring at all. The popup would show once, that's it...
01/28/2010 08:24:11 AM · #27
Originally posted by alanfreed:

We see suggestions for new voting strategies all the time, but I honestly don't see why any change is needed. When I see the winners each week, I don't think there's any doubt that the best shots win, and the worst shots are at the bottom of the pack. If I started seeing brown ribbon quality photos at the top of the stack, or vice versa, then we'd start to wonder what the problem is with the voting system. No such problem exists.

Ain't broken... don't need fixin'...


Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:

Well, that is very subjective, IMO the best images are rarely on the front page :)

The operative phrase being IMO

Here's the thing. The votes are pretty much cast in a reasonable manner......the "Trolls" are offset by the starry-eyed, and everyone is entitled to their vote and opinion.

How can you profess to come up with anything more fair than that?

Really, all that is being pointed out here is that there will always be a small, but vocal, minority of people who want others to see things like they do.

Things is, from the time that you vote in your first challenge, to a couple of years down the road and voting/commenting on thousands of images, you establish *your* style, pattern, scale of how you rate images as they appeal to you and your level of observation.

I score images, and appreciate them, on many different levels that I did when I got here.

So......just using my premnise of voting and perception changing with time as a given, how would you propose to govern that to get a more accurate or fair result?

And just exactly who gets to be the one(s) that state what is the "right" way of voting?
01/28/2010 09:00:36 AM · #28
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:

No, you misunderstand me. You as a member of SC said that you can see nothing wrong because the best pictures are winning the ribbons. If I apply that argument then I as a (hypothetical) SC member would be saying - hang on something's wrong with this voting system, the best pictures aren't winning!


Well, you're definitely right... I do misunderstand you. So you're trying to say that because YOUR favorite shots didn't win ribbons, the voting system is flawed? I guess if that's how you look at it, you can go to a challenge once its over, and click "Order by My Vote" to see the "correct" ranking, then...
01/28/2010 09:04:08 AM · #29
Originally posted by alanfreed:

So you're trying to say that because YOUR favorite shots didn't win ribbons, the voting system is flawed?

Uhm-- I think she's saying the logic of the counter-argument was flawed.
01/28/2010 09:35:35 AM · #30
Originally posted by alanfreed:

Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:

No, you misunderstand me. You as a member of SC said that you can see nothing wrong because the best pictures are winning the ribbons. If I apply that argument then I as a (hypothetical) SC member would be saying - hang on something's wrong with this voting system, the best pictures aren't winning!


Well, you're definitely right... I do misunderstand you. So you're trying to say that because YOUR favorite shots didn't win ribbons, the voting system is flawed? I guess if that's how you look at it, you can go to a challenge once its over, and click "Order by My Vote" to see the "correct" ranking, then...


No, I'm saying the logic that you applied to your argument is flawed ;)
Edit - thank you Citymars!

Message edited by author 2010-01-28 09:36:24.
02/01/2010 07:41:36 AM · #31
Hmmm...why not add a bell curve to the scores at the end of the challenge voting period? When I take a look at the Challenge History page (just the first page - it's too early to review the whole thing), I see no 6.0+ averages. They are all sub 6.0. If this was a University, the average 'class' has received a D rating, which would put everyone on par with Engineering class averages (I speak from experience from Comp Eng at UofT). Just my 2 cents.
02/01/2010 07:55:27 AM · #32
Originally posted by lyn100:

I don't think the voting system needs changing but people who consistently give 1's and 2's to boost their own scores should be outed, name and shame them. (...) it is very demoralising, not to say frustrating, to receive such a low score without the voter doing you the courtesey of telling you why they think your picture is crap.


The more people vote, the fairest the system will be, so I believe that any measure that diminishes votes must be approached with extreme care.

An easy way to discourage those 1 2 voters would be to automatically vote your own entry with the average of the scores you gave as soon as the voting closes.

Easy, fair and effective.
02/01/2010 08:00:37 AM · #33
Originally posted by lyn100:

I don't think the voting system needs changing but people who consistently give 1's and 2's to boost their own scores should be outed, name and shame them. (...) it is very demoralising, not to say frustrating, to receive such a low score without the voter doing you the courtesey of telling you why they think your picture is crap.


Originally posted by duartix:

The more people vote, the fairest the system will be, so I believe that any measure that diminishes votes must be approached with extreme care.

An easy way to discourage those 1 2 voters would be to automatically vote your own entry with the average of the scores you gave as soon as the voting closes.

Easy, fair and effective.

The system isn't broken.

It really boils down to a few people getting bent out of shape because of something not meeting their expectations.

It doesn't matter if the winning image got 112 10s, and nothing lower than a 5 except for 2-2s and a 1.

It's not going to make any difference, and if those three people wanted to vote that way, they have just as much right as the people who cats the 10s.

And if they choose not to leave a comment as to why they voted the way they did, so be it.

You simply cannot impose your values onto others.

Live with it.
02/01/2010 08:15:21 AM · #34
Originally posted by NikonJeb:


The system isn't broken.

It really boils down to a few people getting bent out of shape because of something not meeting their expectations.

It doesn't matter if the winning image got 112 10s, and nothing lower than a 5 except for 2-2s and a 1.

It's not going to make any difference, and if those three people wanted to vote that way, they have just as much right as the people who cats the 10s.

And if they choose not to leave a comment as to why they voted the way they did, so be it.

You simply cannot impose your values onto others.

Live with it.


My thoughts exactly. I'd say stop stressing about it and just enjoy your photography. If you want more of an in-depth critique get one from Critique Club and post your image for discussion in the Individual Photograph section. People should be allowed to vote how they want and not feel pressured into having to comment if they give out a 1 or 2. It's up to them.
02/01/2010 10:49:10 AM · #35
Originally posted by NikonJeb:


You simply cannot impose your values onto others.
Live with it.

I'm perfectly fine with it, AS IT IS.
I was just presenting a solution to what others might consider a problem.
There is so much people voting in here that my results have always been very much close to a Bell Curve as can be seen here or in any other of my pictures.

I've been more than long enough as a member of dpreview and you'd have to dig very deep within my chalenge history to find an entry which voting even remotely looks like a Bell Curve. Here's a fine example of what a voting score distribution should NOT look like, but that's almost a constant throughout my existence there.

I'm very confortable here with this photographic community and voting system. Judging by the results it looks like people who vote are also people who know photography, which isn't any close to what happens in the other site, so I live with it quite happily.

02/01/2010 07:58:46 PM · #36
Originally posted by duartix:

There is so much people voting in here that my results have always been very much close to a Bell Curve as can be seen here or in any other of my pictures.

I'm not sure what your point is with this as an example of voting.

It's a kind of right-down-the-middle image with a 5.4 as the score, and the majority of the votes are 5s and 6s.

Where are you going with this?
02/01/2010 11:54:45 PM · #37
NO.
02/02/2010 02:36:10 AM · #38
It doesn't matter who selects the winners. It could be by popular vote, a jury of so-called 'experts', or simply D&L picking their favorites. Either way it's still just someone else's opinion. And you know what they say about opinionsâ€Â¦

I say the more honest unbiased voters we have the better and fairer the results will be.

02/02/2010 05:27:47 AM · #39
Well what I can say is there are 2 kind of judge...
one who give marks on "look" basis and others for "technical correctness"

Why not let each user fix which kind of judge they are then take average of it.

So this way the complete system is the same no issues of "panel of judges" etc....

As lot of people said earlier you image should have a wider appeal.

Frankly I can't judge technically so lately I have not being voting as I may discourage people indirectly, I give vote to those whome I feel are 5+
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