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01/15/2010 02:58:32 PM · #26 |
I agree with glad. Not all union workers gave up wages for better healthcare (HAHA, a union worker giving up wages!!!) and how many non union workers have? How many people take a lower paying job for better benefits?
Sorry, but this was a give away simply to make a supporter happy, and to keep donations coming in. The rest of you have to pay more to make up for this give away.
Note: I'm a union member and my healthcare probably falls in the cadalac classification so this is actually really good for me if this thing passes. However, on the scale of ethics and integrety this is about a -3 on a scale of 1-10. |
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01/15/2010 03:08:11 PM · #27 |
| The last thing I heard was that the tax would apply to that part of the premiums which exceeded $23,000/year, e.g. if the premium is $27,000 then the tax would apply to the $4,000 "overage." But AFAIK nothing has been finalized yet. |
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01/15/2010 03:14:37 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Does anyone have a link to a resource defining what a "Cadillac" health plan is? Please. I have a feeling it's going to cover more people than some may think. |
That'd be the ones with low deductible, that have prescription plans, dental and optical benefits. They will also cover well-visits like physicals.
Most of us drones pray for reasonable rates on major medical, and then generally, they'll co-pay the premiums.
I'm thinking you must have pretty good coverage that this isn't common knowledge....8>)
Most people that have it pretty good through their employers have no idea what it's like to try to self-insure.
Message edited by author 2010-01-15 15:15:07.
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01/15/2010 03:18:06 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
How many people take a lower paying job for better benefits? |
My wife took a job to GET benefits.
Since fairly basic major medical was going to cost us $15K+, it was a real concern.
I'm thinking some of you people really have no clue how much a seriously comprehensive plan is worth.
The one my wife has that costs us about $150 a month in co-pay is roughly equivalent to $35K a year.
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01/15/2010 03:26:41 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Does anyone have a link to a resource defining what a "Cadillac" health plan is? Please. I have a feeling it's going to cover more people than some may think. |
That'd be the ones with low deductible, that have prescription plans, dental and optical benefits. They will also cover well-visits like physicals. ... |
Yep, I have all that. It costs a tad over $500 a month ($6000 yr) as a payroll deduction. There's also an out-of-pocket expense ceiling you have to hit before you get complete reimbursement.
edit - typo.
Message edited by author 2010-01-15 15:27:16. |
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01/15/2010 03:28:17 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The last thing I heard was that the tax would apply to that part of the premiums which exceeded $23,000/year, e.g. if the premium is $27,000 then the tax would apply to the $4,000 "overage." But AFAIK nothing has been finalized yet. |
Have you actually read that anywhere that you can point me too? Guess I can google it and see what I find... |
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01/15/2010 03:31:22 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The last thing I heard was that the tax would apply to that part of the premiums which exceeded $23,000/year, e.g. if the premium is $27,000 then the tax would apply to the $4,000 "overage." But AFAIK nothing has been finalized yet. |
Have you actually read that anywhere that you can point me too? Guess I can google it and see what I find... |
No, I think I heard it in a radio interview with a Presidential advisor, but I can't remember the specific person. Someone in your local Congressional Representative's office may be able to give you something more concrete. |
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01/15/2010 05:25:17 PM · #33 |
You want solid evidence- here ya go...
Pig Report
eta- honestly if you go through it. There are projects that read and think- well that was worthwhile. But some you just shake your head about.
The worst of 2009
Message edited by author 2010-01-15 17:33:41. |
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01/15/2010 05:37:48 PM · #34 |
| My union tells me every chance they get that union employees earn more per hour then non-union. So how did they give up wages for better medical? But I'm sure it's fair that the higher paid union employees are exempt from the tax the nonunion schlubs have to pay. No, this isn't a tax break in exchange for support/votes/donations. No way. |
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01/16/2010 10:40:04 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The last thing I heard was that the tax would apply to that part of the premiums which exceeded $23,000/year, e.g. if the premium is $27,000 then the tax would apply to the $4,000 "overage." But AFAIK nothing has been finalized yet. |
Have you actually read that anywhere that you can point me too? Guess I can google it and see what I find... |
No, I think I heard it in a radio interview with a Presidential advisor, but I can't remember the specific person. Someone in your local Congressional Representative's office may be able to give you something more concrete. |
Here's a link to the transcript of an interview about this issue on the PBS Newshour:
Lawmakers Weighing Tax on "Cadillac" Health Plans
The interview is from early August '09, but I believe this aspect of the tax, that it will apply only to the portion above the cap, remains the same in the legislation. |
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01/16/2010 11:03:36 AM · #36 |
And your proposed solution is?
It seems to me this post ends where it should have begun.
~Terry
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01/16/2010 03:16:16 PM · #37 |
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01/16/2010 03:29:47 PM · #38 |
[Originally posted by David Ey:
Looks pretty clear to me what is going on. We are goverened by crooks. |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
And your proposed solution is?
It seems to me this post ends where it should have begun. |
Heck, I asked him that days ago.
He doesn't have a solution, he NEVER has a solution, or a plan.
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01/16/2010 06:47:17 PM · #39 |
First of all, I don't always have time to respond. Second, many of you had rather belittle the messenger and use $69 words to show how smart you are than contribute a solution yourself. I guess you don't see a problem thru your liberal eyes.
Some of my solution is to stop making special deals for different groups of people.
Let the free market system work and let the businesses that are mismanaged fail.
Let me find the best deal on insurance for myself and shop across state lines.
Let me deduct the $19,000 plus insurance premium I pay per year for health, just on myself from my income tax.
Make the politicians have the same benefits as us common folks.
Stop letting them hire as many staff as they wish who basically work to get them re-elected at our expense.
When is this "open, bipartisan" debates supposed to start?
When a politician is found to be dishonest, fire them immediately.
Close our borders to incoming.
Let the Arabs fight their own wars....you can't help them, they have been like they are for a thousand years.
Admit the muslims want all us heathens dead and deal with it like our lives depend on it...which it does, if you believe their Koran.
Any one of us could go on and on with ideas to fix our government.....best we can do is make sure we vote. We have had the worst group in government the last decade or so, basically since Reagan, that we possibly could have had. We need to run these lifetime, elite politicians...both Democrat and Republican out of office before they spend and steal all our wealth. Do you really think spreading the wealth will create a generally well off society? There will always be the rich, the not so rich and the poor. America has been the land of opportunity....ya think that will continue with this share the wealth idea? |
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01/16/2010 06:52:39 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Close our borders to incoming. |
I'm just going to touch on this one.....
Suppose this had been the thought when your ancestors emigrated.....
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01/16/2010 07:28:38 PM · #41 |
| My ancestors didn't immigrate pal. |
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01/16/2010 07:32:52 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
First of all, I don't always have time to respond. Second, many of you had rather belittle the messenger and use $69 words to show how smart you are than contribute a solution yourself. I guess you don't see a problem thru your liberal eyes.
Some of my solution is to stop making special deals for different groups of people.
Let the free market system work and let the businesses that are mismanaged fail.
Let me find the best deal on insurance for myself and shop across state lines.
Let me deduct the $19,000 plus insurance premium I pay per year for health, just on myself from my income tax.
Make the politicians have the same benefits as us common folks.
Stop letting them hire as many staff as they wish who basically work to get them re-elected at our expense.
When is this "open, bipartisan" debates supposed to start?
When a politician is found to be dishonest, fire them immediately.
Close our borders to incoming.
Let the Arabs fight their own wars....you can't help them, they have been like they are for a thousand years.
Admit the muslims want all us heathens dead and deal with it like our lives depend on it...which it does, if you believe their Koran.
Any one of us could go on and on with ideas to fix our government.....best we can do is make sure we vote. We have had the worst group in government the last decade or so, basically since Reagan, that we possibly could have had. We need to run these lifetime, elite politicians...both Democrat and Republican out of office before they spend and steal all our wealth. Do you really think spreading the wealth will create a generally well off society? There will always be the rich, the not so rich and the poor. America has been the land of opportunity....ya think that will continue with this share the wealth idea? |
Based on your list of priories above, exactly who should we vote for? |
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01/16/2010 07:40:32 PM · #43 |
What list of priorities?
Look, it won't be Sarah if thats what you mean. I'm sure you can identify some of the crooks....don't vote them back in.
Message edited by author 2010-01-16 19:43:06. |
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01/16/2010 07:51:15 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
What list of priorities?
Look, it won't be Sarah if thats what you mean. I'm sure you can identify some of the crooks....don't vote them back in. |
I did that in 2008. I voted out the party the robbed the treasury and gave the money to their good ol boys. I am giving the current party in charge at least more than one election cycle to try to get us out of the mess. But, I'm sure there are still some left to vote out. So, yes, I'll be doing exactly that, like I did last time around. |
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01/16/2010 08:02:52 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
My ancestors didn't immigrate pal. |
Really????
So you're a native American?
Message edited by author 2010-01-16 21:58:58.
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01/16/2010 09:40:14 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The last thing I heard was that the tax would apply to that part of the premiums which exceeded $23,000/year, e.g. if the premium is $27,000 then the tax would apply to the $4,000 "overage." But AFAIK nothing has been finalized yet. |
Have you actually read that anywhere that you can point me too? Guess I can google it and see what I find... |
No, I think I heard it in a radio interview with a Presidential advisor, but I can't remember the specific person. Someone in your local Congressional Representative's office may be able to give you something more concrete. |
Here's a link to the transcript of an interview about this issue on the PBS Newshour:
Lawmakers Weighing Tax on "Cadillac" Health Plans
The interview is from early August '09, but I believe this aspect of the tax, that it will apply only to the portion above the cap, remains the same in the legislation. |
Thanks Judith, that was helpful and informative. There was also a link to some more current discussion of the same topic that led me to this article. |
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01/17/2010 01:21:36 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The last thing I heard was that the tax would apply to that part of the premiums which exceeded $23,000/year, e.g. if the premium is $27,000 then the tax would apply to the $4,000 "overage." But AFAIK nothing has been finalized yet. |
Have you actually read that anywhere that you can point me too? Guess I can google it and see what I find... |
No, I think I heard it in a radio interview with a Presidential advisor, but I can't remember the specific person. Someone in your local Congressional Representative's office may be able to give you something more concrete. |
Here's a link to the transcript of an interview about this issue on the PBS Newshour:
Lawmakers Weighing Tax on "Cadillac" Health Plans
The interview is from early August '09, but I believe this aspect of the tax, that it will apply only to the portion above the cap, remains the same in the legislation. |
Thanks Judith, that was helpful and informative. There was also a link to some more current discussion of the same topic that led me to this article. |
Right, I knew there were more segments like this from this news program but didn't have time to look around for them. I would highly recommend the Newshour for their continuing series on the health care legislation and the economic collapse. They always have good, solid economists as guests and reasonable conversations. |
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01/17/2010 05:39:15 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by David Ey:
My ancestors didn't immigrate pal. |
Really????
So you're a native American? |
yes |
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01/17/2010 05:54:50 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by David Ey:
My ancestors didn't immigrate pal. |
Really????
So you're a native American? |
yes |
The free market did some really amazing things for Native Americans and their culture. |
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01/17/2010 06:06:32 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Admit the muslims want all us heathens dead and deal with it like our lives depend on it...which it does, if you believe their Koran. |
I have a very good friend, who happens to be muslim, his father was born and raised in northern Pakistan. The family came to the US about fifteen years ago. They tell me radical muslims say the same about christians.
BTW- to the best of my knowledge they have no desire to kill me, or anyone else for that matter. |
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