Color Profile not matching DPC Profile

Olympus 7-14mm f/4.0 Zuiko Digital Zoom

01/03/2010 06:53:14 PM · #1

This is the second challenge I'm noticing this in. I'll edit a photo in photoshop and then when I load it in DPC the color and lighting looks completely different than what it does in my photoshop screen. The light looks more harsh and the color looks redder and brighter.....its really hurting my entries if it looks like edited to me looks completely different once downloaded on DPC.

I'm assuming it has something to do with the color profiles? What color profile does DPC use?

one2one

Olympus E-5

01/03/2010 07:02:49 PM · #2

DPC uses your profile you've assigned to it. It has nothing to do with DPC is what I'm saying.

I've been having problems too but not as drastic as you're implying. In my case, it may be my workflow, the way I save and when.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

01/03/2010 07:09:12 PM · #3

What browser are you using and what profile is your image saved with? If it's not sRGB then that's part of the problem. If you're viewing with Safari then it could be the default profile that Safari is using that is the problem.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

01/03/2010 07:36:33 PM · #4

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Actually, Safari is one of very few browsers that supports color profiles. Most browsers don't.
Example

01/03/2010 07:40:29 PM · #5

Well I was using Adobe RGB 1998. I've always used Profoto and never had a problem. There was problems viewing between two different computers but even that was as drastic. I've never seen that difference when uploading to DPC. I can put the Photoshop photo next to the DPC uploaded version and they are completely different.

I just went into photoshop and when I did Save for web, it did the same thing. Has DPC gone to removing the ICC profile from photos recently? (I normally don't save for web)

I'm using internet explorer.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

01/03/2010 07:44:22 PM · #6

Use sRGB for the web, as

cpanaioti has suggested.

Gatorguy

Nikon D700

01/03/2010 07:53:09 PM · #7

Not saving in sRGB is your issue. It will look fine on a color aware browser, but will look dull and flat when viewed on others (Like IE). Use the least common denominator, sRGB, and you'll know everyone is seeing it the same - individual monitor calibration notwithstanding.

PGerst

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/03/2010 07:58:56 PM · #8

Not only do you need to use sRGB, but don't forget to soft proof with Monitor RGB. In some cases, you'll see a slight color shift.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

01/03/2010 08:18:46 PM · #9

I think I found the problem. My monitor workspace is Profoto, adobe photoshop working space is Profoto, but I saved the photo as adobe RGB (imbedded in the profile). So it's showing up on my computer with Profoto RGB workspace. I'm going to convert the workspace of my monitor to see if that's the difference.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

01/03/2010 08:47:07 PM · #10

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
What browser are you using and what profile is your image saved with? If it's not sRGB then that's part of the problem. If you're viewing with Safari then it could be the default profile that Safari is using that is the problem.

Actually, Safari is one of very few browsers that supports color profiles. Most browsers don't.
Example

Except when there is no embedded profile Safari will look at the default monitor profile (not the calibration profile) which could be totally different from everything else.

Message edited by author 2010-01-03 20:47:50.

01/03/2010 09:01:24 PM · #11

I haven't seen this problem before, could this had been because I clicked the "Update" tab in Photoshop? I now have to go through all my photos and see where the difference started taking place. I'd hate to think of how others have been seeing my photos as compared to how I've been seeing them.

LVicari

01/04/2010 10:02:36 PM · #12

I am now having the same F^%$^ing problem. I had no issues before, but now There is an awful color shift when I upload my pic.!

I am saving in sRGB. WHat the F!!

ETA

I have done a soft proof with monitor RGB and I am seeing what is uploaded to the web.

Now do I continue to work with this MOnitor RGB so I can see what will actually upload. And what about printing. What will appear then.

Message edited by author 2010-01-04 22:05:33.

LVicari

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom Nikkor 55-200mm f/4.0-5.6G ED

01/04/2010 10:20:11 PM · #13

Whew! Tragedy averted!
IN the View option Monitor RGB must be selected the Proof Colours must be checked

gwe21

Nikon D300

01/04/2010 10:28:59 PM · #14

Originally posted by LVicari:

Whew! Tragedy averted!
IN the View option Monitor RGB must be selected the Proof Colours must be checked

sorry had to giggle. I had the same problem today too, but finally figured it all out... (i think and hope!)

01/05/2010 12:24:02 AM · #15

Originally posted by PGerst:

Not only do you need to use sRGB, but don't forget to soft proof with Monitor RGB. In some cases, you'll see a slight color shift.

You probably don't want to soft proof with your "Monitor RGB" unless everyone viewing the photo is using the same monitor/calibration as you. Otherwise, if your monitor calibration is bad, everything will look fine to you but you'll have no indication of how it looks on everyone else's monitor.

If you soft proof an sRGB-saved photo with "Monitor RGB", and then switch to "Windows RGB" you should see little, or no, difference. The difference here is the difference between your current monitor profile and sRGB (typical non-colormanaged Windows monitor profile). A huge difference here means your calibration is off and you need to calibrate your monitor. (Assuming a monitor that is not wide gamut.)

With a properly calibrated monitor you don't need to use proofing as part of your workflow for DPC stuff.

01/05/2010 12:26:55 AM · #16

Originally posted by albc28:

Your monitor should be using the profile you created when you calibrated your monitor.

01/05/2010 07:28:37 AM · #17

Originally posted by LVicari:

Whew! Tragedy averted!
IN the View option Monitor RGB must be selected the Proof Colours must be checked

Wait did that fix for all your photos. Because right now, I have two sets of photos that I will have to go back and re-edit if it doesn't fix how the photos are uploaded.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

01/05/2010 07:42:55 AM · #18

Now I think I just messed up all my settings. I'm going to try and go back to what it was before (Profoto for everything), set the proofing to Monitor RGB and see if that completely fixes the problem. It's one thing to have all your photos show up a little more dull than before...and it's another to have them load up extra bright with an intense amount of red in them.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

01/05/2010 07:49:10 AM · #19

Not all browsers are profile aware and when photos are uploaded to DPC the profile is stripped (as far as I know) so the output from PS should be in sRGB.

Some browsers, like Safari, will use the default monitor profile if no profile is embedded in an image otherwise it will use the embedded profile. This is where the monitor profile being something other than sRGB could cause a problem. If an image is saved with sRGB but it is not embedded and the monitor profile is other than sRGB you will see a colour shift.

Just to be clear, the monitor profile I am referring to is not the calibrated profile. That is a different animal altogether.

Message edited by author 2010-01-05 07:50:04.

SaraR

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM

01/05/2010 07:56:20 AM · #20

I developed exactly the same problem a few weeks ago - am going to have to take the time to read and try and understand the advice in this thread when I get home from work. A question - do other people effectively do two edits on their photos, one for web viewing and one for printing and own monitor display? I find this whole colour profile issue very, very confusing....

01/05/2010 11:46:48 AM · #21

Originally posted by albc28:

It doesn't matter what color workspace you are using in PS as long as you remember to do an Edit -> Convert to Profile -> Destination Space (set to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 in the dropdown box), before you save the file. The "Save for Web" panel (on CS3 and greater) will do the conversion for you if you have the "Convert to sRGB" option ticked.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

01/05/2010 12:04:59 PM · #22

Originally posted by pointandshoot:

Bang-on. I forgot to mention this earlier, because CS 4 will default to this option after repeated use. It's therefore easy to select it and then forget it's there.

01/05/2010 02:07:14 PM · #23

Originally posted by albc28:

The photo "Gabriel" in your portfolio has an embedded profile of "Adobe RGB". It will display incorrectly in any browser not using color management. Your "Wall" challenge entry is correctly saved as an sRGB. If you have a specific photo where you are having a problem, post it here and we may be able to offer some clues...

01/05/2010 09:54:40 PM · #24

The two photos I had problems with are in current challenges and they were saved as sRGB, but the embedded profiles are Adobe RGB.

Message edited by author 2010-01-05 21:55:09.