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12/30/2009 04:00:39 PM · #1
I have been trying to work with these two pictures and they are sooooo blooming grainy and I can't figure it out, if I do a NI on them it looks terrible. I don't understand what I did...they are almost full size




so what's your take and what would you do different? On both days it was very gray, typical Michigan weather.

12/30/2009 04:03:27 PM · #2
hard to tell with out seeing the originals.

What ISO were they shot at?

Did you shoot them in RAW or just JPG?
12/30/2009 04:04:32 PM · #3
Can you show us the settings, what ISO, etc??
12/30/2009 04:20:35 PM · #4
I shot in RAW, on the first one I have done a little cropping not much

First picture:

f/5.6
ISO 1600
1/1250 sec

Second:

f/9
ISO 1600
1/2500 sec.

should I convert the pictures to JPEG and load them up?
12/30/2009 04:21:47 PM · #5
Did you sharpen them in your raw converter or use heavy sharpening somewhere in the process? The pattern does not look as much to me like ISO grain as it does like the sharpening artifacts that I have sometimes seen when I crank up the sharpening in in Canon DPP.
12/30/2009 04:23:40 PM · #6
I think your ISO was too high and shutter speed too fast for the f-stop setting.

Judging by the light in the pictures, I think ISO 200 or perhaps at a squeeze 400 with a shutter speed of 1/250 would have got better, cleaner results.

Just my opinion.
12/30/2009 04:26:50 PM · #7
Originally posted by Ja-9:

I shot in RAW, on the first one I have done a little cropping not much

First picture:

f/5.6
ISO 1600
1/1250 sec

Second:

f/9
ISO 1600
1/2500 sec.

should I convert the pictures to JPEG and load them up?


1600 ISO is your biggest issue. Don't know how the D80 does at high ISOs but apparently it's pretty noisy.

You might get some good results if you do the noise reduction in the RAW converter. What software are you using?

Looking at your exposure numbers you could shot it at 400 ISO with much better results, same F-stop and 1/330 or 1/500th shutter speed.
12/30/2009 04:50:19 PM · #8
Originals





I have no idea why my ISO was so high...I usually have it set no higher than MAYBE 800, but someone had taken some pictures the day before with the camera...maybe something got re-set obviously.

I use PSE8 now, I did run a sharpen on both I think but in the editing not the raw part...if anyone thinks they can fix these I sure would appreciate it. I want to use them on a calendar but maybe it's not going to work...I did a little cropping with the one but I tried to keep that at a minimum as I need the full resolution (240) for the calender.

I'm probably going A-backwards doing this...might just have to rething what picture I use...lord know's I have a few thousand to pick from
12/30/2009 04:52:16 PM · #9
send me the original RAW file and I'll take a shot at it.

I'll send you an email to the address on your profile. You can reply to that with the attached files.
12/30/2009 04:54:49 PM · #10
Originally posted by scarbrd:

send me the original RAW file and I'll take a shot at it.

I'll send you an email to the address on your profile. You can reply to that with the attached files.


Thank you David...I'll look for your e-mail.
12/30/2009 05:10:56 PM · #11
Originally posted by Ja-9:

Originally posted by scarbrd:

send me the original RAW file and I'll take a shot at it.

I'll send you an email to the address on your profile. You can reply to that with the attached files.


Thank you David...I'll look for your e-mail.


Sent
12/30/2009 05:16:52 PM · #12
I like the noise on the second shot, I think it fits in well with the scene and the light. Embrace the grain, it's not always a bad thing!
12/30/2009 05:29:47 PM · #13
Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

I like the noise on the second shot, I think it fits in well with the scene and the light. Embrace the grain, it's not always a bad thing!


Heh, I was going to say the same thing but i actually think the grain works really well in the first shot and not the second!
12/30/2009 05:38:11 PM · #14
Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

I like the noise on the second shot, I think it fits in well with the scene and the light. Embrace the grain, it's not always a bad thing!


Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

I like the noise on the second shot, I think it fits in well with the scene and the light. Embrace the grain, it's not always a bad thing!


Heh, I was going to say the same thing but i actually think the grain works really well in the first shot and not the second!


I agree, but I'm using this on a calender (or would like to) and when you blow this up to 12 X 18 I'm afraid it won't look good at all...your opinion???
12/30/2009 05:44:13 PM · #15
Convert to B & W and see what you think.

Or apply a watercolour filter to them.

Just some ideas.
12/30/2009 06:12:59 PM · #16
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Convert to B & W and see what you think.

Or apply a watercolour filter to them.

Just some ideas.


hadn't thought of that...
12/30/2009 06:26:27 PM · #17
Sent you a PM
12/30/2009 06:45:45 PM · #18
Not really super important, but it also looks like your sensor needs cleaning - There's several really bad dust spots in that shot.
12/30/2009 06:53:15 PM · #19
Originally posted by coryboehne:

Not really super important, but it also looks like your sensor needs cleaning - There's several really bad dust spots in that shot.


I've since gotten a kit with a cool little light that I use to clean the sensor..and yes, it was very dirty when I took these pictures....
12/31/2009 01:45:02 AM · #20
Originally posted by Ja-9:

Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

I like the noise on the second shot, I think it fits in well with the scene and the light. Embrace the grain, it's not always a bad thing!


Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

I like the noise on the second shot, I think it fits in well with the scene and the light. Embrace the grain, it's not always a bad thing!


Heh, I was going to say the same thing but i actually think the grain works really well in the first shot and not the second!


I agree, but I'm using this on a calender (or would like to) and when you blow this up to 12 X 18 I'm afraid it won't look good at all...your opinion???


Not sure about this particular case, but I've often found that what looks bad on screen looks much better once you print it. I had a shot recently that looked a little blurry and had some artifacts from my attempts to clean it up on the computer. Once I printed it though, it looks really good, ended up with a slightly gritty real feeling about it.
12/31/2009 01:57:55 AM · #21
Ouch, 1600 iso. It happens to me sometimes the day after shooting night shots, when I forget to reset the iso back down.
ETA In camera sharpening may have been set to highest option, causing "blooming" grain as well.
It was in Michigan? Maybe it was just a grainy day.

Message edited by author 2009-12-31 02:07:00.
12/31/2009 03:23:30 AM · #22
ISO1600 @1/1250sec for a landscape........why???
Your settings make no sense. That image could have been shot at 1/250sec and dropped the ISO. You need to know what makes sense. In that scene, if my settings came at that, the first thing I would do is check ISO.
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