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12/11/2009 12:00:28 AM · #1 |
| Post your outtakes from the Tilt Shift challenge here. |
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12/11/2009 12:47:12 AM · #2 |
I had so much fun with this. Went to the airport and shot from the parking garage. In the process I learned a lot about what type of image does and doesn't work for this technique.
   
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12/11/2009 02:53:53 AM · #3 |
Entry:
Came in bottom 50% of the challenge. Anyone want to tell me why? Seriously, I'd like to know.
Outtake:
One of many outtakes shot with the Lensbaby, which IS a tilt/shift lens, just not one that does the "miniature" thing like the software trick does. |
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12/11/2009 03:28:45 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Entry:
Came in bottom 50% of the challenge. Anyone want to tell me why? Seriously, I'd like to know. |
I didn't vote - just now checking out the results, but I can give you my top two reasons I think this didn't do so well:
1. Black & White
2. Too steep of an angle - almost directly overhead.
Just my assessment based on what I can see the voters rewarded.
Still an excellent shot, Deb! :-) |
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12/11/2009 03:42:41 AM · #5 |
| Thanks, Ken. I figured the B&W didn't help, but wondered if I just didn't do the technique right. Was kind of hoping it held some interest in not being a transportation scene... ah well. Live and learn! |
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12/11/2009 03:43:38 AM · #6 |
Why wasn't this challenge called "Miniature faking", because that is what it actually is. Not Tilt/Shift.
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12/11/2009 08:26:29 AM · #7 |
 outtake
think my image (at 8th place YA!)was the only one in top 10 to use a tilt/shift lens
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12/11/2009 09:03:17 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Why wasn't this challenge called "Miniature faking", because that is what it actually is. Not Tilt/Shift. |
I hope Langdon takes note of this. This miniaturization is way too easy to achieve in photoshop but creating a tilt shift type effect isn't. |
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12/11/2009 09:22:53 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Why wasn't this challenge called "Miniature faking", because that is what it actually is. Not Tilt/Shift. |
I think that is exactly right, and I think that's the real reason why photos such as Deb's ( Melethia's) didn't do well.
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12/11/2009 10:30:29 AM · #10 |
I suspect this would have fared much better than my entry:
Fun to play with, but required too much processing for what I'm comfortable with in an Advanced challenge. YMMV ;-)
Two more I should have considered:
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12/11/2009 10:55:54 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Why wasn't this challenge called "Miniature faking", because that is what it actually is. Not Tilt/Shift. |
I think that is exactly right, and I think that's the real reason why photos such as Deb's ( Melethia's) didn't do well. |
But... But... Deb said in her notes she was actually *attempting* to fake a miniature, that she (shame, shame!) chickened out on entering a genuine lensbaby...
Me, on the other hand, I entered a lensbaby shot that apparently suffered from looking like it was *trying* to be a miniature, which it wasn't especially, so it fell into never-never land. And penny entered a lovely, genuine lensbaby, nothing miniature about it at all, and it practically got the brown. So, apparently, the "better" a lensbaby was at *being* a lensbaby (as opposed to a miniature scene) the worse it would do.
Which, I admit, peeves me a bit, since we already HAD a miniature challenge, but who am I to say anyway?
R.
Addendum: 9 of 54 entries were shot with lensbaby: they finished 15, 21, 23, 37, 39, 47, 48, 49, 52. Every other entry faked the tilt/shift effect (except a couple that ignored it altogether). That's kind of sad... I guess in a way it isn't, since not that many of us actually HAVE a lens that can tilt/shift.... Ah, what the heck :-(
Message edited by author 2009-12-11 11:11:21. |
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12/11/2009 11:17:39 AM · #12 |
My entry...
and a couple of photoshop outtakes...
 
and the lensbaby shot i was considering
I think i really should have entered the lensbaby shot as, to my mind, it is by far the best photograph of those i made but i had it in mind that i wanted more of a pronounced selective blur, not so much miniature but a bit more obvious that the ride shot, and i left it too late to shoot specifically again. I agree that in some ways it was a disappointing challenge. Not to take anything away from all the fabulous miniatures, and there are some stunning shots, but it is a shame that the challenge was reduced to a miniature challenge. I include my own entry in this of course. I would have loved to see more portraits.
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12/11/2009 12:21:41 PM · #13 |
Clive - This shot would have been a contender IMO. Top 10 at least.
Might've needed a slight processing mod (left comment). |
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12/11/2009 12:28:57 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Clive - This shot would have been a contender IMO. Top 10 at least.
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Agreed. Outstanding image. But at the same time, I *love" the lensbaby image of the carnival ride.
R.
Message edited by author 2009-12-11 12:29:37. |
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12/11/2009 12:38:49 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Clive - This shot would have been a contender IMO. Top 10 at least.
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Agreed. Outstanding image. But at the same time, I *love" the lensbaby image of the carnival ride.
R. |
Thanks. I think you're right. The problem i had with that one was that i spent so much time looking at it and tweaking it i kind of lost all critical distance from it and lost interest. So i tried another shot and got more excited about the haunted house one. It was about 3am and time to submit so i went with the house. |
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12/11/2009 03:13:02 PM · #16 |
Here are my outtakes. I enjoyed shooting for this challenge too. I think it was the challenge description and the fact that so many people think Tilt/Shift images are made from a photoshop action to make things look small. I knew mine was not going to do well but I liked it. :P
     <--ok I made one mini. :P
This was my entry.
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12/11/2009 03:17:07 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
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This one's actually an outstanding example of using the technique for a *reason*; you've located the plane of focus near-to-far on a line to key in two important points in the image. It would be perfect if the foreground house were actually a monastery :-)
R. |
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12/11/2009 03:51:04 PM · #18 |
How many things I learn on this site! I had never heard of tilt-shift photography before and when the results were shown on the first page, I started scrolling them to see interesting ways to use a tlted horizon... I saw one, two, three pictures and said "hey! the horizon is fine but where did all of them find these miniatures of everything???".
And then I learnt :) |
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12/11/2009 06:48:56 PM · #19 |
Frankly this was a pretty lame challenge considering how few people actually used tilt shift, it is very obvious that most entries were just photoshops(and not even great ones at that, even the ribbons are very obvious)
I was really hoping to see some interesting shots, instead we got a lot of bad photoshops.
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12/11/2009 07:50:39 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:
Frankly this was a pretty lame challenge considering how few people actually used tilt shift, it is very obvious that most entries were just photoshops(and not even great ones at that, even the ribbons are very obvious)
I was really hoping to see some interesting shots, instead we got a lot of bad photoshops. |
To be precise, we had 9 lensbaby shots. A couple others made no attempt to tilt/shift in any way. The rest were photoshop manipulations. Nobody used an actual, professional tilt/shift lens. I'm not sure how many of those we even *own*, collectively, but none were used in this challenge. The lensbaby, of course, tilts like nobody's business. Doesn't shift, though...
I, too, was disappointed.
R. |
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12/11/2009 07:56:25 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
To be precise, we had 9 lensbaby shots. A couple others made no attempt to tilt/shift in any way. The rest were photoshop manipulations. Nobody used an actual, professional tilt/shift lens. I'm not sure how many of those we even *own*, collectively, but none were used in this challenge. The lensbaby, of course, tilts like nobody's business. Doesn't shift, though...
I, too, was disappointed.
R. |
a-hem ... I did
85MM PC is a tilt & shift
There are a few about .. |
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12/11/2009 07:58:09 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:
Frankly this was a pretty lame challenge considering how few people actually used tilt shift, it is very obvious that most entries were just photoshops(and not even great ones at that, even the ribbons are very obvious)
I was really hoping to see some interesting shots, instead we got a lot of bad photoshops. |
To be precise, we had 9 lensbaby shots. A couple others made no attempt to tilt/shift in any way. The rest were photoshop manipulations. Nobody used an actual, professional tilt/shift lens. I'm not sure how many of those we even *own*, collectively, but none were used in this challenge. The lensbaby, of course, tilts like nobody's business. Doesn't shift, though...
I, too, was disappointed.
R. |
Sometimes when we don't have the tools needed, we use what is available. Granted it will never be as good as the real thing...but us bad photoshoppers had a choice...don't join in...or use what we have. I apologize if I made your toes curl at the thought of not using a tilt shift lens...but if you are willing to donate one to me...then sure...I will ensure that I use it for future challenges...just to keep the peace!
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12/11/2009 08:13:50 PM · #23 |
First off, I hope this does not come off as whining or complaining, which it sincerely is not intended to be. I also hope I don't offend anyone.
I have been bothered lately with some of the comments surrounding a lot of the entries (including mine) in the Tilt/Shift challenge. When I first saw the challenge, I assumed that I would not be entering since I don't own a lensbaby. However, while reading the posts in the thread "Tilt/Shift? A Thursday Challenge?", I encountered comments by  Bear_Music and  GeneralE that lead me to believe that post-processed miniature shots would be perfectly acceptable:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
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It's not "cheating" make "miniatures" in Photoshop, the whole danged thing s a "cheat" on reality no matter how you look at it...
R.
We even have an on-site tutorial on the subject.
So I decided to enter. After voting started, people started complaining about the lack of real lensbaby shots. I started feeling guilty about my entry for being "fake", but what was done was done.
I did not, and I'm sure that the other "post processed miniature" submitters did not mean to hijack the challenge from it's intended subject matter. And I do really appreciate the votes, great comments, and ribbon on my entry. (and I even recognize that my entry is not the best photoshop job, because I got frustrated trying to implement a layer gradient mask workaround in elements. I resorted to some "brute force" selective blurring/sharpening. This was my first time trying this technique.)
And now it's time to move on to the next challenge and learn some more photography techniques from the great folks on this site! :)
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12/11/2009 08:25:25 PM · #24 |
It's not that I feel anyone did anything wrong, not at all. Sorry if it came off that way. I'm just a little disappointed that the "real thing" didn't compete well with the miniatures in the voters' eyes. Sorry if it sounds otherwise. These are all perfectly legitimate approaches to the challenge, I was just surprised at the preponderance of miniatures to the near-exclusion of anything else a tilt/shift lens might do.
Sorry for any confusion. And, might I add, there are some REALLY cool miniatures in this challenge :-)
R. |
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12/11/2009 10:33:23 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It's not that I feel anyone did anything wrong, not at all. Sorry if it came off that way. I'm just a little disappointed that the "real thing" didn't compete well with the miniatures in the voters' eyes. Sorry if it sounds otherwise. These are all perfectly legitimate approaches to the challenge, I was just surprised at the preponderance of miniatures to the near-exclusion of anything else a tilt/shift lens might do.
Sorry for any confusion. And, might I add, there are some REALLY cool miniatures in this challenge :-)
R. |
No need to be sorry about anything. I can see everyone's point about wanting to see a true challenge with real lensbaby (or actual tilt/shift) lenses. One day I want to get one myself and learn to employ the real technique. I think the fact that the majority of people on the site don't own a lensbaby is why the miniatures were so prevalent. Everyone thought it would be a cool challenge to participate in, just had to find our own ways. As you guys said, one day soon maybe Langdon will announce a stricter tilt/shift challenge. Hope I'm ready when that one comes along also. The side challenge shots were really awesome :)
Message edited by author 2009-12-11 22:33:55. |
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