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 11/29/2009 10:21:49 PM · #1
Adobe DNG converter is useful for nothing except driving me to either upgrade to CS4 or get Lightroom. I have some academic associations and may be able to get academic pricing, but are online sites reputable? Any suggestions? And will Adobe want me to do something extra after I get the software, or will the verification all be handled before the transaction?
 11/29/2009 11:22:44 PM · #2
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Adobe DNG converter is useful for nothing except driving me to either upgrade to CS4 or get Lightroom. I have some academic associations and may be able to get academic pricing, but are online sites reputable? Any suggestions? And will Adobe want me to do something extra after I get the software, or will the verification all be handled before the transaction?


I know you can get the software directly from Adobe with the academic pricing. There are a few hoops to jump through (i.e. verification) which I believe is usually some sort of letter etc. from the institution of higher learning indicating you are a student or teacher. You can buy the software directly from a lot of post-secondary schools as well for just about the same price.

eta: I wish I had doled out the money when I had a valid student ID when I took my last photography course. I guess technically there are limitations on use legally but not practically (i.e. you can't sell your photos) but its not like there's an Adobe rep sitting at your door waiting for someone to buy your images either. Of course that would be another topic of discussion and really related to what you are actually asking.

Message edited by author 2009-11-29 23:24:44.
 11/29/2009 11:28:49 PM · #3
I bought the CS2 suite at the bookstore at a local university, actually on campus.

They even accepted an ID from another university.
 11/30/2009 01:21:31 AM · #4
I've purchased from JourneyEd before and their academic prices are awesome.
 11/30/2009 02:21:23 AM · #5
My kids always ordered from Here, they are great, have been around for a long time.

Frank
 11/30/2009 03:52:04 AM · #6
I got my academic CS4 from the Adobe website.
 11/30/2009 04:21:31 AM · #7
Doc,

For goodness sake you are a doc, not a starving art student. Just buy it already! While you do that, I'll run over and thank my father, a doc, who helped me buy my first version while I was a starving art student (v 2.5 and I've bought enough upgrades since then to buy it almost twice more. I'm all for saving a buck & certainly no grumpiness intended, but geesh.)
 11/30/2009 07:51:24 AM · #8
I just buy through my university's bookstore.
 11/30/2009 09:13:36 AM · #9
I just got my PS CS4 from here. Still waiting on my verification to go through so I can get my serial number. I've had the software for a week but can't use it.

Originally posted by Tom:
I've purchased from JourneyEd before and their academic prices are awesome.
12/01/2009 12:49:39 AM · #10
LOL, Cristy, wonder if he's carrying a ton of debt? ;-) Ditto for Academic Superstore, have helped deserving folks buy Adobe products there and they are quite reputable.
 12/01/2009 01:20:31 AM · #11
Even with "academic associations," does the software license cover your intended use being that it obviously not for academic purposes? That would be just like some company lifting an image from the internet to use without the proper licensing, wouldn't it?
 12/01/2009 01:30:24 AM · #12
In theory, you are not supposed to use "academically-licensed" software for "commercial" use, though "personal" use should be fine. However, once you have a valid copy, you (at the appropriate time) can upgrade just like anyone else, and the upgrade is restriction-free -- part of the idea of academic pricing is that if you learn on their software, you will continue to use (and buy) it once you get out of school and into the workforce.
 12/01/2009 01:51:14 AM · #13
Originally posted by GeneralE:
In theory, you are not supposed to use "academically-licensed" software for "commercial" use, though "personal" use should be fine. However, once you have a valid copy, you (at the appropriate time) can upgrade just like anyone else, and the upgrade is restriction-free -- part of the idea of academic pricing is that if you learn on their software, you will continue to use (and buy) it once you get out of school and into the workforce.


That's not what the licensing says...

The Adobe Student Editions are for College Students only. If you are an educator, staff member or K-12 student, click here.

Seems pretty clear to me.
 12/01/2009 02:03:40 AM · #14
I didn't mention anything about eligibility, only to what uses it can be put assuming it is legitimately purchased. Also, I think that language is relatively new, and that previous versions were available to anyone with an educational affiliation.

I still think that once you purchase an upgrade you then have the "full" version to use without restriction.
 12/01/2009 02:06:37 AM · #15
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Even with "academic associations," does the software license cover your intended use being that it obviously not for academic purposes? That would be just like some company lifting an image from the internet to use without the proper licensing, wouldn't it?


Wouldn't it be best to actually read the EULA before you go spouting something like this?

Lightroom EULA mentions nothing about "commercial use" or "academic purposes" or anything like that...

As far as who can use it...from Adobe's site:

Educators, students, and educational institutions can purchase Adobe products at discounted prices by ordering through the Adobe Education Store or an Adobe Authorized Education Reseller.

Message edited by author 2009-12-01 02:07:57.
 12/01/2009 02:08:06 AM · #16
From the adobe website:

//www.adobe.com/education/purchasing/qualify.html
Student Editions (U.S. and Canada — for higher education students only)

Student Edition products are for purchase by higher education students only. A higher education student is defined as a full- or part-time student enrolled at an accredited public or private university or college (including community, junior, or vocational college) that grants degrees requiring not less than the equivalent of two years of full-time study.

It would seem very unethical, even hypocritical in this particular situation, to buy an academic version and use it for anything other than what Adobe licenses it for. Of course, this is just my opinion. No matter if you're upgrading it later or not, if you don't fit the license, you don't fit the license.
12/01/2009 02:10:16 AM · #17
Originally posted by ericwoo:
From the adobe website:

//www.adobe.com/education/purchasing/qualify.html
Student Editions (U.S. and Canada — for higher education students only)

Student Edition products are for purchase by higher education students only. A higher education student is defined as a full- or part-time student enrolled at an accredited public or private university or college (including community, junior, or vocational college) that grants degrees requiring not less than the equivalent of two years of full-time study.

It would seem very unethical, even hypocritical in this particular situation, to buy an academic version and use it for anything other than what Adobe licenses it for. Of course, this is just my opinion. No matter if you're upgrading it later or not, if you don't fit the license, you don't fit the license.


Ummm, I believe "Student Editions" and Academic versions are different. Student Editions, as far as I know, are bought en masse by the institutions and sold similarly to a site license...
 12/01/2009 02:13:16 AM · #18
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by ericwoo:
From the adobe website:

//www.adobe.com/education/purchasing/qualify.html
Student Editions (U.S. and Canada — for higher education students only)

Student Edition products are for purchase by higher education students only. A higher education student is defined as a full- or part-time student enrolled at an accredited public or private university or college (including community, junior, or vocational college) that grants degrees requiring not less than the equivalent of two years of full-time study.

It would seem very unethical, even hypocritical in this particular situation, to buy an academic version and use it for anything other than what Adobe licenses it for. Of course, this is just my opinion. No matter if you're upgrading it later or not, if you don't fit the license, you don't fit the license.


Ummm, I believe "Student Editions" and Academic versions are different. Student Editions, as far as I know, are bought en masse by the institutions and sold similarly to a site license...


True, but it is still very specific that it is for personal use only:

Other individual end user purchases — eligibility

Qualified examples

* Qualified individuals who acquire Educational Software Products for their own personal use but not for further distribution or transfer and who have presented to reseller Appropriate Identification of current status as:
o Students enrolled in grades K–12 at an accredited public or private primary or secondary school providing full-time instruction
o Full- or part-time students enrolled at a higher education institution defined as an accredited public or private university or college (including community, junior, or vocational college) that grants degrees requiring not less than the equivalent of two (2) years of full-time study
o Full- or part-time faculty and staff employed by an accredited K–12 or higher education institution
o Other qualified examples as listed by Adobe from time to time on its website or in other written communication

Or, maybe we feel differently about ethical situations when it saves us a few bucks...

Message edited by author 2009-12-01 02:14:07.
 12/01/2009 08:56:42 AM · #19
here is the site my school recommends:

//www.logisoft.com

I haven't had time to look thru about licensing but I know I can order from them as a faculty member.
 12/01/2009 09:22:28 AM · #20
Originally posted by Ristyz:
Doc,

For goodness sake you are a doc, not a starving art student. Just buy it already! While you do that, I'll run over and thank my father, a doc, who helped me buy my first version while I was a starving art student (v 2.5 and I've bought enough upgrades since then to buy it almost twice more. I'm all for saving a buck & certainly no grumpiness intended, but geesh.)


I'm sure the good Doc has expected me to post this since he started the thread, however I have had to bite my tongue. LOL But I agree his intended use is to sell his artwork and not for academic use of any sorts. He needs to pay retail like the rest of us. Come on doc Pony up! LOL

Matt
 12/01/2009 12:03:58 PM · #21
This is sort of a bizarro conversation, but can someone just point me to where Adobe says that if you take advantage of academic pricing on Lightroom you are restricted in its use?

More importantly, will Lightroom provide what I need which is a way to read 5D2 RAWs without converting to DNG. Can I work the RAW up in Lightroom and then save as a PSD file?
 12/01/2009 12:31:26 PM · #22
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
This is sort of a bizarro conversation, but can someone just point me to where Adobe says that if you take advantage of academic pricing on Lightroom you are restricted in its use?

More importantly, will Lightroom provide what I need which is a way to read 5D2 RAWs without converting to DNG. Can I work the RAW up in Lightroom and then save as a PSD file?


Lightroom will do what you need it to do.

There are actually no restriction on it's commercial use in North America, however outside of that it is limited only to Private use and no commercial use is allowed. However unless you meet this criteria you cannot qualify to buy it.

Who can purchase and use the Student Editions?

Only full- or part-time students enrolled at a higher education establishment, defined as an accredited public or private university or a college that grants degrees requiring not less than the equivalent of two (2) years of study, or students enrolled at an accredited public or private school providing full-time instruction are eligible.

This page should answer your questions.

Matt
 12/01/2009 12:44:25 PM · #23
You, like woo, are confusing "student edition" with "academic pricing". I agree "student editions" are for students. That's not what I'm planning on purchasing.

But in the end I'm either going to qualify or not, I don't think the peanut gallery needs to help me on that. It was the EULA that was in question and as far as I can see the notion that somehow I would be doing something against the EULA is false.
 12/01/2009 12:57:28 PM · #24
"Academic Pricing", as Doc points out, is way different from (and more expensive than) "student pricing". As far as I know, there are no real EULA limits on use of the Academic-priced product. Indeed, for several years I was using that... My neighbor, with the publishing business, is also a bona-fide "academic" by Adobe's guidelines, and she bought the product so we could use it in publishing. Mine was the only machine it was installed on. She specifically queried Adobe on the legality of this and got the go-ahead.

In any event, I have my own, licensed copy now.

R.
 12/01/2009 01:01:21 PM · #25
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
You, like woo, are confusing "student edition" with "academic pricing". I agree "student editions" are for students. That's not what I'm planning on purchasing.

But in the end I'm either going to qualify or not, I don't think the peanut gallery needs to help me on that. It was the EULA that was in question and as far as I can see the notion that somehow I would be doing something against the EULA is false.


You are not doing anything against the EULA if you do qualify. However to qualify for academic pricing and not being a reseller, you must meet the same qualifications, or be a full time or part time employee of the reseller.

//www.adobe.com/education/purchasing/qualify.html

Matt
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