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11/16/2009 08:23:04 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by TrollMan:
So I guess our job is done here. Let's get someone else. Who's next??  :-P |
Judi... That hair color *cannot* be natural...
R. |
You will never know!!!! LOL!
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11/16/2009 08:28:41 PM · #127 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by TrollMan:
So I guess our job is done here. Let's get someone else. Who's next?? :-P |
Judi... That hair color *cannot* be natural...
R. |
You will never know!!!! LOL! |
Is that because of Nair? :P |
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11/16/2009 08:28:58 PM · #128 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Breaking rules like this is a gateway to doing things like killing ladybugs for art. Beware Nuzzer! |
I, for one, will never forget the massacre of the ladybugs...
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11/16/2009 08:33:21 PM · #129 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by TrollMan:
So I guess our job is done here. Let's get someone else. Who's next?? :-P |
Judi... That hair color *cannot* be natural...
R. |
You will never know!!!! LOL! |
Is that because of Nair? :P |
Ewww....no way...that stuff stinks...nope....razor blades...lol!
But as that is not 47 steps outside my front door....you will never know about that either...hahahaha!!!
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11/16/2009 08:37:01 PM · #130 |
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11/16/2009 08:55:25 PM · #131 |
Well I just wanna point out that with my shot I followed the rules to the T at the risk of not getting a very exciting shot and not doing very well. I counted the steps out exactly (even included the co-ordinates)and as i live on the 6th floor of an apartment block that meant turning right when I walked out my front door. Took 35 steps straight along the passage flanked by the balcony railing on my right and the passage wall on my left. Stopped took 6 steps at an angle of about 60 degrees to the right. Stopped up against the balcony railing of the passage...took 6 steps at an angle of about 60 degrees again to the left this time. Stopped with my nose up against the wall of the balcony passage, turned around 90 degrees on that spot and took my shot. Well the shot is not very exciting and did not do very well either. But it was FUN. :) I had however hoped to get some more comments.
Ps. I had to turn left and right at 60 degrees as the passage is only about 4 feet wide so I couldn't just turn at 45 degrees and take 6 steps.
Message edited by author 2009-11-16 21:04:40. |
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11/16/2009 11:25:04 PM · #132 |
Originally posted by 3DsArcher:
So nair but yet so far |
lol, cracked me up.
I'll just say one thing about this whole mess - I dislike DNMC's as much as the next guy, but to the folk who went over the top with their reaction to this particular entry and photographer... I'm really saddened. Although, I'm much more disappointed with the OP actually. As a dpc veteran, he should have known the reaction a thread like this would cause. I think apologies should have been required from both sides. |
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11/17/2009 01:14:29 AM · #133 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Although, I'm much more disappointed with the OP actually. As a dpc veteran, he should have known the reaction a thread like this would cause. I think apologies should have been required from both sides. |
If not by Robert, then the discussion would have been started by someone else.
Lots of people feel very cheated by this, and there is nothing wrong with voicing that opinion (as long as it is done in a decent and civil manner).
We can only hope that it might stop someone else from doing the same thing to us next time. |
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11/17/2009 01:31:52 AM · #134 |
Originally posted by elsapo:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
I hated the guy in the 2s challenge. |
You hated me? lol you don't even know me. That 2 second challenge 3 years ago is probably the worst decision I've made in 21 years so really how bad can I be? |
Yeah, see the past tense. It was for a week or so. It was the first time that the wording of a challenge and the openness made a situation like this possible. I still remind that everytime it happens again.
People who "cheat" at DPC should be thrown into the deepest dungeon for the rest of their life!
And the key in the deepest well.
Water and bread!
:p
Can't remember calling names btw, and never sent angry PM's. Which is totally uneccesary for a digital ribbon contest.
Message edited by author 2009-11-17 01:36:55.
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11/17/2009 01:32:58 AM · #135 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Although, I'm much more disappointed with the OP actually. As a dpc veteran, he should have known the reaction a thread like this would cause. I think apologies should have been required from both sides. |
So if a newbie started all this it would have been ok?
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11/17/2009 01:47:55 AM · #136 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by 3DsArcher:
So nair but yet so far |
lol, cracked me up.
I'll just say one thing about this whole mess - I dislike DNMC's as much as the next guy, but to the folk who went over the top with their reaction to this particular entry and photographer... I'm really saddened. Although, I'm much more disappointed with the OP actually. As a dpc veteran, he should have known the reaction a thread like this would cause. I think apologies should have been required from both sides. |
I think we take this site a little too serious sometimes. No apologies are needed, IMO. Robert just like everyone else should be allowed to express their opinions on a challenge after it's over. Nothing he said was derogatory. He at least brings credibility to the subject given his respect in the community and his experience. Frankly, I wish we encourage this behavior from more of our vets. There's certainly a lot that can be learned.
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11/17/2009 02:35:52 AM · #137 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
It would be nice if everyone played along in the spirit of the game, but some will do whatever is allowed, and life goes on. |
Agreed!!!
This thread is funny as hell. This is what I'm reading;
"Listen folks, I'm really sorry that you all feel that I cheated and shoehorned an entry because I NEED to have my image in a challenge. You see, I cant hold back because, well, you see I'm special. That's right and I really think I did you all a favor by showing you that the rules really are not what you think they are and that's okay because well ..... I don't really care what you think and my BRAIN is BIGGER than yours. No worries, you shouldn't feel bad because there are many other fools just like you that are trusting and naive. Now regarding my entry, there is no reason I should feel compelled to withdraw my entry because if I did, you wouldn't learn a damn thing now would you?? Besides, now that I've said I'm sorry and let you know I'm not going to request a self DQ, it doesn't mean I don't respect your thoughts and feeling, it just means my brain is STILL bigger than yours! Now, you may applaud me for my red herring and only wish your brain will be a third of the size of mine one day! You may now hug me."
I'm sorry if you all feel I ridiculed the insincerity of words and no actions. I hope you all have learned from my lesson too and will now embrace me as I too am a long standing member
This ends today's lesson.
Message edited by author 2009-11-17 02:39:06. |
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11/17/2009 02:59:45 AM · #138 |
| This reminds me of the 2-second challenge, whereas the details were specific that your image was to be shot at a 2-second shutter speed. I missed out on a ribbon because two out of the top three admitted they did not stick to the 2-second theme. I agree with the OP here - it just ticks me off. |
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11/17/2009 03:32:37 AM · #139 |
Its the discrepectfull attitude that upsets me. It destroys trust ....Yes we can take this place too seriously sometimes but being down right deceitfull then bragging about it is just, well, very disappointing.
Message edited by author 2009-11-17 03:38:52. |
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11/17/2009 07:58:08 AM · #140 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
It would be nice if everyone played along in the spirit of the game, but some will do whatever is allowed, and life goes on. |
Agreed!!! |
Burrrrrn. Now that's what I call leading by example!
Originally posted by Ivo:
This thread is funny as hell. This is what I'm reading;
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This ends today's lesson. |
+1 |
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11/17/2009 08:09:43 AM · #141 |
I won't read the whole thread. But i think that this "spirit" of the challenge you are talking about is all about meeting the challenge or not. The intention of making a 47 steps challenge is to give people a chance to see nice chances of shot just 47 steps to their houses, or in their houses. This kind of image is totally unfair with the people who did it wright IMO.
I would feel like a stupid if i had entered this challenge with a shot that made me count steps and everything else and saw a great result with nothing like that.
The shot is great though and it's placed well, but it should be in a landscape or freestudy challenge or something.
Message edited by author 2009-11-17 08:12:18. |
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11/17/2009 08:33:07 AM · #142 |
You know what really scares me at this point is the large amount of people that seem to think Nuzzer's actions were ok and are mad at people for accusing him of essentially cheating. It really makes me question the integrity of the site in general. Are perhaps many more people bending other rules each challenge(editing, time period, etc.) than we think?
Perhaps we should change the way we use the Challenge Descriptions.
1. Ditch Challenge Descriptions entirely and just make it a Free Study every week.
- If you really think that he did nothing wrong, then why not get rid of the descriptions. Why would anyone want to submit to a contest where following the description puts them at a disadvantage. (I'd hate to have been the 6th place photo here and lose an HM because I followed the description and someone else did not!)
2. Actually have the Challenge Descriptions be part of the rules
- Create new DQ rule that says that a) a deliberate intention to fool the voters into thinking you met the challenge or b) not using the technique/method/parameters in the challenge description will cause a DQ.
I know that #1 is just me venting, but #2 seems real obvious to me. We want the winners to be the best photos that meet the challenge description, as opposed to photos that ignore the descriptions on the grounds that there is no rule against it.
Here are some examples.
Wildlife in the Wild - Zoo shots will be DQ'ed
2 Sec Challenge - Non 2 second shutter speed images will be DQ'ed
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11/17/2009 09:08:14 AM · #143 |
well said IVO!
this piqued my attention:
Originally posted by nuzzer:
You may find it hard to believe but I would prefer challenges where we were not able to shoehorn like this. It is not feasable to do that as you would need to restrict the topics so much as to almost kill DPC. |
I don't know what you're playing at man, but I don't understand why you think that because some people act like spoiled brats that you think this gives you license to do the same thing.
You clearly state that you shoehorned an image that you knew was completely inappropriate. That's the attitude that gives me a problem. You said that your intent was not to insult people, but merely to put the image in the challenge.
Why do you think that these are not the same thing? I mean you did it totally deliberately and knowingly, then you told people about it as if you don't feel a need to follow guidelines that everyone else follows.
Dude, I teach kids. I've taught them for 7 years. When I see attitudes like this, I do something about it. It surprises me that you, as an adult, feel that this is an acceptable type of behavior.
I also fail to see how you feel that it would not be feasible to make challenges so people could not shoehorn like this. I do not understand why you think that this would kill DPC.
Imagine for a second that every single image in the challenge actually met the challenge description. Perhaps there were a few that did not, but they got DQ'd by the hypothetically perfect (for this scenario) SC. How exactly does that kill DPC?
If this challenge had been 'DNMC=DQ', would you feel that it had been 'killed' or ruined in any way? No. What would be tragic for you is that your image would not have been permitted. That would be an inconvenience for you, but hardly a 'site-killer'. Indeed, if everyone participated with their best effort on the challenges as they were intended, how would that be a problem for what DPC is?
FWIW, I would never have known one way or another, and I didn't vote on it. I don't care that you got xth place. I have actually lived in places and seen plenty of places where 47 steps would have gotten you right in the water in a similar scene, let alone to the beach, so that's not it. It's all about the way you present yourself and your idea.
I don't buy your apology because basically it says 'I'm sorry, but I'm still going to do it again later'. On the other hand, I don't need your apology. I do however expect you to behave as an adult and observe the same basic standards of conduct that we all observe. |
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11/17/2009 10:36:22 AM · #144 |
Originally posted by bobnospum:
You know what really scares me at this point is the large amount of people that seem to think Nuzzer's actions were ok and are mad at people for accusing him of essentially cheating. It really makes me question the integrity of the site in general. Are perhaps many more people bending other rules each challenge(editing, time period, etc.) than we think?
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That's got me worried too. |
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11/17/2009 10:47:22 AM · #145 |
kind of like how coffee cups now all have 'caution contents are hot' stamped on them because one fool burned their lap by spilling the coffee... ?
i see no reason why the disrepect shown by a couple members should affect the site overall. that idea would likely cause the interpretation of the themes to fall into the laps of a handful of members, namely site council...
as an exmaple. i request a validation of an image of a 'water drop on a thorn branch' entered in a 'self potrait' challenge. who decides if the photo meets the spirit of the challenge - the voters originally have their say with a vote, or comment - but if it doesn't pass validation all those individual interpretations are lost...
the current issue is about deception, there was no interpretation available as a voter. there was no underlying theme to the challenge. the only time i think your idea might have merit is with some of these ambiguous themes. and even with this one - it would be hard to prove.
Originally posted by bobnospum:
2. Actually have the Challenge Descriptions be part of the rules
- Create new DQ rule that says that a) a deliberate intention to fool the voters into thinking you met the challenge or b) not using the technique/method/parameters in the challenge description will cause a DQ.
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11/17/2009 11:11:29 AM · #146 |
Originally posted by bobnospum:
You know what really scares me at this point is the large amount of people that seem to think Nuzzer's actions were ok and are mad at people for accusing him of essentially cheating. |
If you look, people are not so much accusing him of cheating (which is in itself untrue), they are eviscerating him and dragging him down into the mud. People are acting like he committed some outrageous sacrilege. It's fairly ridiculous. Is this a group of adults, or what?
The most amusing thing is the usual duplicitousness you find around here. Out of one side of the mouth is the whining about low scores because photos are too "out of the box" for the "rules nazis", and out of the other side of the mouth is this insult-laced griping about something that isn't even a rule. |
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11/17/2009 11:13:23 AM · #147 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by bobnospum:
You know what really scares me at this point is the large amount of people that seem to think Nuzzer's actions were ok and are mad at people for accusing him of essentially cheating. |
If you look, people are not so much accusing him of cheating (which is in itself untrue), they are eviscerating him and dragging him down into the mud. People are acting like he committed some outrageous sacrilege. It's fairly ridiculous. Is this a group of adults, or what?
The most amusing thing is the usual duplicitousness you find around here. Out of one side of the mouth is the whining about low scores because photos are too "out of the box" for the "rules nazis", and out of the other side of the mouth is this insult-laced griping about something that isn't even a rule. |
Just for the record, I think hell may have frozen over. Or pigs have started flying. or something. :P
I agree totally with you Louis. |
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11/17/2009 11:16:12 AM · #148 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
I do however expect you to behave as an adult and observe the same basic standards of conduct that we all observe. |
I sure hope you're not pointing to some of the participants here or in the comments on that photo as examples of standard conduct he should observe. Sorry, but when you stack up his "error" (which in my view was no error at all) and his follow-up against the reactions of some to this situation, I sure know who I''d point out to any kids I was in charge of as an example of good behaviour. |
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11/17/2009 11:16:48 AM · #149 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Just for the record, I think hell may have frozen over. Or pigs have started flying. or something. :P |
Whatever it was, I'm sure it was miraculous. ;-) |
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11/17/2009 11:20:07 AM · #150 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by bobnospum:
You know what really scares me at this point is the large amount of people that seem to think Nuzzer's actions were ok and are mad at people for accusing him of essentially cheating. It really makes me question the integrity of the site in general. Are perhaps many more people bending other rules each challenge(editing, time period, etc.) than we think?
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That's got me worried too. |
same here, where's the integrity if you can't even trust that others are trying to shoot in the same parameters as you are. it's one thing to submit something that is your interpretation of a theme, but to enter something that you know will decieve voters in hopes to ribbon is really in poor taste.
and it surprises me that some actually support the idea of entering a challenge with a shot that knowingly is a deception. |
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