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11/13/2009 12:48:53 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
More art snob comments would be wonderful. Anything to balance out the literalist technical orthodoxy and the pedantic kneejerk rulemongers ;-) |
Yes, although the few who used to attempt to critique the odd image here or comment with some degree of thoroughness and sincerity no longer do. |
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11/13/2009 12:54:34 PM · #27 |
DPC is a place where you can't win. If you don't comment, then there are 1000 posts in the scores thread abut "trolls" (aka person who didn't give you a score above a 5) scoring low and not commenting. Then if you comment, there is a bunch of thread about how you didn't leave the right comment. Its too short, its too long, I dont want you telling me what you don't like, I dont wnat you telling me what oyu do like, etc.
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11/13/2009 01:01:15 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by AJSullivan:
DPC is a place where you can't win. If you don't comment, then there are 1000 posts in the scores thread abut "trolls" (aka person who didn't give you a score above a 5) scoring low and not commenting. Then if you comment, there is a bunch of thread about how you didn't leave the right comment. Its too short, its too long, I dont want you telling me what you don't like, I dont wnat you telling me what oyu do like, etc. |
OR... you don't pay attention to the complaints and just continue to do what you think is right. After all, the comments are yours; i.e. not theirs. If you don't comment; it's also your descision.
Don't let single individuals with a different taste than yours make you think you can't win. You are you; they are them. Enjoy your time here (that's probably also why you keep coming back, right?) :)
EDIT: and oh yeah... I'm definitely an art snob! Put up with it or suffer :P
Message edited by author 2009-11-13 13:07:36. |
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11/13/2009 01:12:20 PM · #29 |
This is an arena where criticism is the name of the game. People give out scores and are invited to comment; thus, if you submit to receive scores, you're also submitting to receive comments... since you can't say "I just want high scores," you can't really say "I just want non-criticism comments" either. Now if there was an extra option* for that, it'd be okay. For now, though... stop complaining. Complain about "art snobs" in galleries or in other places where the works are displayed exclusively to be enjoyed, not on a contest website.
*Before introducing the subscriber-only "critique" feature, deviantART had a drop-down box that included critiquing options. They were (and I'm paraphrasing here) "No preference," "I don't want critiques," and "Advanced critiques encouraged." There was a huge box that told commenters what the user's preference was. Something like that could be implemented, with the submitter choosing one of the three four:
"No suggestions" - commenters encouraged to leave comments such as "Touching" or "I don't feel a connection" that are about the photograph as a work of art, or "I'm tired of splashes" that show a person's preference of subject matter.
"Critiques preferred" - commenters encouraged to leave technical comments that try to help the photographer improve, or explain what they would've changed, such as "Try a deeper DOF" or "The centered composition doesn't work."
"Anything goes" - commenters are free to leave either of the above
"No comments" - comments disabled completely
I don't think a "favorable comments only" would be a good idea... if you're just expecting that, then you're probably treating this site as a gallery rather than a contest. |
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11/13/2009 01:23:26 PM · #30 |
Maybe there should be three check boxes when submitting:
a: I would like a critique by an a$$-kisser.
b: I would like a critique by an unsatisfiable art-snob.
c: I am a sensitive artist, so here's what I would like my critique to say: _______________________________________________
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11/13/2009 01:26:31 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
they are (the "do it my way or I'll pee in your cheerios" school of life)?
R. |
Originally posted by Wildfire9:
but it's the stuffy-headed-gallery-minded art snobs that troll about that piss me off.
BAH-HUMBUG! |
Taken wildly (perhaps) out of context, I am trying to visualize an art piece that would incorporate this theme described here - oh, and not be snobbish.
:-))
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11/13/2009 01:30:01 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It's so refreshing to have a thread biching about no comments running concurrently with one that bitches about getting comments, don't you think? |
I must agree. One of the most entertaining gripe threads in quite some time.
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11/13/2009 01:43:03 PM · #33 |
Yea, them artsy fartsy folks can get eartating, but sometimes help a bit, just the other day one pointed out I had blown highlights, so I went and checked the light switch, and low and behold he was right, and one was out.
Then there are times they are just showing off what they got. One day one guy was talking about thirds, thirds! Heck round here yer lucky to get a small slice, and thankful for that.
Sometimes they get insulting. More than once I̢۪ve been called a shallow dof, now I might not be the smartest peach in the orchard, but I studied real hard and got my diploma from Mrs. Fitzgerald from the Element Tree School.
I guess you can̢۪t take them artsy fartsy̢۪s too serious, but they are good at checking on yer light bulbs. |
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11/13/2009 01:44:21 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by skewsme:
More art snob comments would be wonderful. Anything to balance out the literalist technical orthodoxy and the pedantic kneejerk rulemongers ;-) |
Yes, although the few who used to attempt to critique the odd image here or comment with some degree of thoroughness and sincerity no longer do. |
I know, they give out "awards" instead, named after an infamous DPC pedant. |
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11/13/2009 01:48:38 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Wildfire9:
Sometimes people don't want an in depth critique, sometimes they just want to post an image to see how it does. |
I believe you are looking for flickr -- they are just down the hall and to the left.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Com'on, someone had to. :P
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11/13/2009 01:51:03 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by cdrice:
I believe you are looking for flickr -- they are just down the hall and to the left.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Com'on, someone had to. :P |
Excellent point. On DPC, you get low votes, on Flickr, a mediocre shot just gets ignored. You just have to interpret the meaning of a loud silence. |
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11/13/2009 01:53:47 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by alans_world:
...you can̢۪t take them artsy fartsy̢۪s too serious, but they are good at checking on yer light bulbs. |
But dark's cozier. |
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11/13/2009 02:02:20 PM · #38 |
PLEASE! I'm a newbie and i asking you "art snobs" to go to my profile and give me feedback on my images. It will be a pleasure to receive constructive comments and reasons why you gave me low/high scores.
Thanks you bunch of helpfull snobs. :D |
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11/13/2009 02:38:55 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
On DPC, you get low votes, on Flickr, a mediocre shot just gets ignored. You just have to interpret the meaning of a loud silence. |
Ah, that explains why I really get more than a dozen views and the occasional rare comment on my Flickr photos... |
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11/13/2009 02:50:31 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Excellent point. On DPC, you get low votes, on Flickr, a mediocre shot just gets ignored. You just have to interpret the meaning of a loud silence. |
Agreed. My other unspoken (well until this post), ;) and underlying dig at flickr being that any feedback you *do* get is always good feedback, albeit pretty useless. "Great shot!" "Love the [buzzword]" My personal favorite: "WOW".
Flickr is great for an ego boost... dpc is great for a reality check.
It's like taking uppers and downers -- like mixing coca---err, I should probably stop this analogy at this point. ;) :P
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11/13/2009 03:00:24 PM · #41 |
I wish there was a button that people could click if they didn't want comments. I'll take the comments, whether they come from art snobs, teenagers that have no clue how to be tactful, people who are ecstatically happy and just say "wonderful! 10" (I especially like the last kind...)
When people complain about comments, others are less likely to comment, and unfortunately, that ruins it for the rest of us who appreciate any type of feedback. Hey Langdon, give them a button so they don't have to receive comments on their pictures, please! thanks! |
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11/13/2009 03:03:17 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I wish there was a button that people could click if they didn't want comments. I'll take the comments, whether they come from art snobs, teenagers that have no clue how to be tactful, people who are ecstatically happy and just say "wonderful! 10" (I especially like the last kind...)
When people complain about comments, others are less likely to comment, and unfortunately, that ruins it for the rest of us who appreciate any type of feedback. Hey Langdon, give them a button so they don't have to receive comments on their pictures, please! thanks! |
How long after they click that button will they complain about "trolls" voting low on thier image and they dont know why? haha. |
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11/13/2009 03:05:57 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by cdrice:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Excellent point. On DPC, you get low votes, on Flickr, a mediocre shot just gets ignored. You just have to interpret the meaning of a loud silence. |
Flickr is great for an ego boost... dpc is great for a reality check. |
Couldn't agree more.
"Criticism is something we can avoid easily by saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing"
-Aristotle
May I please join your 'Art Snob' club now? :) |
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11/13/2009 03:07:07 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I wish there was a button that people could click if they didn't want comments. I'll take the comments, whether they come from art snobs, teenagers that have no clue how to be tactful, people who are ecstatically happy and just say "wonderful! 10" (I especially like the last kind...)
When people complain about comments, others are less likely to comment, and unfortunately, that ruins it for the rest of us who appreciate any type of feedback. Hey Langdon, give them a button so they don't have to receive comments on their pictures, please! thanks! |
I will be honest. If I see an image in a challlenge up for voting that has a box marked as "i don't want comments", I will likely mark it down. Sorry I don't like the idea of a button.
If you don't want to see comments, don't bother submitting the image in the first place. |
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11/13/2009 03:11:08 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Spartizzle:
Originally posted by cdrice:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Excellent point. On DPC, you get low votes, on Flickr, a mediocre shot just gets ignored. You just have to interpret the meaning of a loud silence. |
Flickr is great for an ego boost... dpc is great for a reality check. |
Couldn't agree more.
"Criticism is something we can avoid easily by saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing"
-Aristotle
May I please join your 'Art Snob' club now? :) |
I actually think that DPC is more of an ego booster as well, just looking at voting threads, a lot of people here worry about things like "Average Vote Cast" and helpful comments, so people tend to hold back and give skewed voting (see the thread where numerous people said they don't vote below a 5, no matter what)
I think on Flickr you get a more honest reaction, as anyone commenting for any reason is doing so by choice because the image moved them one way or another. |
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11/13/2009 03:18:15 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by AJSullivan:
I actually think that DPC is more of an ego booster as well, just looking at voting threads, a lot of people here worry about things like "Average Vote Cast" and helpful comments, so people tend to hold back and give skewed voting (see the thread where numerous people said they don't vote below a 5, no matter what)
I think on Flickr you get a more honest reaction, as anyone commenting for any reason is doing so by choice because the image moved them one way or another. |
I believe you just proved the point of this rediculous thread.
The votes that include comments, while many may be negetive, are worth at least something and should be utilized as a tool to better ones work.
A mere number doesn't really teach us anything IMO. |
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11/13/2009 03:19:58 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by tate:
Maybe there should be three check boxes when submitting:
a: I would like a critique by an a$$-kisser.
b: I would like a critique by an unsatisfiable art-snob.
c: I am a sensitive artist, so here's what I would like my critique to say: _______________________________________________ |
best post in this thread and almost completey ignored. where can i leave my comment?
seriously folks....i'm a noob, but isn't the idea of dpc simple...it keeps us learning and it makes us keep looking for a new shot to meet the current challenge...?
i thought people here had thicker skins, based on the threads i've seen.
-Joe |
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11/13/2009 03:24:13 PM · #48 |
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11/13/2009 03:26:41 PM · #49 |
Awesome!
I give your picture a 6. Needs more color. ;) |
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11/13/2009 03:54:59 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
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While showing the contrast of the upper and lower classess, vis a vi the commuunist manifesto, this image speaks to the soul of a new generation and as such is a symbol for the infinite and god-like desire to achieve imortality. Also all the highlights are blown! 6
Message edited by author 2009-11-13 15:55:31. |
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