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11/13/2009 01:43:13 PM · #26 |
As an aside, the gunman originally noted here is not apparently very bright. When he woke up and realized he indeed was not dead, he asked for a lawyer. This negates any hope for an insanity plea. Crazy people don't ask for lawyers...
And yes, I do fear the possibility of a crossfire issue. I did wonder about that in Iraq where you cannot eat without your weapon AND ammunition on your person, though your weapon is supposed to be unloaded. I asked one of my coworkers why we would possibly need weapons in a chow hall and he said "what if a terrorist stood up and threatened to blow the place up?" And I'm thinking a) if you shoot him he'll probably still explode, and b) if everyone around him starts shooting, they'll end up shooting each other, which would do essentially what the terrorist intended without any actual detonation. |
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11/13/2009 01:59:34 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
b) if everyone around him starts shooting, they'll end up shooting each other, which would do essentially what the terrorist intended without any actual detonation. |
Exactly what I think. And this also brings the issue of clearly identifying the threath. After the Virginia Tech tragedy (and Dawson, closer to me), people start to say that if student were armed, they could have stop the guy. But in my head I don't see that as easily. Let's say the "bad guy" is menacing someone and a brave and armed student shoot him down before he can do any arm. Around the corner another, brave and armed, student hears a gunshot, when he turns the corner all he sees is a dead guy on the floor and someone standing with a smoking gun.... what do you think his reaction will be? And we are discussing it calmly in front of our computer. In a real life or death situation, you don't think, you react. I don't see the situation going anywhere else than from bad to worst. When you are armed and scared you'll probably end up shooting anybody unidentified with a gun in their hands.
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11/13/2009 02:03:48 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
I can't remember any incidents where anyone got shot at school back then. |
School massacres are not a new phenomenon, nor are school shootings a suddenly novel idea. The difference is that schools in the "good old days" would try to avoid publicity for fear of damaging their reputations or having parents pull their kids out. There was little reason to fear weapons in school simply because the violence wasn't as well known or sensationalized. And then came TV and the internet, with instant global coverage of every horror in great detail. Having more weapons available does not increase safety. |
This jolted my memory of this huge UK/Australian Pop hit in 1979...
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11/13/2009 03:00:08 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by vtruan:
A trained soldier would have used one shot at that range, no cross firing, just a dead Muslim terrorist. |
Absolutely, and the world would be a better place as a result. :)
And with trained shooters all a crossfire would mean is more lead in the terrorist when it was all over.
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11/15/2009 12:05:17 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by vtruan:
A trained soldier would have used one shot at that range, no cross firing, just a dead Muslim terrorist. |
Absolutely, and the world would be a better place as a result. :)
And with trained shooters all a crossfire would mean is more lead in the terrorist when it was all over. |
Yes indeed... like victims of friendly fire and crossfire can attest to.
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