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Nikon Nikkor Z 24-120 f/4 S

10/26/2009 12:27:01 PM · #26

Originally posted by David Ey:

If you are going to mark my comment as not helpful, I want to know WHY it was not helpful....and not just some one or two word bs either.

For example let's just say that you just started photography and you're a know it all. Then you decided to leave me a comment about how to do something and I've been a professional photographer for 25+ years. You then leave me a comment about how I did something wrong which in reality you were wrong to begin with. It's not a negative comment but being that I've been a professional photographer for 25+ years I think I would know how to take a picture. Thanks for your comment but nothing you said to me was helpful.

OR

I have a really crappy image because I'm new to both photography and the site and you leave me a comment that says "poor", or "bad lighting". Well thanks you mind telling me what I COULD do to improve the lighting? Do you have a site or something I could look at, maybe you could give me a few pointers when you have time. Again "Thanks for your comment but it was not helpful to me".

bassbone

Nikon Z8

10/26/2009 12:30:51 PM · #27

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

I'd rather have a box that could be checked with a submission to indicate if comments are desired at all. That way commenting efforts are not expended on the people who do not want the feedback.

What are you going to use with this little box? Are we going to use it to "show em" we don't like the comment? Or is there another purpose I don't understand yet?

Why do we always feel the need to provide a negative comment back when someone does something that we perceive as negative? I would suggest that we rise above the fray.

Nikon Nikkor Z 24-120 f/4 S

10/26/2009 12:32:19 PM · #28

Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I'd rather have a box that could be checked with a submission to indicate if comments are desired at all. That way commenting efforts are not expended on the people who do not want the feedback.

What are you going to use with this little box? Are we going to use it to "show em" we don't like the comment? Or is there another purpose I don't understand yet?

Why do we always feel the need to provide a negative comment back when someone does something that we perceive as negative? I would suggest that we rise above the fray.

Why do you only see it as a negative?

bassbone

Nikon Z8

10/26/2009 12:33:34 PM · #29

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I'd rather have a box that could be checked with a submission to indicate if comments are desired at all. That way commenting efforts are not expended on the people who do not want the feedback.

What are you going to use with this little box? Are we going to use it to "show em" we don't like the comment? Or is there another purpose I don't understand yet?

Why do we always feel the need to provide a negative comment back when someone does something that we perceive as negative? I would suggest that we rise above the fray.

Why do you only see it as a negative?

"Not" is a negative.

citymars

Nikon D700

10/26/2009 12:34:19 PM · #30

Maybe we could add a similar rating system for forum posts. :-D

EDIT to add: suggestion not directed at any particular post.

Message edited by author 2009-10-26 12:36:38.

glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

10/26/2009 12:35:02 PM · #31

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

I'd rather have a box that could be checked with a submission to indicate if comments are desired at all. That way commenting efforts are not expended on the people who do not want the feedback.

I agree. This idea has been posted in the Website Suggestions previously. Probably the best place to put this is on the user preferences page.

10/26/2009 12:36:28 PM · #32

Originally posted by bassbone:

"Not" is a negative.

Yeah sure in the politically correct world of English literature but "NOT" does "NOT" need to represent a negative statement.

10/26/2009 12:36:51 PM · #33

Originally posted by bassbone:

What are you going to use with this little box? Are we going to use it to "show em" we don't like the comment? Or is there another purpose I don't understand yet?

Check the box when I upload my challenge entry to indicate that I want feedback. Then use it when I am voting to see who wants comments and who does not. That way my commenting efforts are not expended on someone who is not interested in my feedback.

Examples of what I am talking about, from Worth1000:

10/26/2009 12:37:48 PM · #34

Originally posted by citymars:

Maybe we could add a similar rating system for forum posts. :-D

EDIT to add: suggestion not directed at any particular post.

We already have this, it's at the top of the page, in the drop down menu called "ignore". Same thing different word.

glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

10/26/2009 12:38:47 PM · #35

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by bassbone:
What are you going to use with this little box? Are we going to use it to "show em" we don't like the comment? Or is there another purpose I don't understand yet?

Check the box when I upload my challenge entry to indicate that I want feedback. Then use it when I am voting to see who wants comments and who does not. That way my commenting efforts are not expended on someone who is not interested in my feedback.

Examples of what I am talking about, from Worth1000:

Hmmm...just thought of something. If the challenge entry comes up without a comment box are some people going to take that as a negative that could impact voting? For example, thoughts like "oh, this person doesn't want comments - they must be perfect.". :-P

10/26/2009 12:42:44 PM · #36

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Not myself. I would just figure it was someone who may be out to connect with a select few, but is not really interested in receiving a critique about what they did intentionally.

10/26/2009 12:43:20 PM · #37

Originally posted by glad2badad:

I agree with that one, I don't think you should give each individual person the ability to ask for comments or not. Besides the programing for that would just be a PITA. I'm going to stick by the lets just add a simple "this comment was not helpful" and see how it does in the ~~real~~ DPC world.

glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

10/26/2009 12:46:29 PM · #38

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Hmmm...just thought of something. If the challenge entry comes up without a comment box ...

... Besides the programing for that would just be a PITA. ...

Actually, programming for that would be pretty straight-forward. Check for a flag (from preferences) and hide/show based on flag value. Already done in other pieces of DPC.

10/26/2009 12:56:58 PM · #39

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Hmmm...just thought of something. If the challenge entry comes up without a comment box ...

... Besides the programing for that would just be a PITA. ...

Actually, programming for that would be pretty straight-forward. Check for a flag (from preferences) and hide/show based on flag value. Already done in other pieces of DPC.

What I was saying was that adding a check box to the scripts already would be easy but added the ability for each user to ask/deny comments on each image would be a PITA.

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

10/26/2009 01:00:06 PM · #40

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

What I was saying was that adding a check box to the scripts already would be easy but added the ability for each user to ask/deny comments on each image would be a PITA.

The checkbox and corresponding line is all that Worth1000 uses. The comment box is still there and someone can still leave comments if they desire.

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

10/26/2009 01:04:30 PM · #41

Out of the 5822 comments on my images, I have 20 not checked as helpful. 16 of those 20 are replies by me (and cannot be marked), of the other 4, two just say "no", one says "Flower.1" and the other one was by a smart-alec teenager who was giving out some nasty comments at the time. FWIW, I mark all my comments as helpful as an acknowledgement of thanks to the people that bothered to take the time to write something. Whether negative or postive it is helpful because it tells me how people feel. I already feel slightly insulted when I take the time to comment and the person can't be bothered to check the box, I think I'd feel more insulted if they checked a box that said "Not helpful". I think if it came to that point I would only comment on images by people I interact with regularly after the voting is over. I don't critique images when voting, I comment. It's a comment box, not a critique box.

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

10/26/2009 01:29:18 PM · #42

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Why would 'excellent', 'good' and 'fantastic' be more welcomed? The associated warm-fuzzy feeling?

Duh!.....8>)

Yeah, that really pisses me off when people leave comments like that! LOL!!!

Seriously, I do leave the occasional "Exquisite" comment on the rare image that just blows me away.

I really don't think I can improve much on that if I'm moved to leave that as my comment.

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

The unhelpful box would be used to indicate disagreement rather than helpfulness. Maybe we need to just get over the fact that commenting is subjective and not everyone will have the 'correct' opinion about our images.

Personally, the box works fine.

I don't see the comments as anything other than the viewer conveying exactly what he/she wants to convey.

If I get a comment thatr just says, "Rubbish!", I don't need a paragraph to indicate that the viewer didn't like it.

Though I may not agree that the image is rubbish, if I missed the mark to that viewer that badly, I'm going to at least try and look at it to determine why.

And then move on.....

I tick the box purely as an acknowledgement that the comment was read and received.

Message edited by author 2009-10-26 13:30:18.

citymars

Nikon D700

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/26/2009 01:39:07 PM · #43

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

Originally posted by citymars:
Maybe we could add a similar rating system for forum posts. :-D
EDIT to add: suggestion not directed at any particular post.

We already have this, it's at the top of the page, in the drop down menu called "ignore". Same thing different word.

I said posts, not threads. There are sites that allow users to indicate whether a forum post contributes to a thread or not. Posts that get a set number of negatives are hidden from view unless the reader opts to see them.
Anyhow, it wasn't a serious suggestion for this forum.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

10/26/2009 01:49:05 PM · #44

Just because I "disagree" with a comment doesn't mean it can't be helpful -- I almost always find it helpful to know how some stranger perceives/interprets the image, even if what they find "wrong" with it was quite intentional.

Sometimes a comment of "rubbish" or "crap" is perfectly appropriate ... ;-)

David Ey

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

10/26/2009 02:36:47 PM · #45

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by David Ey:
If you are going to mark my comment as not helpful, I want to know WHY it was not helpful....and not just some one or two word bs either.

This idea strikes me as possibly a bit ironic, in some cases. If someone left a comment saying "crap" and I marked it as not helpful, I think such minimal feedback on the minimal comment is appropriate. Of course, if one leaves a lengthy analysis about the image, and it is marked not helpful, then the commenter would certainly wonder why.

That was tongue-in-cheek :) I left off the smiley thinking everyone would would know.

David Ey

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

10/26/2009 02:41:05 PM · #46

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Sometimes a comment of "rubbish" or "crap" is perfectly appropriate ... ;-)

EstimatedEyes

Fujifilm GFX 50R

Fujifilm GF 45mm f/2.8

10/26/2009 02:49:06 PM · #47

I agree the wording on the "This Comment Is Helpful" box could be better. I interpret "helpful" as "did the comment help me understand your perception of my image." In that light, almost all the comments I get are helpful, even when I disagree with the commenter. Still, the wording leaves the nagging feeling that if you check the box you agree with the commenter. I don't particularly like unhelpful, but how about a check box that says:

Thank you for taking the time to comment on my image.

You could then keep the "helpful" comment for use where you really want to thank someone for an insightful comment that helped you improve your photography

David Ey

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

10/26/2009 03:34:25 PM · #48

Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:

.... but how about a check box that says:

Thank you for taking the time to comment on my image.

You could then keep the "helpful" comment for use where you really want to thank someone for an insightful comment that helped you improve your photography

Looks good to me.

Message edited by author 2009-10-28 12:16:02.

Azrifel

Nikon Coolpix P340

10/26/2009 03:57:19 PM · #49

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

I just think that I should have the option of telling someone that their comment isn't helpful without coming straight to them and saying "your comment wasn't helpful". creating a check box would let user "soandso" know that he has xxx number of comments that he left and were not helpful to the people he left them too.

I have left some very helpful comments, that went into a lot of detail in the past. Out of all comments they were not marked helpful and some even wrote to me to tell me how bad my comment was. The basic line was that the comment on their crap photo that scored a 5, did not suck up to their huge ego. It has turned me away from commenting at all, let alone leave helpful comments. Fact is that there is a considerable crowd who only likes "you are so great" comments.

The medicine might be worse than the illness.