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 10/19/2009 11:38:42 AM · #76
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by ben4345:
I have 2 other similar photos of that . As for comp errors, I know the rules, I chose to break them.


Maybe next time stick to `em eh? ;P


Maybe you should STFU and get back on topic

Message edited by author 2009-10-19 11:44:28.
 10/19/2009 11:46:21 AM · #77
Originally posted by ben4345:
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by ben4345:
I have 2 other similar photos of that . As for comp errors, I know the rules, I chose to break them.


Maybe next time stick to `em eh? ;P


Maybe you should STFU and get back on topic


What topic - oh yeah - bride not happy with poorly composed photos. OK then, lets continue.
 10/19/2009 12:00:26 PM · #78
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by ben4345:
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by ben4345:
I have 2 other similar photos of that . As for comp errors, I know the rules, I chose to break them.


Maybe next time stick to `em eh? ;P


Maybe you should STFU and get back on topic


What topic - oh yeah - bride not happy with poorly composed photos. OK then, lets continue.


1: Didn't ask for a critique
2: only one "bad" photo you are focusing on. (also proves my point on not sending the rejects)
3: sending you link of all the photos, makes a locked album, a moot point. Also put me in breach of contract.
4: maybe I am not as perfect as you are, for some reason, I can't access any of your event work.
5: Bride is complaining about quantity not quality.

Message edited by author 2009-10-19 12:01:08.
 10/19/2009 12:13:04 PM · #79
Originally posted by ben4345:
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by ben4345:
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by ben4345:
I have 2 other similar photos of that . As for comp errors, I know the rules, I chose to break them.


Maybe next time stick to `em eh? ;P


Maybe you should STFU and get back on topic


What topic - oh yeah - bride not happy with poorly composed photos. OK then, lets continue.


1: Didn't ask for a critique
2: only one "bad" photo you are focusing on. (also proves my point on not sending the rejects)
3: sending you link of all the photos, makes a locked album, a moot point. Also put me in breach of contract.
4: maybe I am not as perfect as you are, for some reason, I can't access any of your event work.
5: Bride is complaining about quantity not quality.


1. welcome to the internet. it happens.

2. You only gave us a handful out of 270+ - not many to look at really.

3. will check. did you have a contract then? well done.

4. a. heh, I have a looooooong way to go my friend. b.event work is contracted and therefore private. no links to galleries from the website.

5. fair enough. so you came on here for a moan, not advice, not pointers, just a slap on the back and "she's obviously mad" comments.
 10/19/2009 01:06:14 PM · #80
She's obviously mad, and so is Simms. Therefore Simms' negative opinions are actually positive.

10/19/2009 01:17:17 PM · #81
both Simms and ben4345 are allowed to enter the whiners and crybaby challange :)


10/19/2009 01:18:09 PM · #82
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
She's obviously mad, and so is Simms. Therefore Simms' negative opinions are actually positive.


This is too deep for my poor, aging brain...

R.
 10/19/2009 01:21:35 PM · #83
Originally posted by ben4345:
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by ben4345:
I have 2 other similar photos of that . As for comp errors, I know the rules, I chose to break them.


Maybe next time stick to `em eh? ;P


Maybe you should STFU and get back on topic


Ben - I think people here are giving you honest, heartfelt feedback and instead of getting defensive, try and listen.

From personal experience, I've seen and heard client issues, manifest themselves in so many different ways. So, when you're hearing one thing it's actually (quite often) another issue altogether that led you down that path.

Personally, I could not have charged for the images you posted. That's to say, my clients would not have been happy and I would have been in a bad spot. That might be worth noting or dismissing, as you wish, assuming some things are universal regarding wedding photography. Breaking the rules well is tricky business and better saved for more artistic situations, than those where a lot of people need to be pleased or in commercial work.

I'll leave it at this...

Posting this kind of thread and then rejecting feedback from people that earn a living doing this type stuff, isn't very good form. Take it or leave it but do listen.

Cheers
 10/19/2009 01:25:08 PM · #84
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Personally, I could not have charged for the images you posted. That's to say, my clients would not have been happy and I would have been in a bad spot. That might be worth noting or dismissing, as you wish, assuming some things are universal regarding wedding photography. Breaking the rules well is tricky business and better saved for more artistic situations, than those where a lot of people need to be pleased or in commercial work.


OTOH, I'm guessing you charge more than $400. You get what you pay for, of course, and perhaps the bride is realizing this. When I got married we didn't have much money and we went with a friend's dad for photos. It was inexpensive, but the pictures are barely acceptable. In fact, probably only a few are decent.
 10/19/2009 01:44:22 PM · #85
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
OTOH, I'm guessing you charge more than $400...


I've done a few weddings for free, as a gift, a few for money and shot back-up a number times but the price was never a factor in the work. Try to do the best you can and get hired back. Get hired back and never post these threads and you WIN!

Outside of the bride and groom being happy (or unhappy) there's a larger picture. If the guests are impressed...Viola...more work! More money! More happiness!

Maintaining good relationships and keeping your reputation in tact carries more weight than a few dollars, in the end. If that's what's coming into question? So, I agree with the "you get what you pay for" thang BUT don't want to ever be the guy that phrase is being applied to...No way!

Message edited by author 2009-10-19 18:22:52.
 10/19/2009 01:54:39 PM · #86
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
OTOH, I'm guessing you charge more than $400...


I've done a few weddings for free, as a gift, a few for money and shot back-up a number times but the price was never a factor in the work. Try to do the best you can and get hired back. Get hired back and never post these threads and you WIN!

Outside of the bride and groom being happy (or unhappy) there's a larger picture. If the guests are impressed...Viola...more work! More money!

Maintaining good relationships and keeping your reputation in tact carries more weight than a few dollars, in the end. If that's what's coming into question? So, I agree with the "you get what you pay for" thang BUT don't want to ever be the guy that phrase is being applied to...No way!


I have to agree with Steve.
 10/19/2009 02:29:27 PM · #87
Oh yeah, I agree with Steve too. I've only done one wedding, and I did it for free and it was a choice between my pictures or nothing and I made them fully understand that it was possible zero pictures would turn out. With those expectation, everything came out just fine. :)
 10/19/2009 02:30:52 PM · #88
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Personally, I could not have charged for the images you posted. That's to say, my clients would not have been happy and I would have been in a bad spot. That might be worth noting or dismissing, as you wish, assuming some things are universal regarding wedding photography. Breaking the rules well is tricky business and better saved for more artistic situations, than those where a lot of people need to be pleased or in commercial work.


OTOH, I'm guessing you charge more than $400. You get what you pay for, of course, and perhaps the bride is realizing this. When I got married we didn't have much money and we went with a friend's dad for photos. It was inexpensive, but the pictures are barely acceptable. In fact, probably only a few are decent.


Yup, price shouldn't be a factor in how well you shoot someone's wedding - the thing here - Ben actually takes a pretty nice photograph as you can see in his portfolio/challenge entries - so to me his skill shouldn't be an issue here. However, he dipped his toe into the shark infested water that is wedding photography and got bitten.

Wedding photography is hard, to produce consistently good quality work takes time and most of all experience - you do have to be quite hard-nosed as well - trust me, I have taken my fair share of stinkers over the years - but you learn from it - from your self-critique and more importantly from the critique of your peers. I am my own worst critic when it comes to my photography - I am super harsh with myself when it comes to my work - maybe unfairly so - but I know that I am still a thousand miles from what I want to be within this industry - I can visualise the style I want, but its going to take me a while to achieve it consistently - not only do I need to hone my own skills, but I need to attract the right clientèle who share my vision of where I want my wedding photography to go.
The style I want to achieve will break some of the `rules`, but I want to break them with a couple I know are willing to take the time and the chance with me instead of ones who want the more generic style - nothing wrong with that, but I need to move forwards not get stuck in a rut.

Ben, please don't let your bad experience with this bride put you off - I would suggest maybe assisting as a second shooter for a bit longer - I might of come across as a bit shitty earlier, but as you know this old dog will bite when you rattle his cage. I will always offer critique on ANY wedding photos, but I wont sugar-coat my comments - if you/anyone post wedding images and ask me to critique then I will do honestly.

Good luck.

Kiss and make up?

10/19/2009 03:39:56 PM · #89
Originally posted by Simms:

Kiss and make up?

Girly, girly, Simms is a girly ;¬P
 10/19/2009 03:43:16 PM · #90
it's not his fault though :)


10/19/2009 04:12:37 PM · #91
I can understand the problem here, but surely there is another alternative to try and resolve this issue of the photo with the divorced parents.

I know when my daughters got married(not at the same time, or to each other) there were at least four people taking pictures, in addition to the 'official' photog. These four people were all fairly competent photogs, even my eight year old grandson! We combined all our photos to make an alternative album for them.

Why not get the bride to ask her guests if any of them happened to get the required photo, if so, then offer to edit it to printable quality for her.

Not only does she get what she desires, but you get the kudos of being the pro and producing the end result, regardless of who hit the shutter button.

Did I just say 'BUTTON'!! Congrats Jenson Button, F1 World Champion...

Sorry, for that:) This option could be worth a try.
 10/19/2009 05:12:47 PM · #92
Originally posted by SaraR:
Originally posted by Simms:

Kiss and make up?

Girly, girly, Simms is a girly ;¬P


True, but that was quite the response he gave. I think he just gave the perfect example of how to be professional. Except for the kissing part.
 10/19/2009 06:07:45 PM · #93
Originally posted by Ken:
[quote=SaraR] I think he just gave the perfect example of how to be professional. Except for the kissing part.


Yeah...the kissing part made me physically ill. I may need to take a long break from DPC, for a few hours. ;P
 10/19/2009 06:15:48 PM · #94
Originally posted by SaraR:
Originally posted by Simms:

Kiss and make up?

Girly, girly, Simms is a girly ;¬P


You know me Sara, any port in a storm.
 10/19/2009 06:32:12 PM · #95
BC = before coffee this means that I am grumpy and will attack ANYONE who mocks me in the slightess, that means you Simms.

I don't think my photos are bad, not the best either. I too am my worst judge, as I said before, the bride isn't complaining on quality.

I am unable to decipher what some of you are saying, as for whether the photos are ok or not.


10/20/2009 03:19:55 AM · #96
Originally posted by ben4345:
BC = before coffee this means that I am grumpy and will attack ANYONE who mocks me in the slightess, that means you Simms.

I don't think my photos are bad, not the best either. I too am my worst judge, as I said before, the bride isn't complaining on quality.

I am unable to decipher what some of you are saying, as for whether the photos are ok or not.


1) Be hard nosed
2) Take advice from a couple of people here who although at times have been a bit personal...if you read between the lines have actually had their best intentions with them. I have certainly learned from this thread.
3) Then dont interpret/decipher. It is a bit unfair to evaluate the wedding shoot based just on the pics presented but it certainly did not help to settle any doubts people have had here. BUT as you say..the issue for the bride is quantity not quality. We would then again here have to give you the benefit of the doubt as to the quality of the best pics. If you really are interested in "are the photos ok or not" im sure there are a host of excellent photographers wo would be all to willing to help..but not when their advice gets thrown back at them. It is very easy to take things all to personal when one has to rely on the pure typing and not also see the person at the other end)

I whish you all the best with the next wedding should you choose to venture again into this challenging field

Message edited by author 2009-10-20 03:24:33.
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