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10/17/2009 02:18:14 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I think paranoia is overcoming good sense. There is so much free stuff out there, what makes you all think that this site is becoming the world's biggest target for image thieves?
Really and truly, if this is an issue for you, it's just that......YOUR issue, and it's your responsibility for the sucurity of YOUR images.
If it's so important, why are you putting images up here anyway?
How many of you who are so adamant about the site doing something have really had images pirated and used in inapropriate ways?
I've really not seen much in the way of griping in the three years I've been here by the people I would most likely want to steal images from......what about them?
How much have you lost? Did you register the copyrights to the specific image?
If you think an image is that good, why wouldn't you go to great lengths to protect it?
You know how easy it is to steal an image......why do you want someone else to do your security work for you?
This site is about a digital photography contest.....compete, or not, but if you don't want an image stolen, either YOU take whatever steps are necessary to make sure someone can't steal it, have legal recourse to go after them, or for the bazillionth time, DON'T POST 'EM ON THE WEB!!!!! |
I have had my images pirated and used in inappropriate ways from this site. Inappropriate in the sense the jerks have not received permission to do so. Inappropriate in the way that the venue I trust to implement basic security measures prohibits me from removing MY OWN challenge images thus leaving them available to piracy. It obviously has not affected you but it has many others. The financial loss is difficult to quantify but the loss in trust is increasing. Stock agencies have remedied this problem as they seek profit from my image gallery. This site seeks profit from my image gallery as well. There is not difference in the benefit but there is a huge difference in the governance.
Do I gripe? Yes. Is it a gripe to hear my own voice? No.
This is a form of identity theft for goodness sake. |
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10/17/2009 02:28:16 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I think paranoia is overcoming good sense. There is so much free stuff out there, what makes you all think that this site is becoming the world's biggest target for image thieves?
Really and truly, if this is an issue for you, it's just that......YOUR issue, and it's your responsibility for the sucurity of YOUR images.
If it's so important, why are you putting images up here anyway?
How many of you who are so adamant about the site doing something have really had images pirated and used in inapropriate ways?
I've really not seen much in the way of griping in the three years I've been here by the people I would most likely want to steal images from......what about them?
How much have you lost? Did you register the copyrights to the specific image?
If you think an image is that good, why wouldn't you go to great lengths to protect it?
You know how easy it is to steal an image......why do you want someone else to do your security work for you?
This site is about a digital photography contest.....compete, or not, but if you don't want an image stolen, either YOU take whatever steps are necessary to make sure someone can't steal it, have legal recourse to go after them, or for the bazillionth time, DON'T POST 'EM ON THE WEB!!!!! |
I have had my images pirated and used in inappropriate ways from this site. Inappropriate in the sense the jerks have not received permission to do so. Inappropriate in the way that the venue I trust to implement basic security measures prohibits me from removing MY OWN challenge images thus leaving them available to piracy. It obviously has not affected you but it has many others. The financial loss is difficult to quantify but the loss in trust is increasing. Stock agencies have remedied this problem as they seek profit from my image gallery. This site seeks profit from my image gallery as well. There is not difference in the benefit but there is a huge difference in the governance.
Do I gripe? Yes. Is it a gripe to hear my own voice? No.
This is a form of identity theft for goodness sake. |
Seriously?!? Identity theft? Using your unbelievable and amazing images, they are taking money out our your pocket, gaining credit in your name, and just leaving your life in shambles? Give me a break. If your are worried about your precious images being used inappropriately there Ansel, just keep them all tucked away on your personal computer and that will never, ever happen. Financial losses are difficult to quantify because they don't exist. Where else do you have your 'stolen' images up for sale for use in the manner that the 'stole' files are being used. Let me guess...nowhere. This is a site for posting and sharing images so that we and others can learn. I hardly believe that anyone having an image used here is left in financial ruins or with someone else riding around in a motor yacht in their name. If you don't want it to happen, stop posting them. |
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10/17/2009 02:30:26 PM · #78 |
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10/17/2009 02:34:31 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
I have had my images pirated and used in inappropriate ways from this site. Inappropriate in the sense the jerks have not received permission to do so. It obviously has not affected you but it has many others. The financial loss is difficult to quantify but the loss in trust is increasing. Stock agencies have remedied this problem as they seek profit from my image gallery. This site seeks profit from my image gallery as well. There is not difference in the benefit but there is a huge difference in the governance.
Do I gripe? Yes. Is it a gripe to hear my own voice? No.
This is a form of identity theft for goodness sake. |
Okay.....what basic security measures do you require?
Is that going to be enough for that guy over there? What about her needs? What if the site doesn't meet hers????
What do you mean by: Inappropriate in the way that the venue I trust to implement basic security measures prohibits me from removing MY OWN challenge images thus leaving them available to piracy.
Was there any promise made for said security measures? Again, are you obligated to participate?
I'm not use where you were going with the issue affecting me, but to clear that up I have had an image stolen......guess what? I do kinda care.....truth be told, when I saw where it ended up, I was pretty flattered. Since it's an image that I have not been able to sell, I pretty much figure it's getting exposure it wouldn't any other way.
What images I have sold are fine art, from galleries and shows......the images that I compete with here.
Funny thing? The images that I've won with elsewhere, and sold, haven't done all that well here.....and the ones that I've done well with here haven't garnered me much in the way of sales. So it doesn't much concern me.
You have to be responsible for yourself, whether it's your follow-up, or registering a copyright, and being willing to pursue it in court.
Why is that the site's responsibility? Isn't it enough to have no less than a half dozen tech-heads tell you how easy it is to circumvent every single security suggestion put forth?
I'm also in the same court as those who would become disinclined to participate should watermarks start showing up.
Is there really and truly any justifiable reason to put the onus of security for your image on anyone else? |
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10/17/2009 02:37:57 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
This site seeks profit from my image gallery as well. |
Just to satisfy my curiosity, what does this mean? I don't understand it. |
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10/17/2009 02:40:39 PM · #81 |
| How many of you watermark the images you post in your portfolio, and if you don't, why not? The only DPC prohibition on watermarks is for challenge entries -- you are free to deface anything else you post here. |
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10/22/2009 11:36:15 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
How many of you watermark the images you post in your portfolio, and if you don't, why not? The only DPC prohibition on watermarks is for challenge entries -- you are free to deface anything else you post here. |
Usually, the photos I upload for challenges are much better (cough...hopefully) than what I may put in my DPC portfolio. The object when entering a challenge is to do well - so, best foot forward.
Many times I'll take those same challenge entries and post them to various stock sites (along with outtakes that don't get posted here at all). The stuff that goes in the portfolio is fun stuff that usually I'm not attempting to sell anywhere (except for maybe DPC Prints).
Really, a simple checkbox on the challenge entry upload form could be selected by the photographer as to whether they want the photo watermarked AFTER the challenge has finished voting. Doing it automatically based on the checkbox selection, and only for those that want it. |
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10/23/2009 12:17:00 AM · #83 |
I thought words like '' if you are afraid someone might steel your photos, then don't post them at all on the Internet '' would be considered stupid thing to say in a photography community!!
Seriously. People .. wake up .. Internet presents more than 90% if not more of photography advertisement .. ask any photography how do you advertise your work and they will say websites, photography community ..
I've mentioned it in another thread and mentioning it here. There are people on this site that make a living out of photography, or use the money made out of it to finance their photography purchases. Not submitting any photograph online is simply stupid. Just search for wedding on Flickr and see how many thousands of photographers are advertising their work in there, all are watermarking and posting small resolution.
There might be people here who don't care if someone stole their images or not. People who might be very good at photography, but know nothing about business or simply don't care about making money of it.
This is the last place I thought I'd see things like:
- Don't post online.
- SO what if they stole or printed your picture ..
These people are simply ignorant, you are not only losing pictures, you are losing money, you are losing your business, you are losing the chance to upgrade your equipment, you are losing the chance of realizing how good your picture are and how to make money out of it. If you don't care .. then fine, submit your full resolution pictures with a RF rights and let people use it as they like.
But I'd like to have my pictures watermarked. Or kept in low resolution.
And seriously, having the vote at the front page is not fair, knowing that the majority of the voters are free users or people that don't care about their work theft!!
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10/23/2009 12:17:11 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
How many of you watermark the images you post in your portfolio, and if you don't, why not? The only DPC prohibition on watermarks is for challenge entries -- you are free to deface anything else you post here. |
Yea--quick look (not exhaustive by any means) doesn't reveal lots of watermarked images in the portfolios of those so adamant about getting this feature for challenge entries. |
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10/23/2009 12:19:24 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Seriously?!? Identity theft? Using your unbelievable and amazing images, they are taking money out our your pocket, gaining credit in your name, and just leaving your life in shambles? Give me a break. If your are worried about your precious images being used inappropriately there Ansel, just keep them all tucked away on your personal computer and that will never, ever happen. Financial losses are difficult to quantify because they don't exist. Where else do you have your 'stolen' images up for sale for use in the manner that the 'stole' files are being used. Let me guess...nowhere. This is a site for posting and sharing images so that we and others can learn. I hardly believe that anyone having an image used here is left in financial ruins or with someone else riding around in a motor yacht in their name. If you don't want it to happen, stop posting them. |
Holy Moly... why so emotional over his opinion??? so what if he values his images and feels he's losing revenue due to the "lack of security" from the site... it's not effecting you in anyway.. It's undisputable that people have had their images stolen and they have LOST revenue because of that.. Why is that so hard to believe... I'm not saying I have.. I'm just saying, it's not "inconceivable" in the words of one of my favorite movie charectors..
I can't see ANYTHING negative coming from a site that offers the option to the photog to allow additional protection on their images regarding theft.. Take it or leave it.. If you view it as childish and simple and not effective, then don't use it.. If you think it helps and you get a better nights sleep, then use it.. LOL.. How hard is this..
Just because someone can still take your car doesn't mean you don't buy one with an alarm.. |
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10/23/2009 12:23:16 AM · #86 |
I would think it obvious that applying an "optional" watermark only after the challenges are completes, or only when viewed by non-members, or any of the other suggestions which have been made over the years, is not quite so simple to code as it is to describe, or it would have been done by now. The idea is not being ignored, but I don't think it's at the top of the priority list either.
I still think the fact that so few (portfolio) images are currently watermarked must say something about just how strongly (or not) people feel about this ... |
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10/23/2009 12:31:09 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I would think it obvious that applying an "optional" watermark only after the challenges are completes, or only when viewed by non-members, or any of the other suggestions which have been made over the years, is not quite so simple to code as it is to describe, or it would have been done by now. The idea is not being ignored, but I don't think it's at the top of the priority list either.
I still think the fact that so few (portfolio) images are currently watermarked must say something about just how strongly (or not) people feel about this ... |
Why not an On/Off Watermark? Regardless during or after challenge?
Btw, you can look at it in a different way, not allot of members '' Including me '' are posting here due to lake of security?!! and Posting somewhere else, it is an idea that worth studying.
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10/23/2009 01:18:34 AM · #88 |
I think and I am not trying to be a jackass here. But if you are a professional photographer and you are making a living taking pictures, You probably would fair better if you were not taking part in online ametuar photography contests. When is the last time you seen a challenge entry by Joey Lawrence?
It sucks that people steal photos. But that is how the things go on the internet. It is not just photographs, It is Music, Videos, Writen Word, You name it if it is on the internet, Someone is going to be interested in finding a way to use it. If I were out to make money with any of my pictures, I would certainly not post those photos here on DPC or any other open forum site. You are just asking for it. And further more, unless you use a side to side top to bottom watermark. They are useless too. Because anyone with some good photoshop skills can remove a small watermark fairly easy. a little cloning some healing brush and it is gone. I do not see it worth while to argue it to death here. DPC (not DPC Prints) is for fun and games and should not be thought of as a place to improve your sales. Make your own websites for your business and let DPC remain a place to have fun and learn. All this bitching lately. About file size watermarks etc is getting tired. It is bad for DPC, When potential new members log on and see all the complaining, How many of them decide based on that they would rather not join a community if you can still call it that who are always having a pissing match about this or that.
Everyone should just relax a little bit. Bring the fun back to DPC...
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10/23/2009 01:39:16 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I would think it obvious that applying an "optional" watermark only after the challenges are completes, or only when viewed by non-members, or any of the other suggestions which have been made over the years, is not quite so simple to code as it is to describe, or it would have been done by now. The idea is not being ignored, but I don't think it's at the top of the priority list either.
I still think the fact that so few (portfolio) images are currently watermarked must say something about just how strongly (or not) people feel about this ... |
The complexity of the coding is neither here nor there.. If it can't be done, then it can't be done.. If it CAN BE DONE, then IT CAN BE DONE.. It's a matter of choice, and as you put it, it's not a priority.. The site will never know the revenue they are losing from potential members because of this issue..
As for the portfolio's, I think the site follows trends, that's all.. Watermarks are looked down upon on this site and so why would anyone use them.. Adults are just like teenagers in highschool in a lot of ways still.. There are followers & leaders.. The leaders chose to not use them, therefore the followers... well, you can fill in the rest. |
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10/23/2009 02:02:04 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I think and I am not trying to be a jackass here. But if you are a professional photographer and you are making a living taking pictures, You probably would fair better if you were not taking part in online ametuar photography contests. When is the last time you seen a challenge entry by Joey Lawrence? |
You are ignoring a huge category of photographers, semi pros and advance ametures, these people still join these kind of compitisions and make '' some '' money of their photography.
Trust GOD but lock your car!!
Message edited by author 2009-10-23 02:28:49.
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10/23/2009 03:45:57 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
If you don't care .. then fine, submit your full resolution pictures with a RF rights and let people use it as they like.
But I'd like to have my pictures watermarked. Or kept in low resolution. |
IMO the resolution of 640 and 720px is low resolution.
And all the other stuff you can watermark yourself.
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10/23/2009 04:12:55 AM · #92 |
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
I thought words like '' if you are afraid someone might steel your photos, then don't post them at all on the Internet '' would be considered stupid thing to say in a photography community!! |
Having someone use your small images without permission is a really silly thing to worry about to me. I don't post my bank account and passwords online because it isn't secure. Neither is posting an image no matter how you watermark it. Get over it.
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
Seriously. People .. wake up .. Internet presents more than 90% if not more of photography advertisement .. ask any photography how do you advertise your work and they will say websites, photography community .. |
Yep. I agree.
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
I've mentioned it in another thread and mentioning it here. There are people on this site that make a living out of photography, or use the money made out of it to finance their photography purchases. Not submitting any photograph online is simply stupid. Just search for wedding on Flickr and see how many thousands of photographers are advertising their work in there, all are watermarking and posting small resolution. |
I have an easy solution for you here...go post your stuff on Flickr and deface it all you want. This site is built on the foundation that challenge entries cannot be watermarked. If you don't like it, don't enter challenges. I make a substantial amount of my income with photography. I post here, I post on Flickr, and I post of several other sites. I very rarely watermark anything unless it is an image that a client is proofing. I have not noticed the loss of one single penny because someone "stole" a digital image of mine and used it somewhere. It they were using the image, they weren't planning on paying for the damn thing anyway. This argument of lost money is sheer stupidity. Hell, you don't even watermark the images on YOUR PHOTOGRAPHY BUSINESS SITE. The image below was lifted straight from your site. There are no watermarks and it was easily swiped. Sure, I will dump it very soon, but lets drop this hypocritical bullsh!t. If you don't ruin your images on your own BUSINESS website, why the hell is it such a big deal here? By the way, check the properties of the stole image. It's only 34 pixels smaller than the proposed resolution here. Hmmmm, but not watermarked.
//www.creekfall.com/stolen.jpg
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
There might be people here who don't care if someone stole their images or not. People who might be very good at photography, but know nothing about business or simply don't care about making money of it. |
So what the hell is your argument?
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
This is the last place I thought I'd see things like:
- Don't post online.
- SO what if they stole or printed your picture .. |
It's not.
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
These people are simply ignorant, you are not only losing pictures, you are losing money, you are losing your business, you are losing the chance to upgrade your equipment, you are losing the chance of realizing how good your picture are and how to make money out of it. If you don't care .. then fine, submit your full resolution pictures with a RF rights and let people use it as they like. |
Please relieve me of my ignorance. Exactly where and how do I lose money by someone using my image elsewhere? How, right now, are YOU losing money by your stolen image being used in this forum? You're not and the argument that you are, or could even possibly be, is asinine.
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
But I'd like to have my pictures watermarked. Or kept in low resolution.
And seriously, having the vote at the front page is not fair, knowing that the majority of the voters are free users or people that don't care about their work theft!! |
Even though you don't protect YOUR OWN BUSINESS IMAGES, you need the ones you post here...FOR FUN...defaced and watermarked. You prove with your site that it isn't that big of a deal. Why are you presenting such a ridiculous argument here? LET IT GO.
Message edited by Manic - please keep images under 500px and 30kb, or post links or thumbs instead. |
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10/23/2009 05:43:52 AM · #93 |
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10/23/2009 08:59:29 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I would think it obvious that applying an "optional" watermark only after the challenges are completes, or only when viewed by non-members, or any of the other suggestions which have been made over the years, is not quite so simple to code as it is to describe, or it would have been done by now. The idea is not being ignored, but I don't think it's at the top of the priority list either.
I still think the fact that so few (portfolio) images are currently watermarked must say something about just how strongly (or not) people feel about this ... |
Why do the majority of stock photo sites apply a watermark to photos displayed online? Their process is totally automated with no input from the registered contributors.
I have a pro account at Smugmug and they have a watermarking option that seems fairly straight-forward. Because of the larger sizes posted there I DO watermark all images put up for viewing/sales.
It's really not an unreasonable request to want the ability to watermark challenge entries after voting. Who does it hurt?
edit - typo.
Message edited by author 2009-10-23 08:59:59. |
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10/23/2009 11:08:44 AM · #95 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
So what the hell is your argument? |
What's yours ????????? I'm missing it.. I'm sorry, I keep trying to read through all of your posts, but I don't see what your reasons for being AGAINST a security measure are...
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Please relieve me of my ignorance. Exactly where and how do I lose money by someone using my image elsewhere? How, right now, are YOU losing money by your stolen image being used in this forum? You're not and the argument that you are, or could even possibly be, is asinine. |
OK, I'll help you out here... and, this is for free... If you have an image that someone wants to use on a commercial level... Normally, they would buy the image rights.. But, hey, they can just take the image from the DPC website and use it with out anyones permission.. Boom !!! The photographer who could have had the chance of being contacted to sell the rights to the image has now lost that opportunity.. What is so difficult to understand.. How likely is this ??? Not sure.. Maybe that is your arguement.... Again, not sure... But, do you have no concept of how images are sold on the internet ??? |
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10/23/2009 11:15:03 AM · #96 |
Do you think if I watermarked my images someone might think about stealing them? I always feel so left out. No one ever steals my images.....
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10/23/2009 11:16:49 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Do you think if I watermarked my images someone might think about stealing them? I always feel so left out. No one ever steals my images.....
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Heck yes... But, not because of the watermark.. Mostly because they are fantastic... Do you wonder if someone already has ??? |
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10/23/2009 11:20:20 AM · #98 |
| Yeah, they've never appeared in any of the places everyone else's stolen work appears, nor can I find any using tineye or other search engines. So I'm pretty sure none has been stolen. One has been shared, but I don't think anyone made any money off of it.... if they did, well, then.... I'll have Art burn their village! |
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10/23/2009 11:21:04 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by kandykarml:
... Do you wonder if someone already has ??? |
tineye.com |
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10/23/2009 12:31:29 PM · #100 |
| Not that it matters on the grand scale of things, and no not a threat. Just saying, the day I start seeing a bunch of watermarks on DPC, is the day I go meandering down the internet road. |
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