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09/22/2009 01:21:01 PM · #76

Originally posted by scalvert:

We can't give out specifics,

Why not?

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/22/2009 01:22:45 PM · #77

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by scalvert:

We can't give out specifics,

Why not?

Should be obvious... if we told everyone how the vote scrubber works, they might find ways around it.

Photologist

Apple iPhone 16 Pro Max

09/22/2009 01:30:28 PM · #78

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by scalvert:

We can't give out specifics,

Why not?

Should be obvious... if we told everyone how the vote scrubber works, they might find ways around it.

I'd quit while you're ahead. You've probably already said too much about 1's--more than Langdon and Drew would probably want you to say (or have contractually limited you from saying).

But, knowing more about you this past week, you are dying to break that agreement. It's probably eating you up inside to divulge this info. So, why even have a "1" as a voting choice? ;-)

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/22/2009 01:36:56 PM · #79

Originally posted by AperturePriority:

So, why even have a "1" as a voting choice? ;-)

I didn't say ONLY votes of 1. We have that choice for the same reason we have 2-10 on the voting scale: so you can rate the entries on their merits. Do that honestly and you don't have to worry about it.

Photologist

Apple iPhone 16 Pro Max

09/22/2009 01:44:01 PM · #80

So, in reference to

AJSullivan's comment, he doesn't have to vote 2-3's in order to not get scrubbed. He can vote 1's and they could stick.

I imagine if he voted all of the same (all 2's for example), this could raise a flag and get scrubbed. However, it may be more difficult to detect if he spread his low votes across 1's, 2's, 3's, and some occassional 6's, 7's, 8's votes for obvious trash images, and then a 10 for his buddy.

Although one person doing this probably would not make a dent in his buddy's final score, unless this was a team/group effort.

Simms

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/22/2009 01:46:08 PM · #81

Originally posted by AperturePriority:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by scalvert:

We can't give out specifics,

Why not?

Should be obvious... if we told everyone how the vote scrubber works, they might find ways around it.

I'd quit while you're ahead. You've probably already said too much about 1's--more than Langdon and Drew would probably want you to say (or have contractually limited you from saying).

But, knowing more about you this past week, you are dying to break that agreement. It's probably eating you up inside to divulge this info. So, why even have a "1" as a voting choice? ;-)

OH come on now AP, give the SC a break now - they have had to do the unthinkable this week and go back on a decision, the slightly bitter taste in their collective mouths must be most unpleasant - not to mention the embarrassed silence in the coffee room at break times in DPC-Towers.

LOL

09/22/2009 02:44:23 PM · #82

I was under the impression that it was a percentage of the highest votes and a percentage of the lowest votes.

09/22/2009 02:45:47 PM · #83

Originally posted by AperturePriority:

Although one person doing this probably would not make a dent in his buddy's final score, unless this was a team/group effort.

Obviously they feel that it effects the score enough to suspend people for doing it, even if its just 2 people giving each other 10s.

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

09/22/2009 02:54:59 PM · #84

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Obviously they feel that it effects the score enough to suspend people for doing it, even if its just 2 people giving each other 10s.

It doesn't matter if the votes affect a score or notâ�� it's against the rules. "You may not offer or cast biased votes for any other user." "We will disqualify challenge entries from, suspend or ban anyone who abuses the voting system in any way."

Strikeslip

Canon EOS-5D

09/22/2009 03:01:24 PM · #85

Sadly, I've been too busy today to properly take part in this thread.

I can conclude. It is not safe to vote 1,2,3, ... 8,9,or 10. It is safest not to vote at all. Two or three 10's to someone you know will get you banned. That's the way I see it. I gave up voting long ago.

09/22/2009 03:16:26 PM · #86

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by AJSullivan:
Obviously they feel that it effects the score enough to suspend people for doing it, even if its just 2 people giving each other 10s.

It doesn't matter if the votes affect a score or notâ�� it's against the rules. "You may not offer or cast biased votes for any other user." "We will disqualify challenge entries from, suspend or ban anyone who abuses the voting system in any way."

Then people that vote a low score because they don't like the subject matter should be suspended or banned, as they are bringing a personal bias to the table, and not judging based soley off the photographic merit.

09/22/2009 03:21:21 PM · #87

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Originally posted by scalvert:
"You may not offer or cast biased votes for any other user."

Then people that vote a low score because they don't like the subject matter should be suspended or banned, as they are bringing a personal bias to the table, and not judging based soley off the photographic merit.

Read it again.

Simms

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/22/2009 03:23:30 PM · #88

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by AJSullivan:
Obviously they feel that it effects the score enough to suspend people for doing it, even if its just 2 people giving each other 10s.

It doesn't matter if the votes affect a score or notâ�� it's against the rules. "You may not offer or cast biased votes for any other user." "We will disqualify challenge entries from, suspend or ban anyone who abuses the voting system in any way."

Then people that vote a low score because they don't like the subject matter should be suspended or banned, as they are bringing a personal bias to the table, and not judging based soley off the photographic merit.

AJ, you fully understand what it means I am sure, and you are being obtuse. We could all nit pick the rules but really, I think its obvious what THAT rule implies.

And I thought I was a timewaster.

09/22/2009 03:32:51 PM · #89

I did read that wrong. Good point.

And Simms - shut it, don't make assumptions. This is pretty good dialogue in my opinion, because we are finding out a lot of stuff about the process that it seems most people weren't aware of prior to this whole ken/rug debacle.

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8D ED

09/22/2009 03:33:47 PM · #90

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by AJSullivan:
I don't see how one can differentiate between an honest vote and a bunk vote, outside of someone doing something wehre they vote 5 across the board and and then a single 10 vote for thier "friend".

You'd be amazed at how many people are that stupid, but we do have other tools, too.

Do tell. What other ways does one go about finding this out?

rugman1969

Nikon D90

09/22/2009 03:37:29 PM · #91

I wasn't along for the ride. I was driving!

Originally posted by Jaded_Housewife:

I don't think that was the case at all. Kenskid has rubbed many people the wrong way for years. Goodness, I was gone for two years. came back about a week or two ago and immediately cringed at the sight of his screename all over again. I went to say something to my husband and as soon as I said kenskid. he was like "oh....I understand." So then when he posted a photo of rugmans it dragged rugman into it too. I sincerly believe that had the photo thread not been started that rugman would not have reached the level of villification that kenskid did. Rugman just got dragged along for the ride.

I'm not p.c. myself, and I have extreme views soemtimes just like kenskid(difference is he's very right wing, i'm very liberal.) I try to bite my toungue most of the time but sometimes I can't. I've never once been banned or warned or anything and I'm NOT a site favorite. I'm not friends or even close aqquaintances with any SC members. all this SC pet stuff is complete bull. Just rantings of insecure men trying to make themselves feel better. It's absurd. The SC aren't an order of high and mighty men and women trying to twist this site into what they perceive to be right. The SC are volunteers, they have lives and jobs, being SC isn't there life or job. They are just nice people helping out on this site who don't need to be attacked anymore than anyone else.

Geesh people, just try your best to be a nice, respectful person in the forums and don't take this stuff personally. really. These are strangers. they can no more make a real personal judgment about you than any other random person hundereds of miles away from you.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

09/22/2009 03:42:12 PM · #92

Originally posted by Simms:

... And I thought I was a timewaster.

At least you don't post echoes, repeat, echoes, repeat...

09/22/2009 03:43:39 PM · #93

Haha, thats part of my charm. Repetition is key!

Plus I love getting Scalvert worked up, as he seems, out of everyone on SC, to be the only one who has the same kind of time to waste as I do haha.

09/22/2009 03:46:57 PM · #94

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Plus I love getting Scalvert worked up...

*yawn*

09/22/2009 03:50:30 PM · #95

Oh I see what you did there. And are you going to ever answer the question I asked earlier, and then requoted above since you must have over looked it previously?

09/22/2009 03:53:11 PM · #96

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Oh I see what you did there. And are you going to ever answer the question I asked earlier, and then requoted above since you must have over looked it previously?

Originally posted by scalvert:

Should be obvious... if we told everyone how [it] works, they might find ways around it.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

09/22/2009 03:55:06 PM · #97

Oh my. im not even going to touch that one. Ill give you a break. You certainly are the most charming of the SC haha.

BeeCee

Nikon D40

09/22/2009 03:56:25 PM · #98

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Oh my. im not even going to touch that one. Ill give you a break. You certainly are the most charming of the SC haha.

Careful, Karma might hear you... and we've already heard how "Karma's a b*tch" ;)

09/22/2009 03:56:34 PM · #99

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

You certainly are the most charming of the SC haha.

and I can cook, too! :-)

yanko