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09/22/2009 11:55:18 AM · #51

man - i was about to type the same thing... and we're never on the same page !!!!

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Simple, the number is now zero (0), as they've already been caught and booted. :-)

Fisher Price Kid-Tough Digital

09/22/2009 11:58:41 AM · #52

Originally posted by soup:

man - i was about to type the same thing... and we're never on the same page !!!!

Originally posted by glad2badad:
Simple, the number is now zero (0), as they've already been caught and booted. :-)

We were when you put this photo up nearly 5 years ago -->

One of my very first favorites on this site! :-)

Bugzeye

09/22/2009 11:58:44 AM · #53

the thing is, Some people get booted and then they get let back, Now correct me if I am wrong but isn't that sort of stupid too?

kenskid

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09/22/2009 12:03:36 PM · #54

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

I don't know if that makes sense. If someone here has a pretty indicative style, and it happens to be what I find to be "perfect" and vote the images a 10 time after time, then it will look like im playing off of the photographer and not the image, but that image is right up my alley.

I don't see how one can differentiate between an honest vote and a bunk vote, outside of someone doing something wehre they vote 5 across the board and and then a single 10 vote for thier "friend".

FireBird

09/22/2009 12:05:10 PM · #55

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by FireBird:
What if someone became everyone's buddy by always entering a photo with a family member or some other artifact that positively identifies the photographer to the voters?

It wouldn't make much difference. Plenty of photographers (good and bad) already have recognizable styles, locations and models without issue.

Well, I'm certainly glad to hear this as my cousin has two beautiful twin girls approaching the terrible two age. I think perhaps I'll start entering images of them and eliciting the warm feelings of the fairer sex voting in here. LOL Maybe shots of them flying on a majic carpet, or a donkey, or maybe a Republican!!!

eqsite

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09/22/2009 12:09:55 PM · #56

Originally posted by kenskid:

Please don't kill me for this but I think rugman said this about irene -

Many of the comments during voting on an irenem pic says "must be irene" at times it will even say "looks like irene" and then post their 9 or 10 vote.

Could this be buddy voting even if you don't know the person on a personal level?

Originally posted by AJSullivan:
I don't know if that makes sense. If someone here has a pretty indicative style, and it happens to be what I find to be "perfect" and vote the images a 10 time after time, then it will look like im playing off of the photographer and not the image, but that image is right up my alley.

I don't see how one can differentiate between an honest vote and a bunk vote, outside of someone doing something wehre they vote 5 across the board and and then a single 10 vote for thier "friend".

There's no way to know from the comment whether they are giving her a 9/10 because they think it's her or because they like the image regardless of whether they think it's her. The only way to discern that is to look at voting trends over several challenges.

Message edited by author 2009-09-22 12:10:16.

Bugzeye

Fisher Price Kid-Tough Digital

09/22/2009 12:10:11 PM · #57

That would depend on what scores they give everyone else in the challenge. I was thinking along those lines also, When she was on a huge ribbon run with basically nothing but waterdrop shots, Practically everyone on the site knew which photo in the challenge was hers, However the scoring was still pretty close in most of those challenges. I don't think it would be called buddy voting. The same thing when Ricki was around people went crazy over his wineglass shots. Wait, Bad example. But he was idolized by many around here for his very recognizable style until he got caught cheating.

Originally posted by kenskid:

09/22/2009 12:10:38 PM · #58

Originally posted by kenskid:

Water & Water Drop shots have been popular here since the beginning.

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IreneM happens to do a VERY good job with this type of shot...makes sense that people like it and vote it high. Except for the handful of us that are a tad tired of water drops. :-)

09/22/2009 12:12:47 PM · #59

OK i was more speaking about the forums. gladUlikeMyPhoto :)

Originally posted by glad2badad:

One of my very first favorites on this site! :-)

i had a thought about this too. and it's been brought up before in other threads. identifiable people, or subjects... so my thought - though probably not feasible - what if the site were to some how randomize WHO is allowed to vote for a given challenge, maybe based on recent site activity to eliminate the dead accounts. maybe limit the number of voters to 500/challenge or something ( i doubt anyone's gotten 500 votes before ). so basically as a current active member - you'd be designated a challenge to vote on. and not everyone would have the option to vote each week. but with 3+ challenges a week, that would equate to 1500 users being able to vote on one challenge or another.

sure - some avid voters wouldn't be allowed to vote on anything, but they might be able to the following week...

ETA: like the news, or subscription status - you'd get a message on the main page when you log in telling you the weeks voting status for you.
just a thought.

Originally posted by kenskid:

Message edited by author 2009-09-22 12:16:58.

09/22/2009 12:14:19 PM · #60

Originally posted by soup:

OK i was more speaking about the forums. ...

I know. :-P

Ivo

09/22/2009 12:16:06 PM · #61

When it gets to the point that your images become that recognizable, you have to face the truth that you are no longer an artist but rather a production facility. I think I'd find that sort of recognition to be quite deflating as its a polite way of saying your imagination has been stuck in first gear.

Message edited by author 2009-09-22 12:16:34.

Fisher Price Kid-Tough Digital

09/22/2009 12:16:42 PM · #62

Originally posted by soup:

sure - some avid voters wouldn't be allowed to vote on anything, but they might be able to the following week...

just a thought.

Participation levels have been trending off quite a bit lately...I don't think limiting participation further is a great idea IMO.

edit - typo.

Message edited by author 2009-09-22 12:17:22.

Bugzeye

09/22/2009 12:19:36 PM · #63

I think the only way to make the voting 100% fair 100% of the time is to cram all the images entered into a Zip File and send them to NASA to be scored. If that doesn't work, Try this, You may only vote for challenges that you have not entered. I say this because the scores given by participants are always lower than the scores given by the nonparticipants.

Originally posted by soup:

OK i was more speaking about the forums. gladUlikeMyPhoto :)

Originally posted by glad2badad:
One of my very first favorites on this site! :-)

i had a thought about this too. and it's been brought up before in other threads. identifiable people, or subjects... so my thought - though probably not feasible - what if the site were to some how randomize WHO is allowed to vote for a given challenge, maybe based on recent site activity to eliminate the dead accounts. maybe limit the number of voters to 500/challenge or something ( i doubt anyone's gotten 500 votes before ). so basically as a current active member - you'd be designated a challenge to vote on. and not everyone would have the option to vote each week. but with 3+ challenges a week, that would equate to 1500 users being able to vote on one challenge or another.

sure - some avid voters wouldn't be allowed to vote on anything, but they might be able to the following week...

just a thought.

Originally posted by kenskid:
Please don't kill me for this but I think rugman said this about irene -

Many of the comments during voting on an irenem pic says "must be irene" at times it will even say "looks like irene" and then post their 9 or 10 vote.

Could this be buddy voting even if you don't know the person on a personal level?

09/22/2009 12:20:50 PM · #64

yeah i suppose. so. maybe, randomize all users and assign a specific challenge for them to vote on. you'd be able to enter any one you wanted, but be limited in what you're allowed to vote on. it wouldn't eliminate the recognizable style/subject - or blatant friend voting. but it would likely hinder it.

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Participation levels have been trending off quite a bit lately...I don't think limiting participation further is a great idea IMO.

edit - typo.

edit: typo

Message edited by author 2009-09-22 12:21:36.

AJSullivan

09/22/2009 12:21:44 PM · #65

Haha. Yeah, theoretically, you shouldn't be able to vote on a challenge you entered at all!

Since I can't vote for myself, Ill do the next best thing...give everyone else in the challenge a 2-4, high enough not to be scrubbed, low enough to hurt thier score, and varied enough to not seem suspicious.

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09/22/2009 12:24:13 PM · #66

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Well, at least it would get you voting. That would be a start.

ETA - You certainly can't vote for yourself if you haven't entered anything either. :-)

Message edited by author 2009-09-22 12:25:41.

frisca

Nikon D70

09/22/2009 12:25:19 PM · #67

if people recognize a style as belonging to a user, some will like it and others will not so the distribution will be overall fair. What is problematic is when a really bad image gets a much higher score than its average consistently from another user. That is just one example, but its the most common.