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 09/21/2009 04:44:11 AM · #26
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
Either I totally missed the point of 'missed focus' or the majority of the entries did. We have had Out of Focus (OOF) challenges before - where nothing was intended to be in focus. It appears that folks took this to be the same. I took it to mean that the subject itself was not in focus, but at least one other part of the image was in focus. Can't say I was too thrilled with many of the images. Seems those who felt the entire image should be out of focus are letting me know their views too:

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I am 100% with you.
OOF and missed focus are 2 different things!!!
 09/21/2009 04:44:31 AM · #27
There seems to be a reasonable number of motion blur entries in this challenge.
Am I the only one who thinks that this doesn't really meet the specific challenge of Missed Focus?
 09/21/2009 04:48:39 AM · #28
Originally posted by ben4345:
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
Either I totally missed the point of 'missed focus' or the majority of the entries did. We have had Out of Focus (OOF) challenges before - where nothing was intended to be in focus. It appears that folks took this to be the same. I took it to mean that the subject itself was not in focus, but at least one other part of the image was in focus. Can't say I was too thrilled with many of the images. Seems those who felt the entire image should be out of focus are letting me know their views too:

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I am 100% with you.
OOF and missed focus are 2 different things!!!


Hey you....what happened to my party....??? :(
 09/21/2009 04:49:39 AM · #29
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
There seems to be a reasonable number of motion blur entries in this challenge.
Am I the only one who thinks that this doesn't really meet the specific challenge of Missed Focus?

No, Will, you are not. But if you read the thread on missed focus you will find that a whole bunch of people think they are the same thing. To me they are two completely separate things, but apparently not to many. :)

Message edited by author 2009-09-21 04:50:38.
 09/21/2009 04:50:54 AM · #30
Originally posted by salmiakki:
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
There seems to be a reasonable number of motion blur entries in this challenge.
Am I the only one who thinks that this doesn't really meet the specific challenge of Missed Focus?

No, Will, you are not. But if you read the thread on missed focus you will find that a whole bunch of people think they are the same thing. To me they are two completely separate things, but apparently not to many. :)


HDR all over again then eh lol
 09/21/2009 04:51:20 AM · #31
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by ben4345:
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
Either I totally missed the point of 'missed focus' or the majority of the entries did. We have had Out of Focus (OOF) challenges before - where nothing was intended to be in focus. It appears that folks took this to be the same. I took it to mean that the subject itself was not in focus, but at least one other part of the image was in focus. Can't say I was too thrilled with many of the images. Seems those who felt the entire image should be out of focus are letting me know their views too:

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I am 100% with you.
OOF and missed focus are 2 different things!!!


Sorry, you said it wasn't your b-day. I had to take back the 2 5D mk2s that I got you.

Hey you....what happened to my party....??? :(
09/21/2009 05:17:01 AM · #32
Originally posted by ben4345:
Originally posted by Judi:


Hey you....what happened to my party....??? :(


Sorry, you said it wasn't your b-day. I had to take back the 2 5D mk2s that I got you.


Shame on you!
 09/21/2009 05:29:17 AM · #33
Really really disappointed with my score so far. I was quite confident that the score wouldn't dip below 6, but currently floating around 5.4
 09/21/2009 05:40:40 AM · #34
I am pretty disappointed with my score as well. I wasn't expecting much but I was not expecting it to be sub 5! Maybe if I would have gone with my original title, people would get it more - I am now worried that my main subject may be too OOF, and all the voters are seeing is the in focus area... i don't know - all I know is I expected more. Sucks having a bad start after being out of challenges for about 2 months!
 09/21/2009 06:36:26 AM · #35
Originally posted by salmiakki:
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
There seems to be a reasonable number of motion blur entries in this challenge.
Am I the only one who thinks that this doesn't really meet the specific challenge of Missed Focus?

No, Will, you are not. But if you read the thread on missed focus you will find that a whole bunch of people think they are the same thing. To me they are two completely separate things, but apparently not to many. :)


Missed Focus: Use an out of focused subject in a compelling way.

Motion blur is still out of focus. When I vote through the entries, I will treat motion blur as having met the challenge. I think it is nice to see different interpretations of missed focus.

Message edited by author 2009-09-21 06:37:35.
 09/21/2009 06:50:56 AM · #36
Originally posted by VitaminB:

Motion blur is still out of focus.


Surely the definition of focus is a point in which the rays of light meet, after being reflected or refracted, and at which the image is formed.

So if I focus on a subject it is by optical definition in focus. If I then move that object within the plane of focus such that I get a motion blur in my resulting image, the object is still in focus it simply has a motion blur associated with it. The two are different affects

Message edited by author 2009-09-21 06:52:21.
 09/21/2009 06:51:45 AM · #37
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
Either I totally missed the point of 'missed focus' or the majority of the entries did. We have had Out of Focus (OOF) challenges before - where nothing was intended to be in focus. It appears that folks took this to be the same. I took it to mean that the subject itself was not in focus, but at least one other part of the image was in focus. Can't say I was too thrilled with many of the images. Seems those who felt the entire image should be out of focus are letting me know their views too:

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I agree entirely - in fact I had one to go which had something in focus (the 'wrong' thing) but in the end I was swayed by the chatter in the other forum and went for something which was more at the OOF end. The other difficulty was whether software blurring to (de)enhance existing missed focus was OK - I had one or two out of focus subjects that were adequately blurry at full resolution that looked almost sharp at 720px but I just didmn't want to get into the whole editing which might change people's typical description of an image thing.
 09/21/2009 06:54:03 AM · #38
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by VitaminB:

Motion blur is still out of focus.


Surely the definition of focus is a point in which the rays of light meet, after being reflected or refracted, and at which the image is formed.

So if I focus on a subject it is by optical definition in focus. If I then move that object within the plane of focus such that I get a motion blur in my resulting image, the object is still in focus it simply has a motion blur associated with it. The two are different affects


Yup, what Lutchenko said.......motion "BLUR" and out of "FOCUS" are different...

and where in "Use an out of focused subject in a compelling way" does it say that part of the image should be in focus...??????
 09/21/2009 06:58:31 AM · #39
Originally posted by dougi555:
where in "Use an out of focused subject in a compelling way" does it say that part of the image should be in focus...??????


In fact some of the best shots in the challenge are totally out of focus and in my opinion meet the challenge very well
 09/21/2009 07:30:15 AM · #40
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
There seems to be a reasonable number of motion blur entries in this challenge.
Am I the only one who thinks that this doesn't really meet the specific challenge of Missed Focus?


No your not


09/21/2009 08:01:12 AM · #41
15 posts in a row without a score, and it's early on day one of voting. Should be a long week.

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Figured mine for a low 5 so I'm not surprised at the initial start.
 09/21/2009 08:05:22 AM · #42
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
Either I totally missed the point of 'missed focus' or the majority of the entries did. We have had Out of Focus (OOF) challenges before - where nothing was intended to be in focus. It appears that folks took this to be the same. I took it to mean that the subject itself was not in focus, but at least one other part of the image was in focus. Can't say I was too thrilled with many of the images. Seems those who felt the entire image should be out of focus are letting me know their views too:

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OK, I haven't read the rest of the thread, but how is anyone supposed to know this unless they've been here for those challenges?! That's assuming a lot of knowledge that we don't have. If you look at the title and the definition, neither says that there must be some other thing in focus. It says subject out of focus. not subject out of focus and something else in focus.

Please people, don't be adding things to the challenge because of other challenge topics that we know nothing about! (ok, I'm tired, and I spent part of the week finding out that motion blur wasn't focus in some people's minds, but there was absolutely no way of finding this one out unless you've been here for a couple of years, and that is frustrating. Ok, I'm done with my rant.
 09/21/2009 08:08:00 AM · #43
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 09/21/2009 08:32:23 AM · #44
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09/21/2009 08:43:56 AM · #45
Held up ok overnight.

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As if I really need to add to the continuing debate, but... Focus blur and motion blur are too completely different things. The entries that have part of the scene in focus I can consider as creatively meeting the challenge, but the motion blur does not. The description is pretty clearcut. I wonder if the issue is the interpretation of the term "focus"?

As Lutchenko said, it's HDR II, the sequel. Makes for an interesting challenge, however.
 09/21/2009 08:46:08 AM · #46
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I agree - motion blur and OOF are two different things.
That said, my score could go either way and that's probably why it's in the middle.
 09/21/2009 08:47:26 AM · #47
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Held up ok overnight.

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As if I really need to add to the continuing debate, but... Focus blur and motion blur are too completely different things. The entries that have part of the scene in focus I can consider as creatively meeting the challenge, but the motion blur does not. The description is pretty clearcut. I wonder if the issue is the interpretation of the term "focus"?

As Lutchenko said, it's HDR II, the sequel. Makes for an interesting challenge, however.


Okay. So what if your image is both. I am not saying that mine is or isn't this...just playing devils advocate. Would it meet the challenge?????
 09/21/2009 08:51:50 AM · #48
To be fair, this was a toughy, but in voting, I've not given this many low scores in a really long time. I did manage to find one beautifully done 9 and some 7's, but given the directive, it just isn't that interesting to look at most of them. I think the key word was "compelling" and most are not. You brave souls who entered - good luck. I'm really curious what is going to win this one, as everyone's interpretation of it is so different.
 09/21/2009 08:55:11 AM · #49
Judi said,
"Okay. So what if your image is both. I am not saying that mine is or isn't this...just playing devils advocate. Would it meet the challenge?????"

good question.

Message edited by author 2009-09-21 08:55:56.
 09/21/2009 08:57:04 AM · #50
the description says the 'subject' should be 'out of focus', so as long as that's true, for me as a voter, it doesn't matter if there's motion blur elsewhere, as well.
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