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09/10/2009 10:43:06 PM · #1 |
Having given the SC a couple of hours to respond (they're probably busy), I thought I'd ask the general group what in my photo is the cause for the DQ.
Original:  DQ'd: 
DQ Reason:
You may not use ANY editing tool to create new image area, objects or features (such as lens flare or motion) that didn't already exist in your original capture.
The rule tells me why the image was DQ'd. What I do not understand is WHAT I added that they are looking at.
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09/10/2009 10:46:14 PM · #2 |
| I think it is the halo around the woman that doesn't exist in the original... |
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09/10/2009 10:47:29 PM · #3 |
| Yup, I suspect the halo is the problem also. |
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09/10/2009 10:49:38 PM · #4 |
| I agree, probably the halo. |
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09/10/2009 10:51:05 PM · #5 |
Yep. that's it. Another explanation for the same issue: "You may apply filters, effects, dodge & burn, and other tools to all or part of your entry, but NO new shapes or features may be created in the process." Even in Advanced you can't draw lines or shapes through your image with any tool (aside from obvious borders).
Message edited by author 2009-09-10 23:50:21. |
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09/10/2009 10:59:11 PM · #6 |
| just curious, did you submit a ticket? and if so, was it to general or administrative, because i'm not seeing it (which is why we haven't answered you before now). |
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09/10/2009 11:01:03 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Yep. that's it. Another explanation for the same issue: "You may apply filters, effects, dodge & burn, and other tools to all or part of your entry, but NO new shapes or features may be created in the process." Even in Advanced you can't draw lines or shapes through your image with any tool (aside from obvious boders). |
What if he had burned in this area with a rougher (not a tidy selected oval) shape around the person - like a vignette? Legal then? |
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09/10/2009 11:10:22 PM · #8 |
OK. Fair enough. SC members - I replied to the DQ e-mail, so maybe that's why it didn't get through to you.
What I was trying to do was the fade out from the focus to the dark corners that Heida seems to use so effectively. I'm putting this down to bad editing skills, 'cause if I'd feathered it enough so the gradiation was uniform from dark on the edges to lighter around her, it probably wouldn't be a new feature. SC members, is that thinking correct, or is it still in DQ territory?
For non-SC members, the "halo" was using a very large burn brush with a feather of about 10ish. It was free-hand and I hated the visible edge it left, but didn't know how to fix it.
Maybe a do-oh! on my part, but it never occurred to me that was adding something to the image...
Message edited by author 2009-09-10 23:11:12. |
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09/10/2009 11:17:43 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
What if he had burned in this area with a rougher (not a tidy selected oval) shape around the person - like a vignette? Legal then? |
That's sort of a trick question...
Vignettes are legal, but creating a shape is not. So making a vignette on the whole image would be fine, but vignetting just the person (essentially creating a glow or fuzzy shape around her) would still be a problem since you'd be creating a feature within the scene. |
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09/10/2009 11:22:54 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Yep. that's it. Another explanation for the same issue: "You may apply filters, effects, dodge & burn, and other tools to all or part of your entry, but NO new shapes or features may be created in the process." Even in Advanced you can't draw lines or shapes through your image with any tool (aside from obvious boders). |
What if he had burned in this area with a rougher (not a tidy selected oval) shape around the person - like a vignette? Legal then? |
Reminds me of this thread back in 2007.
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09/10/2009 11:36:10 PM · #11 |
sorry..but doesn't this thread violate the rule about discussing entries while voting is going on. Even if it is DQ'd?
Just saying....
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09/10/2009 11:45:40 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
sorry..but doesn't this thread violate the rule about discussing entries while voting is going on. Even if it is DQ'd? |
Well technically, yes. However since the point of the outtake rule is to prevent discussion that could influence voting, and this is more of a general rules question, I'm inclined to let it go. |
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09/11/2009 12:13:15 AM · #13 |
How does everyone else edge burn their photos? Granted this was more than an edge burn but I assume kind of what he was attempting...
I typically create a levels layer in multiply mode and turned to gray scale, group it with the copied layer, create a mask then use the radial gradient tool.
what other techniques are out there?
I would like to hear about other techniques, and I bet DTREMAIN would too!
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09/11/2009 04:19:11 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
What if he had burned in this area with a rougher (not a tidy selected oval) shape around the person - like a vignette? Legal then? |
That's sort of a trick question...
Vignettes are legal, but creating a shape is not. So making a vignette on the whole image would be fine, but vignetting just the person (essentially creating a glow or fuzzy shape around her) would still be a problem since you'd be creating a feature within the scene. |
Trick question my eye. Call it what it is, a very gray area in the rule. If I were voting on this DQ, I would have called it legal. The "shape" added was not added to simulate a physical object or artifact in the scene (thinking lens flare) although it is borderline. A vignette, whether centered or not, should be legal, no question about it. You are implying it might not be, and that, sir, is a gross misapplication of the "no new shapes" rule. IMHO, of course. "Advanced" rules, and I can get in trouble applying a vignette?? Come, now. |
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09/11/2009 05:37:06 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
What if he had burned in this area with a rougher (not a tidy selected oval) shape around the person - like a vignette? Legal then? |
That's sort of a trick question...
Originally posted by scalvert:
Vignettes are legal, but creating a shape is not. So making a vignette on the whole image would be fine, but vignetting just the person (essentially creating a glow or fuzzy shape around her) would still be a problem since you'd be creating a feature within the scene. |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Trick question my eye. Call it what it is, a very gray area in the rule. If I were voting on this DQ, I would have called it legal. The "shape" added was not added to simulate a physical object or artifact in the scene (thinking lens flare) although it is borderline. A vignette, whether centered or not, should be legal, no question about it. You are implying it might not be, and that, sir, is a gross misapplication of the "no new shapes" rule. IMHO, of course. "Advanced" rules, and I can get in trouble applying a vignette?? Come, now. |
I'd have never tried to fly this one......and if someone had asked me for an opinion before submitting it, I'd have said not to submit it.
Message edited by author 2009-09-11 05:37:41.
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09/11/2009 07:54:38 AM · #16 |
Hence the wonderful thrills of being on the SC. There will always be gray areas in rules, and almost always rules will need people to interpret them for individual cases. The thing I appreciate about dpchallenge's SC is that from what I've observed, they try very hard to be fair. Do they always succeed? No. But at least they try. To me, that counts for a lot.
BTW - No, I don't like getting DQ'd more than anyone else.
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09/11/2009 08:06:34 AM · #17 |
While we didn't use the same technique it's basically the same thing that I got a dq on this one for back in 2006.  |
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09/11/2009 08:52:09 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Yep. that's it. Another explanation for the same issue: "You may apply filters, effects, dodge & burn, and other tools to all or part of your entry, but NO new shapes or features may be created in the process." Even in Advanced you can't draw lines or shapes through your image with any tool (aside from obvious boders). |
What if he had burned in this area with a rougher (not a tidy selected oval) shape around the person - like a vignette? Legal then? |
Reminds me of this thread back in 2007. |
That thread is relevant, but there's no photos left in it. :-/ Actually, I think all of the thumb links are broken from a DPC update a while back.
Ref to challenge: Personification II, and this DQ'd image -->  |
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