HIgh ISO quality - 5D mk2 v 1Ds mk3

08/27/2009 11:31:52 AM · #1

OK, I am in the market for a new full-frame as I am about to retire my 5D after a few good years service. Now, my assistant shoots with a 5Dmk2 and the high ISO quality is unbelievable - he shot inside a church at iso3200 the other day and I would say it was as good as the original 5D on ISO 800, and that's no exaggeration. It far surpassed the 1dmk3 at ISO1000

Now, since I am happy with my 1D mk3 for general day to day use, I would like a new full-frame - I was just wondering if anybody knew how the 1DS mk3 performed at the higher ISOs? Is it noisier at 3200 than the 5D mk2? Is it worth me waiting for the 1DS mk4 to be announced/released or shall I bite the bullet now and get the 5D mk2?

If anyone has any real-world experience (I am not interested in graphs and stuff) of shooting these two cameras side-by-side at high ISO then I would love to hear your impressions.

Thnx.

Message edited by author 2009-08-27 11:32:04.

Strikeslip

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

08/27/2009 12:02:47 PM · #2

Originally posted by Simms:

... my assistant ...

heh... poor bastard. ;-)

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/27/2009 12:37:47 PM · #3

I can't answer your question as thoroughly as you'd like, since I've never laid my hands on a 1DsMkIII. What I can say is that the 1DsMkII is no match with the 5DMkII when it comes to noise. The difference is significant enough, for me, to expect the 5D2 to hold its current reputation as a rare beast indeed for a little while longer. I cannot imagine equally drastic improvements to noise reduction beyond this point quite yet.

MAK

Leica CL

Leica 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 Vario Elmar-T ASPH

08/27/2009 12:49:05 PM · #4

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Simms:
... my assistant ...

heh... poor bastard. ;-)

Indeed

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/27/2009 12:54:39 PM · #5

The assistant may just have three legs and an adjustable head...

aplomb76

Canon EOS-1D Mark IIn

08/27/2009 12:58:19 PM · #6

this might be what you are looking for

//www.pbase.com/hkruse/image/106829253/original

Tez

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

08/27/2009 01:17:30 PM · #7

I think there was a comparison over at DPReview of this when they did the 5dmk2 review. There are some graphs but also those pictures of the queen's head at varying ISOs.

Paul

Leica SL

08/27/2009 01:31:40 PM · #8

I've done a bit of shooting recently at 6400 ISO with the 5D MK II and found that is really good in predominantly dark but high contrast situations, where I can raise the black point without losing much of significance. Here is an example from my recent (poorly received) 'Pink' entry:

This was with one pass through Dfine. I can post up a full size jpeg from the original CR2 file if you want.

I've had much less success with fully dark scenes in which the areas of interest aren't well differentiated from the background - though this one isn't too bad:

Fellow Traveller

Albeit with a bit more of an elaborate post-process.

08/27/2009 01:52:48 PM · #9

Originally posted by aplomb76:

this might be what you are looking for

//www.pbase.com/hkruse/image/106829253/original

Thats great thanks..

Not much differnce at all, so might as well look at the 5Dmk2.

Hasselblad Hasselblad H3D

08/27/2009 01:55:31 PM · #10

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Simms:
... my assistant ...

heh... poor bastard. ;-)

In actual fact I have two I rotate and I actually think they enjoy working with me.

One of them is on here.

If you are ever over in England slippy you are more than welcome to come and assist for a day.

kingskingdom

Hasselblad HC 3.5-4.5/50-110 mm

08/27/2009 02:02:17 PM · #11

I'm surprised your not holding auditions for a caddy in the golf open photo contest :-)

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Simms:
... my assistant ...

heh... poor bastard. ;-)

In actual fact I have two I rotate and I actually think they enjoy working with me.

One of them is on here.

If you are ever over in England slippy you are more than welcome to come and assist for a day.

08/27/2009 02:16:17 PM · #12

Originally posted by kingskingdom:

I'm surprised your not holding auditions for a caddy in the golf open photo contest :-)

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Simms:
... my assistant ...

heh... poor bastard. ;-)

In actual fact I have two I rotate and I actually think they enjoy working with me.

One of them is on here.

If you are ever over in England slippy you are more than welcome to come and assist for a day.

I've got far better things to waste my time on.

kevip6

08/27/2009 02:42:14 PM · #13

Originally posted by Simms:

Hey Mark,

I thought my ear's were burning and then I see you're posting messages about my unbelievable camera control to get amazing results in Low Light with the 5D MkII!

I assist (I prefer second shoot :0) ) for Mark quite regularly and apart from the beatings I get if I miss focus it's always a good laugh and a very creative day with the cameras.

I love the 5D MkII as a wedding and studio camera, I think it's the perfect tool for the job. It would be cool to have a second memory slot for JPG backup but the battery life from a single battery (No battery grip) lasts almost an entire wedding (bridal prep to first dance) and with the option of SRAW1 you get the same size files as the 1D Mk3

08/27/2009 02:47:27 PM · #14

Originally posted by kevip6:

I assist (I prefer second shoot :0)

Just shut up.

Strikeslip

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

08/27/2009 02:52:56 PM · #15

Originally posted by Simms:

...If you are ever over in England slippy you are more than welcome to come and assist for a day.

Only if it's an open bar. ;-)

Leica 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 Vario Elmar-T ASPH

08/27/2009 03:02:12 PM · #16

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Simms:
...If you are ever over in England slippy you are more than welcome to come and assist for a day.

Only if it's an open bar. ;-)

Uh huh, I always try to blag a meal and a tab at the bar. Next year I am pushing for a place at the top table.

Message edited by author 2009-08-27 15:02:25.

MAK

Leica CL

08/27/2009 03:03:19 PM · #17

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Simms:
...If you are ever over in England slippy you are more than welcome to come and assist for a day.

Only if it's an open bar. ;-)

Uh huh, I always try to blag a meal and a tab at the bar. Next year I am pushing for a place at the top table.

Get the seat next to the bride ;)

08/27/2009 03:12:47 PM · #18

Originally posted by MAK:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Simms:
...If you are ever over in England slippy you are more than welcome to come and assist for a day.

Only if it's an open bar. ;-)

Uh huh, I always try to blag a meal and a tab at the bar. Next year I am pushing for a place at the top table.

Get the seat next to the bride ;)

Oooo, you sh*t stirrer, don't let Ange see that..

Strikeslip

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

08/27/2009 03:14:17 PM · #19

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by MAK:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Simms:
...If you are ever over in England slippy you are more than welcome to come and assist for a day.

Only if it's an open bar. ;-)

Uh huh, I always try to blag a meal and a tab at the bar. Next year I am pushing for a place at the top table.

Get the seat next to the bride ;)

Oooo, you sh*t stirrer, don't let Ange see that..

Odds are better between a couple of bridesmaids.

08/27/2009 03:18:51 PM · #20

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by MAK:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Simms:
...If you are ever over in England slippy you are more than welcome to come and assist for a day.

Only if it's an open bar. ;-)

Uh huh, I always try to blag a meal and a tab at the bar. Next year I am pushing for a place at the top table.

Get the seat next to the bride ;)

Oooo, you sh*t stirrer, don't let Ange see that..

Odds are better between a couple of bridesmaids.

Bridesmaids/ushers - any port in a storm.

kevip6

08/27/2009 03:27:01 PM · #21

Originally posted by Simms:

Bridesmaids/ushers - any port in a storm.

We do have a TWIN room this weekend don't we?

08/27/2009 03:55:22 PM · #22

Originally posted by kevip6:

Originally posted by Simms:
Bridesmaids/ushers - any port in a storm.

We do have a TWIN room this weekend don't we?

Oh yes, I am quite sure of it..

bring lube.

trevytrev

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

08/27/2009 03:59:53 PM · #23

The bride is fair game until they consummate;-)

kevip6