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Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

07/22/2009 09:23:35 AM · #1

I'm quite sure this has been asked before...

But I know that there are several people who go through a challenge and vote each photo a 1 or a 2....and then go back later to do their real voting.

Can someone explain to me why you would do that? What is the logic or reasoning behind that? And I don't mean just voting everyone a 1 or a 2, but this goes to the people who vote everyone a 10 also.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

07/22/2009 09:28:24 AM · #2

I expect it is just to watch the fun ensue in the scores thread as everyone gripes about trolls and how their entry is not *that* bad.

ambaker

Google Glass Google Glass

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

07/22/2009 09:34:18 AM · #3

The only reason I can think of, is that it takes voting on at least 20% of the images for a person's vote to count.

So if you go through and vote them all, you have your 20% covered and you can go back and adjust the ones you care about.

I think this explains all the ones and twos I get. The just aren't getting around to correcting their vote on my image. It could explain why I get a 10 now and then. Evidently fewer people give all tens, and than all ones and twos. ;-)

Personally I don't do that. I don't often give a 10 in the first round. I usually only give one ten; at most I give two of them in a challenge. So after I vote I go through my votes and see how the pictures compare, and look to see if any move up or down.

I seldom give ones either. A one for me, would be a picture that does not meet challenge, and is extremely poort technically, and has a poor composition. 1 to me says, there are very few ways this picture could get any worse.

Steef

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 400mm f/5.6L USM

07/22/2009 09:34:59 AM · #4

or they just want to see all the shots in the challenge first before voting for real. maybe clicking on the next arrow isn't as easy as using the '1' for them and if they gave everyone 9's they would be raising false hopes.

...maybe?

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

07/22/2009 09:36:40 AM · #5

Originally posted by ambaker:

1 to me says, there are very few ways this picture could get any worse.

I agree, but somehow we all manage to get our share of 1's.

07/22/2009 10:11:42 AM · #6

Originally posted by ambaker:

The problem I see with this is, why do you need to give everyone a certain score to reach 20%? What good does reaching 20% do if you only go back and change 10% of the entry votes? You just scewed the scores (yes I know it's only one person, but just view it as a whole). So there may be shots in there that you would give an 8 too, but you gave it a 1 because you didn't get to it during voting...and a shot in there that deserves a 4 and you gave it a 4 because you managed to get to it in time. The voter has just placed a lower scoring photo above a photo that deserved a better score. Hope that make sense.

Reaching 20% shouldn't be as important as getting accurate votes. If you only make it through 15% with your actual vote, why would you want the other 85% to receive 1's?

07/22/2009 10:16:01 AM · #7

Originally posted by steefmcbeef:

So wouldn't it be better to give everyone a 5, so you aren't raising or lowering their final score? that way you just have to move up or down, but you gave everyone an average score to begin with (almost as if not voting at all). And you still run into the problem of...what if you don't finish voting? You still would have just screwed alot of the people that you scored that number to.

07/22/2009 10:18:27 AM · #8

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

I expect it is just to watch the fun ensue in the scores thread as everyone gripes about trolls and how their entry is not *that* bad.

This has to be it. This is the only logical reason I can see someone doing it. I wonder if SC can block someone from doing this? Like if they see so many numbers in a row, they block the user from voting. Say if the voters hands out 15 1's in a row, that users voting is disabled for the challenge and their votes are scrubbed.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

07/22/2009 10:18:56 AM · #9

has anyone experienced this.
during voting on a macbook if you do cmd+ to zoom in a couple of times it allocates a 10 and moves on!!
bit of a pain as I then have to go back and fix it, which I do immediately by the way and not after I have finished.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

07/22/2009 10:19:32 AM · #10

Originally posted by albc28:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I expect it is just to watch the fun ensue in the scores thread as everyone gripes about trolls and how their entry is not *that* bad.

This has to be it. This is the only logical reason I can see someone doing it. I wonder if SC can block someone from doing this? Like if they see so many numbers in a row, they block the user from voting. Say if the voters hands out 15 1's in a row, that users voting is disabled for the challenge and their votes are scrubbed.

The scrubber runs at the end of the challenge.

07/22/2009 10:20:43 AM · #11

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by albc28:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I expect it is just to watch the fun ensue in the scores thread as everyone gripes about trolls and how their entry is not *that* bad.

This has to be it. This is the only logical reason I can see someone doing it. I wonder if SC can block someone from doing this? Like if they see so many numbers in a row, they block the user from voting. Say if the voters hands out 15 1's in a row, that users voting is disabled for the challenge and their votes are scrubbed.

The scrubber runs at the end of the challenge.

But I do wonder if the scrubber works if someone goes through voting 1 2 3 1 2 3 etc

07/22/2009 10:27:41 AM · #12

Originally posted by Lutchenko:

wow...I didn't even know you can zoom in! 4 years of voting and I just learned something new.

07/22/2009 10:32:29 AM · #13

Originally posted by Lutchenko:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by albc28:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I expect it is just to watch the fun ensue in the scores thread as everyone gripes about trolls and how their entry is not *that* bad.

This has to be it. This is the only logical reason I can see someone doing it. I wonder if SC can block someone from doing this? Like if they see so many numbers in a row, they block the user from voting. Say if the voters hands out 15 1's in a row, that users voting is disabled for the challenge and their votes are scrubbed.

The scrubber runs at the end of the challenge.

But I do wonder if the scrubber works if someone goes through voting 1 2 3 1 2 3 etc

I think the scrubber looks for malicious activity so it may look for patterns like that (I think). But what I'm more concerned about is let say there are 150 entries that the voter initially gave a 1. And by the end of the challenge the voter only made it to 75 actual votes. The spread could look something like 1 1 5 8 1 1 1 6 1 8 where it doesn't look malicious by the end of voting. (and I use the word malicious, but knowing that the voter may not have malicious intent in doing so).

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

07/22/2009 10:33:05 AM · #14

Originally posted by albc28:

Originally posted by Lutchenko:
has anyone experienced this.
during voting on a macbook if you do cmd+ to zoom in a couple of times it allocates a 10 and moves on!!
bit of a pain as I then have to go back and fix it, which I do immediately by the way and not after I have finished.

wow...I didn't even know you can zoom in! 4 years of voting and I just learned something new.

lol... ok here is another for you then... (macbook yeah) cmd shift 4 this brings up a cursor.
if you click and drag it makes a screen shot of what is inside the box and places the image file on your desktop.

Did you know that one? :)

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

07/22/2009 10:41:57 AM · #15

Originally posted by albc28:

Why would you want to zoom in? The pictures are edited to look good at their set size, not blown up. Something that looks fine at 640 may look like total crap at 1500.

Originally posted by ambaker:

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Personally I don't do that. I don't often give a 10 in the first round. I usually only give one ten; at most I give two of them in a challenge. So after I vote I go through my votes and see how the pictures compare, and look to see if any move up or down

I never got this type of thinking either. Are you saying you never see more than 1 or 2 pictures that deserve a 10 in one challenge? They are not finite. You can give as many as you feel deserve it. I usually have many, many 10's in a FS. I gave 36 tens in the flower challenge. I'm not saying every challenge has entries that deserve a 10, but usually it's the case.

VitaminB

Nikon D800

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

07/22/2009 11:12:15 AM · #16

I think some people vote 1's on images to intentionally sabotage a persons score. Sometimes you see images where there are more 1s than there are 2, 3's, combined, and the vote graph shows an abnormal distribution of 1s.

07/22/2009 11:14:10 AM · #17

Originally posted by VitaminB:

I think you have hit the nail on the head

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

07/22/2009 11:18:14 AM · #18

"Why would you want to zoom in? The pictures are edited to look good at their set size, not blown up. Something that looks fine at 640 may look like total crap at 1500."

Depends on the size of your monitor...

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

07/22/2009 11:45:00 AM · #19

Originally posted by Lutchenko:

And upon the resolution at which it's set. If your monitor were set at 640 pixels, a basic-challenge entry would fill the screen. Those with very large, high-end graphic arts monitors are usually running them at a very high resolution also; thus, the icons and the type are very small, and displayed images are quite small, taking up only a small portion of the screen real estate. I frequently find myself zooming on very detailed images just so I can be sure I'm not missing something that others can see at larger display sizes.

Incidentally, if you use Firefox and have a wheel mouse, you can enable an add-on called "image zoom" that allows you to zoom in or out by holding down the control key and spinning the wheel...

R.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

07/22/2009 12:02:04 PM · #20

Originally posted by albc28:

But I know that there are several people who go through a challenge and vote each photo a 1 or a 2....and then go back later to do their real voting.

How do you know this?

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

07/22/2009 12:06:48 PM · #21

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by albc28:
But I know that there are several people who go through a challenge and vote each photo a 1 or a 2....and then go back later to do their real voting.

How do you know this?

Yes very good question...

VitaminB

Nikon D800

07/22/2009 01:04:52 PM · #22

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Incidentally, if you use Firefox and have a wheel mouse, you can enable an add-on called "image zoom" that allows you to zoom in or out by holding down the control key and spinning the wheel...

R.

I did not know that :) Sounds like a decent tool. My monitor does not warrant image zooming yet (Im working on a laptop), but I will be getting a new desktop when Windows 7 is released, so I'm looking forward to that tool. Thanks.