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07/05/2009 11:11:57 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
Oh what money does to people....I always thought McNair was one of those nice guys too. |
I am intrigues...was there something to indicate that he wasn't?
Ray |
Not really Ray, the only thing that comes to mind is that no one knows what really happened, and its a shame he had to die that way. He was a classy sport. |
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07/05/2009 11:51:48 PM · #27 |
Well, whatever the case, I'm glad that I have had many opportunities to see and photograph him in action during his time with both the Ravens and the Titans. I did some digging through my archives to see what shots I had of him. These are from various games dating back to 2003 against the Steelers:
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07/06/2009 09:16:01 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
Oh what money does to people....I always thought McNair was one of those nice guys too. |
I am intrigues...was there something to indicate that he wasn't?
Ray |
Um... the fact that he was married with small children and yet had a young girlfriend on the side springs to mind...
Message edited by author 2009-07-06 09:16:20. |
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07/06/2009 11:13:57 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by shamrock:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
Oh what money does to people....I always thought McNair was one of those nice guys too. |
I am intrigues...was there something to indicate that he wasn't?
Ray |
Um... the fact that he was married with small children and yet had a young girlfriend on the side springs to mind... |
Not being familiar with the specifics of his family life and his rapport with his spouse I truly cannot pronounce myself on that aspect of the scenario. It would seem that he had a very generous nature and gave freely of himself and truly did strive to assist the less fortunate in society.
Does his altruism negate the fact that he cheated on his wife, absolutely NOT, but neither does this indiscretion negate the good sides to this man's character... surely some sense of balance should prevail in such scenarios.
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07/06/2009 11:15:43 AM · #30 |
| Thanks Alan. wonderful shots. |
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07/06/2009 11:24:58 AM · #31 |
| We all fall short of the glory...We all have things in our lives that others could judge us negatively by...It is important to simply recognize another frail human life is gone. This one in particular, among others recently, had some fame where many recognized who he was. To me, he was an awesome football player whose wife was a nurse and helped him heal after every game. The man was tough as nails and was one who I believed could have competed in the golden age of football when players of the caliber of Unitas played. It is a game...and he had a life outside the game. I for one will not judge the trespasses as I have many of my own. I only hope I am not remembered for those above the ones I see as good. We all battle this flesh we are encased in and can only hope to do better. But we all fall short... |
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07/06/2009 12:02:06 PM · #32 |
| It is interesting that it is easier to defend an NFL QB than a Governor, given some of the same actions by both. Speaks volumes as to the state of politics(and politicians) in the US. :( |
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07/06/2009 12:10:26 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by mpeters:
It is interesting that it is easier to defend an NFL QB than a Governor, given some of the same actions by both. Speaks volumes as to the state of politics(and politicians) in the US. :( |
I certainly hold the same thoughts regarding Governor Sanford's situation. In his case, I think he is handling his situation very poorly. I certainly will not judge him, however, because I am not sure how I would even react in a similar situation.
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07/06/2009 12:20:34 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by stupidcat:
Originally posted by mpeters:
It is interesting that it is easier to defend an NFL QB than a Governor, given some of the same actions by both. Speaks volumes as to the state of politics(and politicians) in the US. :( |
I certainly hold the same thoughts regarding Governor Sanford's situation. In his case, I think he is handling his situation very poorly. I certainly will not judge him, however, because I am not sure how I would even react in a similar situation. |
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07/06/2009 07:42:50 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by mpeters:
It is interesting that it is easier to defend an NFL QB than a Governor, given some of the same actions by both. Speaks volumes as to the state of politics(and politicians) in the US. :( |
The ACTIONS weren't the same... The ending results are also so different it's like comparing apples to oranges.. Governor went on national television and proclaimed his love for his mistress after being caught, McNair got caught by being murdered...
Human nature is going to automatically allow us to feel more sympathy for McNair off the bat even if we new each of these men personally..Of course it's easier to defend McNair, he's not holding a press conference explaining to the world how he's going to try & fall back in love with his wife and then go on to tell us about all the "other" times he may have cheated on her.. It's just not the same regardless of what these men did for a living.. |
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07/06/2009 07:50:43 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by mpeters:
It is interesting that it is easier to defend an NFL QB than a Governor, given some of the same actions by both. Speaks volumes as to the state of politics(and politicians) in the US. :( |
I don't recall McNair voting in the House of Representatives to impeach the President on the grounds of what he said about an extra-martial sexual encounter, nor saying that we should let him tell us how to live our lives. |
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07/06/2009 08:01:01 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by kandykarml:
Originally posted by mpeters:
It is interesting that it is easier to defend an NFL QB than a Governor, given some of the same actions by both. Speaks volumes as to the state of politics(and politicians) in the US. :( |
The ACTIONS weren't the same... The ending results are also so different it's like comparing apples to oranges.. Governor went on national television and proclaimed his love for his mistress after being caught, McNair got caught by being murdered...
Human nature is going to automatically allow us to feel more sympathy for McNair off the bat even if we new each of these men personally..Of course it's easier to defend McNair, he's not holding a press conference explaining to the world how he's going to try & fall back in love with his wife and then go on to tell us about all the "other" times he may have cheated on her.. It's just not the same regardless of what these men did for a living.. |
For sure, being murdered is reason enough to feel more sympathy for McNair. If the same scenario had happened with Sanford, it would make me a lot more sympathetic towards him. As is, they were both screwing around...
I think for many of us, we "knew" McNair because of his profession. And he was by most accounts a good guy, active in the community, not in trouble with the law, etc. OTOH, i barely knew who Sanford was until he started stammering around on TV. That alone is enough to garner more sympathy for McNair.
After all, sports stars are our heroes...
I'm sorry it went down this way with McNair. Sanford? Can't feel a lot of sympathy for him, regardless of the circumstances. |
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07/06/2009 08:03:31 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by mpeters:
It is interesting that it is easier to defend an NFL QB than a Governor, given some of the same actions by both. Speaks volumes as to the state of politics(and politicians) in the US. :( |
I don't recall McNair voting in the House of Representatives to impeach the President on the grounds of what he said about an extra-martial sexual encounter, nor saying that we should let him tell us how to live our lives. |
I agree--Sanford hardly practiced what he preached. I'm not trying to defend him.
My underlying point(not well stated) was that in the same way that I expect my pastor to practice what he preaches, I expect/wish/hope that leaders of the country would do the same.
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07/06/2009 09:11:26 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by shamrock:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
Oh what money does to people....I always thought McNair was one of those nice guys too. |
I am intrigues...was there something to indicate that he wasn't?
Ray |
Um... the fact that he was married with small children and yet had a young girlfriend on the side springs to mind... |
Is it a crime to love more than one spouse? or people?? |
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07/06/2009 09:41:10 PM · #40 |
| All I know is that he was one of the toughest QBs to play the game. That's how I'll remember him. Shakespeare said "The evil a man does lives on. The good is interred with the bones." I won't fall prey. |
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07/08/2009 09:17:06 PM · #41 |
Now here's a surprise (/insert sarcasm)
Really?
Did anyone think it was gonna be anything different?
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07/09/2009 08:28:16 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
Is it a crime to love more than one spouse? or people?? |
Not at all. In fact, i'm pretty convinced that from a biological perspective, monogamy is a completely false construct and pretty difficult to adhere to. And i have no problem with someone having more than one spouse, a lover on the side, or just staying unmarried and playing the field. As long as everyone is informed and consensual, it's all good.
However; given that the wife had no idea that the girlfriend existed (from what i've read), and the girlfriend seemed pretty certain that there was yet another female in the picture, it seems very clear that he was not honest with his spouse and children. Which makes him, in my book, not a nice guy. And in my experience, folks who mistreat the fundamental relationships in their life are usually doing other things that aren't quite kosher. |
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