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07/02/2009 12:56:43 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Just out of curiosity, where did you get the idea that this car could be 15 years old?
The re-iteration of the S-Type was introduced in 1999, and if the grille is the original one, that's an S-Type R which was introduced in 2003.... |
I agree with Jeb, as a lover of Jags this S-Type is not 15 years old. The one from 15 years ago, the XJS looks very different to the Ford redesign.
But beyond that, it's just a picture where people vote. The picture is good, but here the "Challenge Topic" is king, followed by the queen of Technicals. |
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07/02/2009 01:03:34 PM · #27 |
Ya know, I've always been astonished at the photos I take that I like versus the photos that other people end up liking. That being said, DPC has provided real, constructive criticism unlike other places like personal blogs, facebook, flickr, et al. As far as growth, DPC has probably been the most influential in changing my view of composition, focus, color, and what it means to be compelling. So a low score is always an opportunity for improvement. And let's face it, if most people don't like it here, most people don't like it in general.
I think for me, the issues with the photo have less to do with the age of the car (though I think that's also an issue), but it's to do with the lighting which looks studio, but just misplaced. |
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07/02/2009 01:13:14 PM · #28 |
I didn't give you the best score Joe, because I was more concerned with the challenge topic than the quality of the photo. I was wrong, so please forgive me!
This post has been very eye-opening for me and has prompted me to re-read the voting rules.
I hope that others do the same!
We should all vote based on the rules and not personal opinion.
You should:
keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic.
You may not:
give an entry a lower score because you believe it violates the Challenge Rules.
//www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_rules.php?RULES_ID=13
Message edited by author 2009-07-02 13:13:51. |
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07/02/2009 01:16:13 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
I didn't give you the best score Joe, because I was more concerned with the challenge topic than the quality of the photo. I was wrong, so please forgive me!
This post has been very eye-opening for me and has prompted me to re-read the voting rules.
I hope that others do the same!
We should all vote based on the rules and not personal opinion.
You should:
keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic.
You may not:
give an entry a lower score because you believe it violates the Challenge Rules.
//www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_rules.php?RULES_ID=13 |
So.....you're saying that if the challenge topic is Bridges, and I submit a REALLY good image of an eggplant, your vote should be based on the quality of my image?
It's NOT an old car.
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07/02/2009 01:23:54 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
I didn't give you the best score Joe, because I was more concerned with the challenge topic than the quality of the photo. I was wrong, so please forgive me!
This post has been very eye-opening for me and has prompted me to re-read the voting rules.
I hope that others do the same!
We should all vote based on the rules and not personal opinion.
You should:
keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic. |
So "old" could be interpreted by some as "drove it off the showroom floor an hour ago"? Or we could assume that a green entry in a red challenge was taken by a color blind member and should not be penalized. Such broad interpretation of that rule leads to meaningless challenge topics.
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
We should all vote based on the rules and not personal opinion. |
If that were true, the votes could be automatically assigned by some software algorithm. |
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07/02/2009 01:31:05 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Just out of curiosity, where did you get the idea that this car could be 15 years old?
The re-iteration of the S-Type was introduced in 1999, and if the grille is the original one, that's an S-Type R which was introduced in 2003.... |
Once again, absolutely. |
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07/02/2009 01:32:24 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
So.....you're saying that if the challenge topic is Bridges, and I submit a REALLY good image of an eggplant, your vote should be based on the quality of my image?
It's NOT an old car. |
The photographer has a right to their own interpretation of the challenge topic. An eggplant cannot be interpreted as a bridge (at least I hope not!). A 15 year old car, on the other hand, could possibly be interpreted as "old".
If the topic is "bridge" then the submitted photo must be of a bridge. If the topic is "long bridge", would you give someone a low score for a photo of a beautiful arch bridge because it's old and not as long as more modern bridges like the Golden Gate?
The topic was "Old Cars", not "Cars older than 15 years". I think old can be interpreted differently.
I should add that I consider my parents 13 year old minivan to be pretty darn old!
Message edited by author 2009-07-02 13:33:01. |
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07/02/2009 01:36:53 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
[quote=johnnyphoto] We should all vote based on the rules and not personal opinion. |
If that were true, the votes could be automatically assigned by some software algorithm. |
I realize that was not the best wording...
What I should say is that we shouldn't allow our opinions of the photographer's interpretation of the challenge topic to take priority over the voting rules. |
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07/02/2009 01:40:29 PM · #34 |
| I don't get it. You set yourself up for this -upon your description this is pretty obvious. I am disappointed with voting about 50% of the time when I enter ... it is normal. Just move on. |
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07/02/2009 01:46:43 PM · #35 |
| I've seen it over and over on DPC: someone will say "I know I'll probably get a lot of DNMCs from know-nothings..." and then get upset when they get a lot of DNMCs. Just human nature at work. I'm sure I've done the same. |
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07/02/2009 01:48:03 PM · #36 |
I believe this means that if you think someone broke 'RULES' (like merging to images together), you should not vote it down. If you think it doesn't meet the challenge (the challenge topic is NOT a RULE), you can vote accordingly.
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07/02/2009 01:49:06 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
The photographer has a right to their own interpretation of the challenge topic. An eggplant cannot be interpreted as a bridge (at least I hope not!). A 15 year old car, on the other hand, could possibly be interpreted as "old". |
Again, the car is still in production, and at oldest, can only be ten years old, and as I said earlier, if the grille hasn't been changed, it's an S-Type R that wasn't introduced until 2003.
That'd make it SIX years old.
It's NOT an old car.
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07/02/2009 01:52:19 PM · #38 |
A close cousin to the self-fulfilling prophesy, introducing: the voter-fulfilled prophesy!
This entire topic is why things like the Posthumous Ribbons exist ... because the status quo isn't EVERYTHING - neither is a high score.
PS: 
I knew people would vote this down because it was a FORD. ;)
Originally posted by citymars:
I've seen it over and over on DPC: someone will say "I know I'll probably get a lot of DNMCs from know-nothings..." and then get upset when they get a lot of DNMCs. Just human nature at work. I'm sure I've done the same. |
Message edited by author 2009-07-02 14:00:38. |
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07/02/2009 02:15:38 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It's NOT an old car. |
Subjective.
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07/02/2009 02:17:30 PM · #40 |
This is true to an extent. An open mind is required for many of the shots here, but it is also something that is learned. Violating a challenge rule does not mean DNMC. The challenge "requirements" were an old car. Now I can keep an open mind and say an old truck or an old toy car, but but "old" is still in the equation. A challenge rule is "You may not: spot-edit your entry, except to remove sensor dust or hot pixels." If you violate it, you could be DQd. But we are not supposed to let a possible rule breaker affect our voting until the site council deals with it though validation.
Huge difference here IMO. |
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07/02/2009 02:18:56 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It's NOT an old car. |
Subjective. |
And hence his range of scores. Nobody's wrong, per se. |
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07/02/2009 02:33:12 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It's NOT an old car. |
Subjective. |
And hence his range of scores. Nobody's wrong, per se. |
Absolutely. The only ones who are wrong are the ones who are saying this isn't old and the ones who are saying that it is old.
;) |
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07/02/2009 02:35:58 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It's NOT an old car. |
Subjective. |
And hence his range of scores. Nobody's wrong, per se. |
Absolutely. The only ones who are wrong are the ones who are saying this isn't old and the ones who are saying that it is old.
;) |
duh |
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07/02/2009 02:46:39 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by LadyK:
couldnt everyone just ignore this post instead of having a huge argument about how stupid it is |
what fun would that be? |
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07/02/2009 02:55:18 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Jdroullard:
Originally posted by LadyK:
couldnt everyone just ignore this post instead of having a huge argument about how stupid it is |
what fun would that be? |
its the people who take it seriously are the ones that ruin it;) |
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07/02/2009 03:02:15 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by LadyK:
Originally posted by Jdroullard:
Originally posted by LadyK:
couldnt everyone just ignore this post instead of having a huge argument about how stupid it is |
what fun would that be? |
its the people who take it seriously are the ones that ruin it;) |
Actually, viewed in a different perspective, there is a lot to be said for adhering to rules and the interpretations contained therein.
If during the course of engagement in a military theatre I send scouts to gather information regarding the deployment of enemy troops, I would expect the ensuing report to deal with that very subject and have them extoll the beauties of the surrounding landscape.
Call me old and steadfast in my approach, but there are instances where the degree of leeway in an interpretation is not as vast as some would have us believe.
Ray |
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07/02/2009 03:11:19 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by LadyK:
Originally posted by Jdroullard:
Originally posted by LadyK:
couldnt everyone just ignore this post instead of having a huge argument about how stupid it is |
what fun would that be? |
its the people who take it seriously are the ones that ruin it;) |
Actually, viewed in a different perspective, there is a lot to be said for adhering to rules and the interpretations contained therein.
If during the course of engagement in a military theatre I send scouts to gather information regarding the deployment of enemy troops, I would expect the ensuing report to deal with that very subject and have them extoll the beauties of the surrounding landscape.
Call me old and steadfast in my approach, but there are instances where the degree of leeway in an interpretation is not as vast as some would have us believe.
Ray |
I agree. And if I had posted a pick of my 15 year old Ford Taurus, my guess is, it wouldn't have gotten top 10, either. :)
Now maybe a 1950's Ford Taurus. lol |
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07/02/2009 03:18:28 PM · #48 |
If a low score on a challenge entry causes you to consider leaving, then it seems your choices are limited. You can continue entering and then feel slighted, you can alter your style, technique, and subject matter to conform to "typical" favorites of the voters, you can stay and stop entering, or you can leave.
If the only or most important thing to you is scores, I think you are missing out, but that's just me. If a bad score is that devastating to you, you might need to take your ball and go home after all--sounds like you might not be able to play the game for the fun and experience of it. And it IS a game. |
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07/02/2009 03:19:02 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by sprite777:
Ford Taurus |
*Shudder* I've had 2 of those beasties. Never again.
Ford Tortoise
Message edited by author 2009-07-02 15:20:57. |
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07/02/2009 03:24:23 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by sprite777:
Ford Taurus |
*Shudder* I've had 2 of those beasties. Never again.
Ford Tortoise
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Yeah, I've definitely gone the Honda route in the last few years, but I had that for a few years, too. I was poor, and they're cheap (for good reason).
It was green, just like Conan O'Brien's! |
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