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 06/07/2009 10:16:15 PM · #26
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 06/07/2009 10:16:38 PM · #27
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 06/07/2009 10:21:12 PM · #28
hmmm, never heard of placking, and have never seen it. I'll have to look into it.

regarding the contract, I think it's easier saying, "no unauthorized copies". I would think that would cover physical or digital.
 06/07/2009 10:23:24 PM · #29
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 06/07/2009 10:59:46 PM · #30
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 06/07/2009 11:31:14 PM · #31
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 06/07/2009 11:48:37 PM · #32
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 06/08/2009 12:25:13 AM · #33
Originally posted by vawendy:
hmmm, never heard of placking, and have never seen it. I'll have to look into it.

regarding the contract, I think it's easier saying, "no unauthorized copies". I would think that would cover physical or digital.


I think he's referring to plaques :)
 06/08/2009 12:29:38 AM · #34
.luck!

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 06/08/2009 12:42:34 AM · #35
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 06/08/2009 12:50:44 AM · #36
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 06/08/2009 06:37:52 AM · #37
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 06/08/2009 08:24:37 AM · #38
Originally posted by Shutter-For-Hire:
what should I do???? please help me out here...


We already did. Our answers were clear and most were similar. Re-read my posts. Don't sell images for $5.00.
 06/08/2009 11:10:48 AM · #39
I think a lot of people are missing that the gallery owner is buying them up front. I don't think that is as common as consignment and will lower the price you can get. I think, in the beginning, I'd rather sell 10 8x12 @ $5 than print 10 8x12 and get $10 for every one sold. They could sit there for a lot time.

Get in the door. Give her the 10 prints for $5. If they sell well and she wants more then ask for more per print. If they don't sell well, then it's the lady out the money and not you.

The canvas may be a different issue.
 06/08/2009 12:47:01 PM · #40
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think a lot of people are missing that the gallery owner is buying them up front. I don't think that is as common as consignment and will lower the price you can get. I think, in the beginning, I'd rather sell 10 8x12 @ $5 than print 10 8x12 and get $10 for every one sold. They could sit there for a lot time.

Get in the door. Give her the 10 prints for $5. If they sell well and she wants more then ask for more per print. If they don't sell well, then it's the lady out the money and not you.

The canvas may be a different issue.


This is a good point--I would jump at the 8x12 opportunity quickly, follow up on the canvas opportunity in a timely way just behind it. The fact that she is buying rather than accepting on consignment is (a) unusual, and (b) indicative of her confidence that your work will sell :-)

Even the canvas thing might not be that big of a deal--it is one image, an opportunity to have a gallery display and sell your work, and it seems unlikely that you will lose money on it. Ten Prints and a Canvas may get you into a great long-term gig. It is easy for all of us to over-analyze the thing, but it is you there, looking her in the eye, getting the good or bad vibe, and weighing the risk/opportunity that really has the best information. 50% commission is not unheard of for new artists, but purchasing the prints outright is uncommon.

Good Luck!
 06/08/2009 12:59:34 PM · #41
Am I the only one that thinks it's absurd that the gallery is trying to buy works of art from the photographer for about the price of a cup Starbucks high-end coffee drink? I mean, c'mon... The shooter's gonna profit to the tune of the price of a Big Mac per print, if he's lucky?

Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather burn my prints than sell them that cheap; it's downright demeaning.

R.
 06/08/2009 01:07:47 PM · #42
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 06/08/2009 01:17:04 PM · #43
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Am I the only one that thinks it's absurd that the gallery is trying to buy works of art from the photographer for about the price of a cup Starbucks high-end coffee drink? I mean, c'mon... The shooter's gonna profit to the tune of the price of a Big Mac per print, if he's lucky?

Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather burn my prints than sell them that cheap; it's downright demeaning.

R.


Is there anybody reading my posts?
 06/08/2009 01:17:17 PM · #44
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Am I the only one that thinks it's absurd that the gallery is trying to buy works of art from the photographer for about the price of a cup Starbucks high-end coffee drink? I mean, c'mon... The shooter's gonna profit to the tune of the price of a Big Mac per print, if he's lucky?

Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather burn my prints than sell them that cheap; it's downright demeaning.

R.


How much do you think she's selling them for? I'm assuming we are talking about a print in a plastic envelope and maybe a single precut mat. $30? So right now the lady is making $25 and SFH is making $5. But she's paying 100% of the overhead (besides the print cost). The rent, the salary (if there are workers), the insurance, blah blah blah. And she's taking all the risk if they don't sell.

Like I said, consider the 8x12s "business cards". You aren't going to make any money on them anyway. You want to sell the 30x40 for $750. That's where the money is.

My 0.02. Don't think I'm an expert though.

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 06/08/2009 01:21:25 PM · #45
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 06/08/2009 01:36:20 PM · #46
Originally posted by yakatme:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Am I the only one that thinks it's absurd that the gallery is trying to buy works of art from the photographer for about the price of a cup Starbucks high-end coffee drink? I mean, c'mon... The shooter's gonna profit to the tune of the price of a Big Mac per print, if he's lucky?

Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather burn my prints than sell them that cheap; it's downright demeaning.

R.


Is there anybody reading my posts?


Yah, me, I was reinforcing you, basically. We're in agreement :-)

R.
 06/08/2009 01:39:25 PM · #47
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather burn my prints than sell them that cheap; it's downright demeaning.


How much do you think she's selling them for? I'm assuming we are talking about a print in a plastic envelope and maybe a single precut mat. $30? So right now the lady is making $25 and SFH is making $5. But she's paying 100% of the overhead (besides the print cost). The rent, the salary (if there are workers), the insurance, blah blah blah. And she's taking all the risk if they don't sell.

Like I said, consider the 8x12s "business cards". You aren't going to make any money on them anyway. You want to sell the 30x40 for $750. That's where the money is.

My 0.02. Don't think I'm an expert though.


I donno, Doc; I just have a hard time wrapping my head around a business model where I produce cheap, mass-produced 8x10's for a buck seventy-five and then sell 'em to a gallery for five bucks. I guess I come from a different age or something? Maybe that's the way the world works right now, but as far as I'm concerned if five bucks is all they'll pay me for my prints, I'd rather burn 'em....

R.

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 06/08/2009 01:41:09 PM · #48
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 06/08/2009 01:58:59 PM · #49
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I donno, Doc; I just have a hard time wrapping my head around a business model where I produce cheap, mass-produced 8x10's for a buck seventy-five and then sell 'em to a gallery for five bucks. I guess I come from a different age or something? Maybe that's the way the world works right now, but as far as I'm concerned if five bucks is all they'll pay me for my prints, I'd rather burn 'em....

R.


At least it's a log difference from microstock where you are getting 0.05. :) I guess I just don't think the money is in the 8x12s and getting into a gallery is difficult. You can't just show up with large prints and make a few hundred on each on day one. But I may have a different view because I've got a day job and I'm not trying to make a living on my photos.
 06/08/2009 02:00:04 PM · #50
Originally posted by Shutter-For-Hire:
gotta start somewhere right?

... any suggestions on the contract?


My suggestion is you forget about it until you get to order #2. :) I just think the benefit of the protection is outweighed by the risk that you poison the relationship from day #1. Look at it this way, what are you really gaining by having a little three line contract if she does copy your prints and sell them? You already have a right to sue her. I doubt your little contract is going to make that any easier.

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