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01/17/2004 12:24:13 AM · #1 |
| Just wondering exactly that, with 2 out of the 9 front page winners having been disqualified and I recall a couple more recently since the new rules have been put forth. Hmmmmm. Perhaps we should go back and make every top five prove that they didn't break any rules ;) Wouldn't THAT be fun! |
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01/17/2004 12:57:49 AM · #2 |
| Seems to me, what's past is past. Let sleeping dogs lie, so to speak. |
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01/17/2004 01:14:38 AM · #3 |
We actually just had a discussion about this internally. It would probably not be practical for several reasons. First, there is no precedent for asking users to provide proof for entries from challenges that far back, and therefore I don't think we can reasonably expect or require that a photographer retained an unaltered original from early 2002, for example. Second, there are many winners who, for various reasons, have moved on to other interests, and are no longer active on the site. To expect that they comply with a request to provide proof of an entry, or even to expect that they have kept their email address current with the site, is simply not realistic.
Please note that, as usual, this does not represent an official opinion of DPChallenge, only my own understanding of the conversation that took place.
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01/17/2004 01:32:36 AM · #4 |
You forgot to mention the part where it would mean validating 800+ entries, while the 5-20 per challenge that we currently have is barely manageable.
(Dear DPC, I just got laid off. If you take me on as a fulltime employee, I will do this!)
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01/17/2004 01:49:44 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by mk:
(Dear DPC, I just got laid off. If you take me on as a fulltime employee, I will do this!) |
You'd qualify (along with Heather) for one of the special black icons ... |
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01/17/2004 04:57:36 AM · #6 |
Paige: Although I understand what you are trying to say, the title to your discussion is exactly why I am pushing so hard to be reinstated for my disqualified entry. You are suggesting that the ones who were disqualified intentionally submitted pictures that did not follow the rules of the contest. In fact, in my case that could not be further from the truth. I have made every effort to prove that my picture was ligitimate and have offered other proof of its legitimacy. The error was in the settings in the camera which I unknowingly never set properly. I understand the reason for my disqualification but it is important to me to set the record straight.
Message edited by author 2004-01-17 04:58:19. |
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01/17/2004 08:50:09 AM · #7 |
| i think your owl should be reinstated - if you scan your zoo tickets and send them over to the administration, it should be good enough... just as good as exif. |
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01/17/2004 09:43:42 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by basia03:
i think your owl should be reinstated - if you scan your zoo tickets and send them over to the administration, it should be good enough... just as good as exif. |
I have offered to provide the validated Zoo tickets for January 3, 2004. I am waiting to hear back. The EXIF file says the picture of the owl in the "resolution" challenge as well as my "Polar Bear Love" picture taken on the same date for the Action challenge were taken on April 25, 2003. Certainly I would have had the opportunity to use both of these pictures in a contest prior to this if in fact the April 25th date were accurate. |
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01/17/2004 11:29:10 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by lnede:
Originally posted by basia03:
i think your owl should be reinstated - if you scan your zoo tickets and send them over to the administration, it should be good enough... just as good as exif. |
I have offered to provide the validated Zoo tickets for January 3, 2004. I am waiting to hear back. The EXIF file says the picture of the owl in the "resolution" challenge as well as my "Polar Bear Love" picture taken on the same date for the Action challenge were taken on April 25, 2003. Certainly I would have had the opportunity to use both of these pictures in a contest prior to this if in fact the April 25th date were accurate. |
Could you send both of those to my attention? You can send them to dpchallenge [at] clubjuggle [dot] com.
-Terry
Message edited by author 2004-01-17 11:29:23.
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01/17/2004 11:42:32 AM · #10 |
| Lawrence, Does your camera number each image in order? Mine does. Perhaps you could go take a shot today and send it in. If the numbers of today's shot and the owl shot are somewhat close, I would think that would help prove your case. (Make sure your date is correct before you shoot the new one). |
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01/17/2004 12:04:47 PM · #11 |
| lnede, if you haven't already set the accurate date in your camera, it might be a good idea to shoot a frame of today's paper showing the date. That file would be a record of the difference between the actual date (as shown by the paper) and the one your camera is recording in the EXIF data. Forwarding a copy to the Site Council on the same date you take it will "lock-in" when it was taken. |
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01/17/2004 10:55:00 PM · #12 |
| all these suggestions show that you have a lot of support here, and it should be considered by the administration... i am familiar with discussions about other "dq"ed pictures and this is clearly a totally different case. |
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01/17/2004 11:21:51 PM · #13 |
| Thank you all for your suggestions. Just got home. Its late. I will try these ideas tomorrow. Thank you again. Larry |
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01/18/2004 01:12:01 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by basia03:
all these suggestions show that you have a lot of support here, and it should be considered by the administration... i am familiar with discussions about other "dq"ed pictures and this is clearly a totally different case. |
This is a different case, however, the person we just found to be cheating on over 1/2 his entries also claimed his camera dates were off. However, I found proof that he was in fact lying.
I do trust what lnede says is true, and we are trying to validate this as soon as we can. It seems to be in agreement through the site council that we believe him. there seems to be some upload issues though for his originals, and it is taking longer than we had hoped to obtain the proof on his originals.
I only mention this so people don't think we are ignoring the issue or something. We are trying to resolve this, and as soon as those originals come through, I'm sure it will be taken care of. |
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01/18/2004 09:19:39 AM · #15 |
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01/18/2004 03:37:53 PM · #16 |
I feel that I must weigh in on this...
I am sorry that the picture was DQed for something like the date being set wrong in camera, however, as so many of you are quick to point out, there are rules here and they should be followed
To allow an exception on this would be a very bad precedent to set
The original photo should be the deciding factor to make the review and decision on, it has already been determined that the date on the photo is outside the challenge dates, there really should be no further discussion on this matter.
I am probably in the minority on this but what is the use of having rules if they are not going to be followed. If an exception is made here, be ready to make exceptions in every challenge, because I am sure that it will come.
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01/18/2004 06:47:50 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by rickhd13:
If an exception is made here, be ready to make exceptions in every challenge, because I am sure that it will come. |
Exceptions have been made, which is probably partly why we're in this. However, if one is made this time, I think you can be pretty sure it's going to be the last time. |
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01/18/2004 06:50:04 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by rickhd13:
If an exception is made here, be ready to make exceptions in every challenge, because I am sure that it will come. |
Exceptions have been made, which is probably partly why we're in this. However, if one is made this time, I think you can be pretty sure it's going to be the last time. |
I can understand it, and thats why I was saying this.
But, you know, every time you try to do what you think is the right thing, it always seems to somehow come back and bite you in the ass.
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01/18/2004 07:08:32 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by rickhd13:
But, you know, every time you try to do what you think is the right thing, it always seems to somehow come back and bite you in the ass. |
Yes, I know that as "no good deed goes unpunished."
I'm just sick of dealing with it ... it doesn't put me in a very good frame of mind to be creative with my own photos. |
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