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04/30/2009 03:57:40 PM · #51 |
I believe 100% that he would acknowlege you if he were given the chance.
Originally posted by AJHopp:
I don't consider Obama to be MY President, technicalities aside. He may be THE President or A President but not MINE. I just flat out don't acknowledge him.
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04/30/2009 04:17:01 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by AJHopp:
If I want to sit with my fingers in my ears and my hands over my eyes, I'll sit. It's the only way I can make it through this man's term. Obama does not represent ANYTHING I believe in, and if he says he does, he's lying. Therefore he does not represent me. Period. |
A good reminder that, no matter how high the approval ratings or percentage of people who think the country is headed in the right direction, you can't please everyone. Even now, there are people in the world who still long for the "good old days" of Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini, etc. Obama's goals of government honesty, transparency & accountability, strong education, affordable healthcare, international diplomacy, personal freedom and equality, energy independence and forbidding torture may not represent ANYTHING you believe in, but you're as free to hold that opinion as I am to be thankful most people do not. |
accountability, that's hilarious. in case you've missed it, he's already denied responsibility for anything negative regarding the bailout, which ironically he had more to do with than Bush since he was in the senate and was a part of that circus, and has already spent more money than Bush could ever dream of, as if there were no other options out there besides gov't control. on top of that, his cabinet appointments have been a shameful bunch of tax evaders and criminals (if you break the law you're a criminal). geithner takes the cake as an affront to accountability. but i guess his "goals" are more important than reality. and this is why people who disagree with Obama see those who do agree with him as cultish followers of some messiah-like figure--they see this willingness to believe everything that is said and an unwillingness to look at the reality of the situation. and it has been perfectly orchestrated from the beginning. |
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04/30/2009 04:17:03 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Obama's goals of government honesty, transparency & accountability, strong education, affordable healthcare, international diplomacy, personal freedom and equality, energy independence and forbidding torture may not represent ANYTHING you believe in, but you're as free to hold that opinion as I am to be thankful most people do not. |
Yeah, I want to memorize that so I can say it to my brother-in-law this summer. :-D |
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04/30/2009 04:18:10 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by joshua:
this is why people who disagree with Obama see those who do agree with him as cultish followers of some messiah-like figure--they see this willingness to believe everything that is said and an unwillingness to look at the reality of the situation. and it has been perfectly orchestrated from the beginning. |
Wow, just like the war in Iraq with Bush/Cheney & Company. It's like Alice through the Looking Glass! :-D |
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04/30/2009 04:18:57 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by AJHopp:
If I want to sit with my fingers in my ears and my hands over my eyes, I'll sit. It's the only way I can make it through this man's term. Obama does not represent ANYTHING I believe in, and if he says he does, he's lying. Therefore he does not represent me. Period. |
A good reminder that, no matter how high the approval ratings or percentage of people who think the country is headed in the right direction, you can't please everyone. Even now, there are people in the world who still long for the "good old days" of Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini, etc. Obama's goals of government honesty, transparency & accountability, strong education, affordable healthcare, international diplomacy, personal freedom and equality, energy independence and forbidding torture may not represent ANYTHING you believe in, but you're as free to hold that opinion as I am to be thankful most people do not. |
Well, Shannon, funny you mention the good old days - we're about to go that direction in this country. And that your list even includes government HONESTY was enough to disqualify the rest of your statement. What global warming infested planet do you live in or on? LOL The "most people" you are referring to can't be the same I know of. Have you checked Amazon's site and the New York Times #1 book list for hardcover nonfiction? Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto is #1 at both and has been for weeks. That many people can't believe in the pretty, media regurgitated picture you just tried painting. LOL Please!
And geeeeeeeez, Robert - you make me sound like I don't pay taxes and contribute to the good of this wonderful country. Just because I refuse to be rounded up into the same herd of cattle you belong to, doesn't mean I don't respect the laws and democracy of this country. I live in the same field, I just choose not to eat the same patch of grass. So sue me! Better yet, take my part of the field and give it to someone else who doesn't work and lives off the government. Share the wealth!
Message edited by author 2009-04-30 16:27:14. |
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04/30/2009 04:20:16 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I believe 100% that he would acknowlege you if he were given the chance.
Originally posted by AJHopp:
I don't consider Obama to be MY President, technicalities aside. He may be THE President or A President but not MINE. I just flat out don't acknowledge him.
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Don't worry, I'll be acknowledged once my taxes go through the roof and all the way to Mars!
Message edited by author 2009-04-30 16:20:35. |
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04/30/2009 04:28:14 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by AJHopp:
Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto is #1 at both and has been for weeks. |
Yes, other hardcover nonfiction bestsellers include:
#04 MOMMYWOOD, by Tori Spelling with Hilary Liftin
#07 MIGHT AS WELL LAUGH ABOUT IT NOW, by Marie Osmond with Marcia Wilkie.
#08 JUST WHEN I THOUGHT I'D DROPPED MY LAST EGG, by Kathie Lee Gifford.
#09 A BOLD FRESH PIECE OF HUMANITY, by Bill O̢۪Reilly.
#11 ARE YOU THERE, VODKA? IT̢۪S ME, CHELSEA, by Chelsea Handler.
#15 PRICELESS MEMORIES, by Bob Barker with Digby Diehl. |
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04/30/2009 04:30:17 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by joshua:
this is why people who disagree with Obama see those who do agree with him as cultish followers of some messiah-like figure--they see this willingness to believe everything that is said and an unwillingness to look at the reality of the situation. and it has been perfectly orchestrated from the beginning. |
Wow, just like the war in Iraq with Bush/Cheney & Company. It's like Alice through the Looking Glass! :-D |
EXACTLY - and this is one of the problems of American democracy. no one on either side is willing to admit the truth about the people they support because our identities are so wrapped up in the personalities and views of those we admire that to admit error in that person would be to admit error in ourselves. our presidents are like superheroes, and until we see them differently, this will always be the case |
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04/30/2009 04:35:52 PM · #59 |
Looks like I might need to bring in a few more vendors. One's just not gonna be able to keep up!
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04/30/2009 04:58:49 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by AJHopp:
And geeeeeeeez, Robert - you make me sound like I don't pay taxes and contribute to the good of this wonderful country. Just because I refuse to be rounded up into the same herd of cattle you belong to, doesn't mean I don't respect the laws and democracy of this country. |
I don't mean to imply that at all. I am taking exception to a specific statement you made, that our president is not "your" leader. The statement rankles me deeply. He is OUR leader: WE elected him, collectively. You're part of "us", you're part of "we", for better or for worse he's YOUR leader.
R. |
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04/30/2009 05:04:48 PM · #61 |
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04/30/2009 05:09:41 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by AJHopp:
And geeeeeeeez, Robert - you make me sound like I don't pay taxes and contribute to the good of this wonderful country. Just because I refuse to be rounded up into the same herd of cattle you belong to, doesn't mean I don't respect the laws and democracy of this country. |
I don't mean to imply that at all. I am taking exception to a specific statement you made, that our president is not "your" leader. The statement rankles me deeply. He is OUR leader: WE elected him, collectively. You're part of "us", you're part of "we", for better or for worse he's YOUR leader.
R. |
Robert, I already acknowledged many posts ago that he is technically the President of this country. That's as far as it goes. I can't change that fact, even though I tried. However, I do not have to support him or his policies. "He is not MY President" is a figure of speech referring to that non-support, and that in no way means I do not support this country. How much more has to be said to make that clear?!
I feel the way I do, you feel the way you do. If anything rankles me deeply, it's the word COLLECTIVE. I'm not a Borg on Star Trek.
Message edited by author 2009-04-30 17:10:48. |
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04/30/2009 05:10:15 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by AJHopp:
And geeeeeeeez, Robert - you make me sound like I don't pay taxes and contribute to the good of this wonderful country. Just because I refuse to be rounded up into the same herd of cattle you belong to, doesn't mean I don't respect the laws and democracy of this country. |
I don't mean to imply that at all. I am taking exception to a specific statement you made, that our president is not "your" leader. The statement rankles me deeply. He is OUR leader: WE elected him, collectively. You're part of "us", you're part of "we", for better or for worse he's YOUR leader.
R. |
Good. Now, let's all (we) learn to critically evaluate those that serve on our behalf, whatever their affiliation.
Message edited by author 2009-04-30 17:10:29. |
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04/30/2009 05:18:08 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by joshua:
in case you've missed it, he's already denied responsibility for anything negative regarding the bailout... |
Bzzt! Looks like you're the one who missed it.
Originally posted by joshua:
his cabinet appointments have been a shameful bunch of tax evaders and criminals (if you break the law you're a criminal). |
Excuse me? You mean like this? Or this? Or this? Or maybe this?
Originally posted by AJHopp:
that your list even includes government HONESTY was enough to disqualify the rest of your statement. |
Why?
Originally posted by AJHopp:
The "most people" you are referring to can't be the same I know of. Have you checked Amazon's site and the New York Times #1 book list for hardcover nonfiction? Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto is #1 at both and has been for weeks. That many people can't believe in the pretty, media regurgitated picture you just tried painting. LOL Please! |
Obviously, that many can or it wouldn't have made the best seller list. 7/10 of people recently polled believe Obama understands the concerns of ordinary Americans and cares about "people like you." |
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04/30/2009 05:19:24 PM · #65 |
| Hopp, there isn't ANYTHING you can get on board with Obama on? Come on. With Bush I could at least dig the Do Not Call list. That was a fairly bitchin' idea. |
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04/30/2009 05:20:23 PM · #66 |
Extra butter, please! :o) |
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04/30/2009 05:21:08 PM · #67 |
Man who didn't see this coming? If you're not at the alter worshipping the president you're demonized. Happens every administration, dems and repubs just take turns playing the same roles. Perhaps one day we won't be a nation so full of hypocrites.
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04/30/2009 05:22:41 PM · #68 |
| It saddens me to hear folks (Fox and friends) that could not hear our president belittled four years ago, who used to say that anyone who attacked our President was anti-American and ought to move to France or some other ghastly place, now wish for any attempt Obama makes to revive our economy or steer the ship of state, go down in flames, even though it hurts our nation, in the hopes that their political viewpoints will become popular again. Agree or disagree on any given policy, but when you stand against anything the leader of this nation does without considering what that specific action is, its like declaring war on your own country. We are all on the same boat, please don't kick out the bottom, and if you have to relive yourself, aim outside the boat. |
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04/30/2009 05:23:23 PM · #69 |
Obviously, that many can or it wouldn't have made the best seller list. 7/10 of people recently polled believe Obama understands the concerns of ordinary Americans and cares about "people like you."
Boy, it sure is difficult to talk rationally with someone who believes polls. LOL Do you watch anything or listen to anything besides main stream media? |
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04/30/2009 05:25:18 PM · #70 |
| How about the Credit Card Bill of Rights? Raise your hand if you are against this one... |
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04/30/2009 05:28:41 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by AJHopp:
Boy, it sure is difficult to talk rationally with someone who believes polls. LOL Do you watch anything or listen to anything besides main stream media? |
Im guessing this means "fair and balanced" media, or does it go as high as Bill Kristol?
You can't point to the NY Times best seller list and then discount polls as being of any value without contradiction yourself, they are but just methods of gathering statistics, spun by those who will tell us what they imply.
bad spelling , Crystal or Kristol might make a difference
Message edited by author 2009-04-30 17:30:33. |
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04/30/2009 05:29:18 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by joshua:
in case you've missed it, he's already denied responsibility for anything negative regarding the bailout... |
Bzzt! Looks like you're the one who missed it.
Originally posted by joshua:
his cabinet appointments have been a shameful bunch of tax evaders and criminals (if you break the law you're a criminal). |
Excuse me? You mean like this? Or this? Or this? Or maybe this? |
good, you can use google. i can too. My Research Report of Obama's First 100
Message edited by author 2009-04-30 17:31:09. |
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04/30/2009 05:30:09 PM · #73 |
OK guys, as fun as this has been, enough is enough (at least for me). It's a free country, and we all have our views. I'm done explaining mine.
I'm off to eat at the Texas Roadhouse. Nothing like good, American red meat! :o)
I hope you all enjoy your evening... |
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04/30/2009 05:30:25 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by AJHopp:
Boy, it sure is difficult to talk rationally with someone who believes polls. LOL Do you watch anything or listen to anything besides main stream media? |
I'm sure ignoring polls or actual journalism would be so much more fun, but I have a particular fondness for reality. |
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04/30/2009 05:32:52 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by AJHopp:
Boy, it sure is difficult to talk rationally with someone who believes polls. LOL Do you watch anything or listen to anything besides main stream media? |
Im guessing this means "fair and balanced" media, or does it go as high as Bill Kristol?
You can't point to the NY Times best seller list and then discount polls as being of any value without contradiction yourself, they are but just methods of gathering statistics, spun by those who will tell us what they imply.
bad spelling , Crystal or Kristol might make a difference |
*SIGH* Brennan, I think it is much easier to track money spent than supposed phone calls or questionnaires answered.
And believe me, do you honestly think the NY Times would post a Conservative book if it wasn't factual info?
Now my steak is calling... |
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