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04/19/2009 10:21:03 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by MattO:
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I myself have learned there is only one way to avoid getting a DQ is to not push the rules and to stay far away from the gray areas. I also have learned not to squabble with the SC no one ever wins.
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I too will take this lesson from this experience and will not draw outside the lines from now on (pun intended). Too bad really, I had a lot of fun making this picture and I feel it was my most creative yet. Reward= 0. I shall now be an obedient sheep, if I decide it's worth it at all. Sucks, it's been really fun lately.
Message edited by author 2009-04-19 22:25:27. |
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04/19/2009 10:28:17 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by delin:
I too will take this lesson from this experience and will not draw outside the lines from now on (pun intended). Too bad really, I had a lot of fun making this picture and I feel it was my most creative yet. Reward= 0. I shall now be an obedient sheep, if I decide it's worth it at all. Sucks, it's been really fun lately. |
If you like your photo, take that as the reward. Don't limit yourself to just shooting for DPC... even though it may not have passed the rules test here, doesnt mean you should just discard any appreciation you have for your own photo. Print it out, hang it on your wall, enter it in at other sites, whatever... make the most of it. |
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04/19/2009 10:33:00 PM · #53 |
| Unless your on the SC team you can't do any extremely cool editing or it will get DQ'd. Once it does get DQ'd your chances of getting it back are very slim... For what it's worth to you the way you can find out where your image would have finished is to wait as long as you can to submit the original. If your subject to DQ and must provide your original I would wait until the very last 10 minutes of the last day to upload it because by the time they get around to checking it and everythin else the challenge will be over and you can at least see where you finished before they remove it, (if they do, you never really know. Rules are made up all the time and no one really knows about them). |
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04/19/2009 10:38:15 PM · #54 |
Getting a DQ is never fun, especially when you really like what you have created. My very first entry was a DQ. They didn't save the disqualified images in those days. All I did was crop the thing, and the software of the time left a 1 pixel wide black line down one side of the image. I didn't catch it. At the time borders were not allowed, and quick as you please my entry was over.
I have to admit that for several weeks I looked at every entry more for potential violations, than for merit. Once I cooled off a bit, I realized that there is so much more here and it was not the end of the world.
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04/19/2009 10:38:43 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Unless your on the SC team you can't do any extremely cool editing or it will get DQ'd. ... Rules are made up all the time and no one really knows about them). |
What are you smoking?! That's so far from the truth. Dude - get a grip. |
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04/19/2009 10:38:47 PM · #56 |
Good advice, thanks  dirt_diver and VitaminB, Ambaker
Message edited by author 2009-04-19 22:40:14. |
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04/19/2009 10:42:26 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Unless your on the SC team you can't do any extremely cool editing or it will get DQ'd. Once it does get DQ'd your chances of getting it back are very slim... For what it's worth to you the way you can find out where your image would have finished is to wait as long as you can to submit the original. If your subject to DQ and must provide your original I would wait until the very last 10 minutes of the last day to upload it because by the time they get around to checking it and everythin else the challenge will be over and you can at least see where you finished before they remove it, (if they do, you never really know. Rules are made up all the time and no one really knows about them). |
It's just a virtual ribbon, and there's no burning at the stake, (At least while Art's not around) so it really isn't worth getting that excited about.
If you let this isolated incident after two and a half years put you off your square, then that's your choice, but certainly it needn't be the end of it all.
Comparing it against another's work from a couple of years ago isn't going to do anything but aggravate you.
It's a growth and educational experience that you got at no charge, and didn't hurt anything except a little self-imposed dignity.
Was your score through the roof? Was it a ribbon contender? Do *YOU* think it's exceptional in every way?
If the answers aren't a resounding yes, then maybe it's best seen as an object lesson.
You've done some decent work here.....live, learn, and kick ass in the future!......8>)
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04/19/2009 10:45:53 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
What are you smoking?! That's so far from the truth. Dude - get a grip. |
No, he's right. Many people don't realize it, but when certain targeted people submit new entries, a big flashing light goes off at the SC Compound and we all rush to get together to scrutinize the new entries. Then we dream up obscure rules so we can DQ those particular shots. I'm sorry that it has taken this long for this ugly truth to come out.
EDIT to add: Oh, April 1 was how long ago...!?
Message edited by author 2009-04-19 22:47:28. |
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04/19/2009 11:20:54 PM · #59 |
This seems like it would be an unfair dq. Where do you draw the line? If selective desat is allowed then IT IS ALLOWED !
Let's say you used desat and left one STRIP of blue in the sky...is that a dq?
Let's say you used desat and left one CIRCLE of blue in the sky...is that a dq?
Let's say you used desat and left one POLYGON of blue in the sky...is that a dq?
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Imagine, for example, that someone took a picture of a plain blue sky, and then desaturated portions of it so it appeared to have text written in the sky saying, "Goodbye Cruel World!" This is an extreme example, but it's the kind of thing we do not permit because, even though the sky was in the original shot, using selective desaturation would add a new element (the fact that I used text as an example is irrelevant here -- imagine someone used this method to draw a house, or whatever).
The shot in question wasn't that extreme, but it did indeed use selective desaturation to create new elements that did not previously exist in this same manner. |
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04/19/2009 11:24:13 PM · #60 |
| well, in 37 minutes we'll know whether we agree or disagree. |
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04/19/2009 11:41:38 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Let's say you used desat and left one STRIP of blue in the sky...is that a dq?
Let's say you used desat and left one CIRCLE of blue in the sky...is that a dq?
Let's say you used desat and left one POLYGON of blue in the sky...is that a dq? |
Yes, all DQs. Per the rules, you can desaturate an existing object (the sky), but you cannot use any tool to create new shapes. |
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04/19/2009 11:54:41 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Let's say you used desat and left one STRIP of blue in the sky...is that a dq?
Let's say you used desat and left one CIRCLE of blue in the sky...is that a dq?
Let's say you used desat and left one POLYGON of blue in the sky...is that a dq? |
Yes, all DQs. Per the rules, you can desaturate an existing object (the sky), but you cannot use any tool to create new shapes. |
Wait, I'm totally confused now. Why wasn't the painting the sky shot DQ'd then? Different rule set? |
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04/19/2009 11:57:03 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
This seems like it would be an unfair dq. Where do you draw the line? If selective desat is allowed then IT IS ALLOWED ! |
Think it through. That simply doesn't work. Following that reasoning, I can write a caption in the sky, convert the text to a path, and use the path to desat that portion of the sky, and this would be legal.
The rules are actually pretty crystal clear on this: whatever tool you are using, it can't be used in such a way that it creates new shapes/objects where non existed before. You can manipulate existing shapes/objects extremely aggressively, but when you cross that line you're introducing graphic elements into the image, and that's totally a no-no.
R.
Message edited by author 2009-04-20 00:15:54.
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04/20/2009 12:03:35 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Why wasn't the painting the sky shot DQ'd then? Different rule set? |
What Bear_Music wrote just after you is correct IMO- a simple, objective rule. Though I didn't agree with the Painter decision, we're not always unanimous and a majority of the SC felt that the Selective Desaturation challenge "called for" that technique. |
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04/20/2009 12:12:23 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Why wasn't the painting the sky shot DQ'd then? Different rule set? |
What Bear_Music wrote just after you is correct IMO- a simple, objective rule. Though I didn't agree with the Painter decision, we're not always unanimous and a majority of the SC felt that the Selective Desaturation challenge "called for" that technique. |
I don't see how the two photos are different in anyway in consideration of the rule set. The challenge description should have no bearing on how the rules are handled. Unless there are extra rules. This IMNSHO is just another obvious use of interpreting what we want from the rules.
Matt
Edit to add that once the rules are used to set a precident that should stay the precident without a change to the rules.
Message edited by author 2009-04-20 00:14:45. |
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04/20/2009 12:15:31 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by MattO:
The challenge description should have no bearing on how the rules are handled. |
I agree.
Originally posted by MattO:
This IMNSHO is just another obvious use of interpreting what we want from the rules. |
You're entitled to your NSHO. |
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04/20/2009 12:16:42 AM · #67 |
| The thing that's unfortunate is that many people get their ideas from past challenges, and even though I understand that rules evolve as time goes on--we have no idea that something that was acceptable in a previous challenge is no longer deemed acceptable because of new interpretations. |
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04/20/2009 12:21:22 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
The thing that's unfortunate is that many people get their ideas from past challenges, and even though I understand that rules evolve as time goes on--we have no idea that something that was acceptable in a previous challenge is no longer deemed acceptable because of new interpretations. |
Ya. Seconded. If I saw that Selective Desat shot I would be VERY misled as to what flies. No new shapes? My foot. There are very obvious shapes there that were not in the original. Period. |
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04/20/2009 12:24:58 AM · #69 |
HOLY CRAP!
Are you kidding?
This is legal.
And this is not?
If I were delin I'm afraid I'd be pretty ticked off as well. Sorry, don't mean to "stir it up", but this is a pretty hard call to defend... |
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04/20/2009 12:26:54 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
HOLY CRAP!
Are you kidding?
This is legal.
And this is not?
If I were delin I'm afraid I'd be pretty ticked off as well. Sorry, don't mean to "stir it up", but this is a pretty hard call to defend... |
No its not.........just ask them they will tell you.......ROFL
Matt |
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04/20/2009 12:27:47 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
If I saw that Selective Desat shot I would be VERY misled as to what flies. No new shapes? My foot. There are very obvious shapes there that were not in the original. Period. |
We've already been down this road.
Message edited by author 2009-04-20 00:27:58. |
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04/20/2009 12:29:59 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
If I saw that Selective Desat shot I would be VERY misled as to what flies. No new shapes? My foot. There are very obvious shapes there that were not in the original. Period. |
We've already been down this road. |
Be that as it may, I'm pretty unclear as to why whatever rules apply to one shot don't apply to the other. Heck, they are practically identical ideas. |
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04/20/2009 12:33:34 AM · #73 |
| I assume it's because of someone pushing the limits too far so things have to be reined in. Do I think the picture should have been acceptable? yes. Do I think fake sky-writing is acceptable? No. But once the limit is pushed to far you have to create rules to deal with it. And I'd rather have the whole thing be off limits than having arbitrary decisions. |
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04/20/2009 12:35:10 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
If I saw that Selective Desat shot I would be VERY misled as to what flies. No new shapes? My foot. There are very obvious shapes there that were not in the original. Period. |
We've already been down this road. |
Be that as it may, I'm pretty unclear as to why whatever rules apply to one shot don't apply to the other. Heck, they are practically identical ideas. |
After reading that thread he pointed to........I think the reason is "Because I said so" pretty shitty really, and yeah I'd be pissed if I was the OP as well.
Matt |
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04/20/2009 12:35:27 AM · #75 |
I'm still a little confused. What makes this acceptable and delin's not? (Not trying to get this one in trouble, just honest confusion.) |
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