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01/14/2004 08:47:00 AM · #1 |
not hold other people's photos against other entries?
For heaven's sake, take a moment, draw a breath and forget about the photos you've seen in the past that might be similar...Assess individual photos on their INDIVIDUAL merits. Because unless the photo is EXACTLY the same (ie, stolen) they are different photos, likely with different focal points and different purposes.
End of rant...sorry.
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01/14/2004 09:44:59 AM · #2 |
don't apologize. I hear ya. :)
another phenomenon.
I guess people can't help comparing present day with their experience though.
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01/14/2004 09:53:52 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by shareinnc:
...Assess individual photos on their INDIVIDUAL merits.
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Sorry, but no,people will and should vote as they see fit.
When someone shoots something popluar from a poular angle it looses it's effect the more you see it. Take the glass with drops over a print image - the first one or two are great, amazing and original. The 100th is maybe as equally great, but it looses it's wow factor. And the wow factor is important to some photo viewers..
Message edited by author 2004-01-14 09:54:04. |
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01/16/2004 12:01:13 PM · #4 |
I agree with judging individually. Other than that it's all up to fate as to in what order your photo appears if people judge the way jonpink is describing. That sort of seems unfair, I mean if you're the first water/leaf pic than it's fresh and you get a good score, but if you're the sucker at the bottom of the pile you're left out? What do you think?
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01/16/2004 12:06:58 PM · #5 |
That's one of the reasons that the order is different for every voter. It's completly random.
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01/16/2004 12:11:20 PM · #6 |
| I had no idea about that Konador, that's fantastic |
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01/16/2004 12:11:41 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
I agree with judging individually. Other than that it's all up to fate as to in what order your photo appears if people judge the way jonpink is describing. That sort of seems unfair, I mean if you're the first water/leaf pic than it's fresh and you get a good score, but if you're the sucker at the bottom of the pile you're left out? What do you think? |
What? How I vote is on how much I like the image [1] if I hate it and think it's awful and [10] if I love it soo much I want to run away and marry it.
I don't think that is a bad way to vote. do you?
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01/16/2004 12:26:31 PM · #8 |
| Now I'm confused [lol not too hard to do that these days] ... are people voting photos individually or on how many similar images they've seen? |
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01/16/2004 12:34:50 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by shareinnc:
...Assess individual photos on their INDIVIDUAL merits... |
Critos - Gr. to pick out for oneself, to choose
How can I exercise citicism without comparing? What, exactly are 'individual merits', if no reference exists to compare to?
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01/16/2004 12:57:06 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Now I'm confused [lol not too hard to do that these days] ... are people voting photos individually or on how many similar images they've seen? |
If there is a lot of a similar image, people could be voting it down for originality. I've read a lot of "how do YOU vote" threads, and people DO include originality in the way they vote. People like images to be creative. |
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01/16/2004 01:15:08 PM · #11 |
Originality absolutely should be part of the criterion for judging. If your pic is one of 15 depicting a dog chewing a bone, for instance, the impact of that image will be obviously minimized. How can you ignore context in judging?
Message edited by author 2004-01-16 13:16:05. |
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01/16/2004 05:06:48 PM · #12 |
| unless we're all mind readers, how can we know what someone else is going to submit. just because it's a popular idea doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad one or that it's not creative. |
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04/12/2004 01:35:40 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
unless we're all mind readers, how can we know what someone else is going to submit. just because it's a popular idea doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad one or that it's not creative. |
I think you've hit the nail on the head, inadvertently. I think that it specifically DOES mean it's not creative if 'everyone' is doing it. It becomes, by definition, commonplace and ordinary if 'everyone' does it.
I like to think of the creative process as being aware of how people make associations. Making something a surprise in a way that violates their assumptions about their association is, for me, the very heart of creativity. It's about taking steps to move away from the instant association.
Doing something different with the same old subject -- be it a perspective, a focal depth, a lighting treatment, or whatever you come up with to make it unique -- is an important aspect contributing towards the perception of creativity.
And, just to get all discouraged when I think about it, creativity does not ensure a pleasing photo. :) |
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04/12/2004 01:44:42 PM · #14 |
| I wouldn't be too concerned with it Sharri. For each person that thinks they looked at a likeness of the photo one too many times, there's twenty other people that have never saw it before. There's a continual flow of new voters to dpc with each and every challenge. |
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04/12/2004 01:44:44 PM · #15 |
| The beauty of this site is that we ALL get to vote. No two of us use the same exact standard ... and whatever happens, happens. It's not like we know who's photo is who's ... so someone using a "bad" voting criteria is going to vote the same way on all the submissions. |
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04/12/2004 02:13:09 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
unless we're all mind readers, how can we know what someone else is going to submit. just because it's a popular idea doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad one or that it's not creative. |
I agree we can't read the minds of others, however, I think if i pick the first ideea that comes to my mind, i am likely going to be in a boat with 10 other people.... To get a picture that is 'original' takes time and thought and creativity.
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04/12/2004 02:14:10 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by alanbataar:
Originally posted by sher9204:
unless we're all mind readers, how can we know what someone else is going to submit. just because it's a popular idea doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad one or that it's not creative. |
I think you've hit the nail on the head, inadvertently. I think that it specifically DOES mean it's not creative if 'everyone' is doing it. It becomes, by definition, commonplace and ordinary if 'everyone' does it.
I like to think of the creative process as being aware of how people make associations. Making something a surprise in a way that violates their assumptions about their association is, for me, the very heart of creativity. It's about taking steps to move away from the instant association.
Doing something different with the same old subject -- be it a perspective, a focal depth, a lighting treatment, or whatever you come up with to make it unique -- is an important aspect contributing towards the perception of creativity.
And, just to get all discouraged when I think about it, creativity does not ensure a pleasing photo. :) |
quite agreed
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04/12/2004 02:14:40 PM · #18 |
I'm sorry (I notice I apoligize in advance for a lot of things I say) but if it's not a "cats" or "my pet" challenge and I'm looking at the 15th picture of a cat, I am going to be a little more critical of it. However, if it is an amazing cat photo I will give it an amazing score.
Don't forget, being creative and original should be deserving of extra points. |
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04/12/2004 03:00:07 PM · #19 |
I just eliminate all reason from my voting by using the "monkey" method.
I show each entry to my monkey.
He pushes one button (they are numbered 1-10) and a light comes on, and that's how I decide how to score each entry.
All was fine until the "Out of Place" challenge and he saw this entry:
He went beserk and has not been quite the same ever since, it was quite traumatic for him.
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04/12/2004 03:19:42 PM · #20 |
| Spazmo, don't let the monkey look at the brown ribbon winner in Chaos. He'll be on the Disabled List for that much longer. |
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04/12/2004 06:58:44 PM · #21 |
WAIT....seen it....Mapplethorpe. That is why only the monkey liked it. And alot of people did not seem to think it was out of place by the the Bell Curve. LOL Still makes me laugh. More now so, since I know it is a whole banana! ROFL
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