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03/29/2009 06:50:08 PM · #1
the topic says it all i want opinions on both lenses since they are basically the same price...

what are the advantages and disadvantages of each in your opinion?

i want a wider lens (17 is wide enough but ten is cool too) and these are the two that its come down to...

opinions/suggestions about any other lenses are welcome as well. and i use a 450D right now, dont plan to upgrade soon and if i do upgrade it will most likely be to a 40/50D so the ef-s thing is a moot point to me. thanks so much!!!!!
03/29/2009 07:10:12 PM · #2
well, i'd take the L because it's frankly awesome and built like a tank- dustproof, splash proof and whatever else proof. And I know you said you weren't thinking of upgrading your body but the L will last 20 years and still perform so I would take the L because of the full frame capability. Also, for me, buying the EF-S lenses is kinda like throwing money away- I don't see the sense in buying an EF-s lens for $500, then selling it buy an L for another $500 when I could have just got the L right away.
03/29/2009 07:22:22 PM · #3
well ... both are fabulous choices ... depends on what you're looking to do ... 17 isn't super wide on a crop sensor, so if you're wanting to shoot expansive landscapes I'd go with the 10-22. I picked the 10-22 and don't regret it at all ... I find it to be just about L glass quality, but made for a crop sensor ... someday I might consider buying the 17-40 but there are other lenses on my wish list before that one ...
03/29/2009 07:26:09 PM · #4
You have the 28-135mm already, so the 10-22mm is a better fit to your range. It is basicallyd esigned to be the crop-sensor equivalent of the 17-40mm on the full frame. I think it's a much more useful range...

R.
03/29/2009 08:02:21 PM · #5
Agree - 10-22 on a 1.6x body.
03/30/2009 09:20:34 AM · #6
so unfortunately i still dont know what exactly i should buy... if i were to get the 17-40 i would sell my 28-135 and buy a 70-200 f/4 (i wouldnt if i were to buy the 10-22) i know that the 17-40 isnt super wide on a crop body but how unwide is it picture-wise. also whats the info on the optical quality/ downfalls of both. thanks so much for the help so far its really been great! :)
03/30/2009 09:30:11 AM · #7
What type of shots are you looking to take and do you ever have plans on getting a full frame sensor?
03/30/2009 09:33:48 AM · #8
Originally posted by ShutterHack:

What type of shots are you looking to take and do you ever have plans on getting a full frame sensor?


He said he has no plans fr a full-frame upgrade in his original post...

R.
03/30/2009 09:38:58 AM · #9
lol, Thanks Bear so much for my attention to detail.
03/30/2009 09:45:41 AM · #10
Originally posted by michaelmonn:

so unfortunately i still dont know what exactly i should buy... if i were to get the 17-40 i would sell my 28-135 and buy a 70-200 f/4 (i wouldnt if i were to buy the 10-22) i know that the 17-40 isnt super wide on a crop body but how unwide is it picture-wise. also whats the info on the optical quality/ downfalls of both. thanks so much for the help so far its really been great! :)


17mm on the crop sensor is the equivalent of 27.2mm on full-frame 35mm sensors. That's a little bit of a wide angle, but not very wide. Personally, I would find it very limiting. Not satisfactory at all. Your mileage may vary...

Here's a comparison showing 35mm, 24mm, 17mm, and 10mm on the same interior shot. The difference between 17mm and 10mm, as you can see, is dramatic.

R.
03/30/2009 09:59:21 AM · #11
10-22. Hands down. Even if I eventually upgrade to a full frame sensor (which I don't plan on doing) I will have more than gotten my money's worth out of the 10-22, and probably would in fact always keep a cropped sensor body just to use that lens. Love it to death. (Do not use my results with that lens as any sort of indicator of its capabilities, however. But I do have fun with it!)
03/30/2009 11:21:52 AM · #12
10-22 no question. You will not regret it.
03/30/2009 11:24:42 AM · #13
Even IF you went FF, the resale value of the 10-22 wouldn't hurt you much if any.
03/30/2009 11:33:20 AM · #14
10-22, no question. If you ever DO go full frame, you can sell it for a 17-40... otherwise the latter model wouldn't be noticeably wider than the kit lens.
03/30/2009 11:52:41 AM · #15
Originally posted by scalvert:

10-22, no question. If you ever DO go full frame, you can sell it for a 17-40... otherwise the latter model wouldn't be noticeably wider than the kit lens.


Except he doesn't HAVE the kit lens :-) If he did, this would be a no-brainer.

R.
03/30/2009 11:58:16 AM · #16
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

he doesn't HAVE the kit lens :-) If he did, this would be a no-brainer.

I know, but even the stabilized version runs about $160 new. The 17-40 wouldn't be appreciably wider (27mm vs. 29mm), and although the image quality is better, it lacks IS and offers less zoom range. If you're going to spend money on a wider angle zoom, then get a wide angle zoom!
03/30/2009 12:02:05 PM · #17
I am glad this is being said about the 10-22
10-22

Message edited by author 2009-03-30 12:02:39.
03/30/2009 12:19:05 PM · #18
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

he doesn't HAVE the kit lens :-) If he did, this would be a no-brainer.

I know, but even the stabilized version runs about $160 new. The 17-40 wouldn't be appreciably wider (27mm vs. 29mm), and although the image quality is better, it lacks IS and offers less zoom range. If you're going to spend money on a wider angle zoom, then get a wide angle zoom!


Gotcha! Good point.

R.
03/30/2009 12:23:06 PM · #19
10-22 - you will love it!

This lens has been stuck on my Canon ever since I brought from a fellow DPC'er here

I just love my 10-22
03/30/2009 12:37:14 PM · #20
thanks sooooo much for all your answers!!! i originally was leaning toward the 17-40 BUT alot of good words and good photos have opened my eyes to the 10-22 thanks alot again (which i think im going to end up buying)!:):)

ps: if anyone is looking to sell their 10-22 or their 17-40 for that matter please let me know:)
03/30/2009 12:41:40 PM · #21
Depends on your style of photography and what/how you shoot. They are VERY different lens. I'm not a super wide fan so i consider the 10-22 a specialty use lens and don't use it much while the 17-40 rarely leaves my camera. but that's just me. A friend just got the 10-22 and can't imagine life without it now.

If you could rent or try one it would tell you a lot.
03/30/2009 02:27:53 PM · #22
i'm not sure you're going to find many downfalls with either choice - except for the FF body aspect - which doesn't seem to be an issue...

but the 70-200 f:4 and 17-40 f:4 - IMO are a good match. i'm still considering the 10-22 as well. but feel i wouldn't use it as much as i anticipate. at least not with the style of photos i take at the moment.

if i planned on starting to do a lot of landscape photos the 10-22 would be purchased already - while keeping the other two.


03/30/2009 03:12:32 PM · #23
You can also use the 10-22 on the full frame later if thats ever the way you want to go
Here

oringinally posted by Les Here
I haven't had the guts yet but am seriously thinking about it
03/30/2009 03:27:24 PM · #24
When the EF-S 10-22 first came out many of the reviewers said that it proved that none of the EF-S series will ever carry the L designation

"Although the EF-S 10-22/3.5-4.5 doesn't carry the "L" designation, the use of multiple aspheric elements and UD glass is characteristic of EF "L" series lenses and has lead more than one photographer to wonder whether this lens would have had an "L" designation if it had not been in the EF-S series. By comparison the full frame equivalent EF16-35mm f/2.8L USM uses 3 aspherics and 2 regular UD elements and the EF 17-40/4L uses 3 aspherics and 1 super UD element, just like the EF-S 10-22/3.5-4.5. No EF-S lenses have the "L" designation to date."

I was in the same quandary a few years back, unsure which lens to pick for my wide angle lens, in the end the extra width of the 10-22 convinced me, and I am happy with that decision. If had a full frame senor on a weather sealed camera I would certainly go with the 17-40, but since the optics are very close, why would you choose the less wide option?

03/30/2009 03:50:15 PM · #25
because it might be too wide ?

based on what it's gonna be used for of course.


Message edited by author 2009-03-30 15:50:48.
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