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08/26/2008 10:09:12 AM · #26 |
ebay is really full of crap they are forcing you to use their crappy paypal. Then when you get scammed they are no help and if you do get help it takes months or longer to get your money.
I am officially done with ebay them together with paypal are horrible to many scams and things they do themselves to good loyal customers, such as holding your money not helping you when you need it or allowing all these damn scam artist to bid or try to scam you.
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08/26/2008 10:13:40 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by digitalpins:
ebay is really full of crap they are forcing you to use their crappy paypal. Then when you get scammed they are no help and if you do get help it takes months or longer to get your money.
I am officially done with ebay them together with paypal are horrible to many scams and things they do themselves to good loyal customers, such as holding your money not helping you when you need it or allowing all these damn scam artist to bid or try to scam you. |
A bit of a problem there... if Paypal is holding the payment, then I have not yet been paid. If I have not yet been paid, I cannot ship the item(s). If I cannot ship the items, then the person cannot receive them. If the person cannot receive them, they cannot acknowedge receipt. If they cannot acknowledge receipt, paypal cannot release the hold. |
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08/26/2008 10:55:11 AM · #28 |
I must be in the minority here....I have had NO problem with ebay or paypal....and have 200+ feedbacks...
I have a premier account, I build my ebay/paypal fees into my auction price so it is not costing me anything. Have NEVER had a payment held.
I agree that the 'no negative feedback from sellers' sucks!!
Just remember, if you feel its better to receive a check in the mail snailmail.....your BANK will hold it 14 days to clear. sorry, but paper checks are still the most risky in my book!
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08/26/2008 10:57:58 AM · #29 |
I never ship until money is cleared and I can use it.
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08/26/2008 02:31:34 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by SDW:
Here is a copy paste from PayPal about why holds happen. The two instances in bold is what held my funds.
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Wow. That must have just taken affect. I sold a 1500 buck radio to a fellow out in AZ. He paid instantly with PayPal. I requested a withdrawal about 5 minutes later, and received it 3 days later, before the buyer received his shipment. Buyer got his package about 2 days later. That was early July. I've never heard from him since. No feedback, no nothing. It's gonna be hard to get those seller ratings if buyers won't submit feedback. I think that buyers should be banned from buying if they don't submit feedback for every transaction. |
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08/26/2008 03:09:31 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by dassilem:
I must be in the minority here....I have had NO problem with ebay or paypal....and have 200+ feedbacks...
I have a premier account, I build my ebay/paypal fees into my auction price so it is not costing me anything. Have NEVER had a payment held.
I agree that the 'no negative feedback from sellers' sucks!!
Just remember, if you feel its better to receive a check in the mail snailmail.....your BANK will hold it 14 days to clear. sorry, but paper checks are still the most risky in my book! |
After reading the two articles from an eBay Executive it appears to me that eBay is wanting to make it hard for the seller that only sales on occasions and cater to the PowerSellers. Nothing wrong with PowerSellers but you get your best deal (when buying) from the occasional seller. I think these fall policy updates are going to hurt eBay. |
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08/27/2008 03:22:37 PM · #32 |
UPDATE:
1. My lens sold late Saturday night.
2. Buyer Paid me Sunday Morning.
3. PayPal Holds funds until a)Buyer leaves positive feedback, b)Confirmed Delivery, c)21 Days without a dispute.
4. I shipped at 10:57 a.m. Monday morning (even though I did not have access to my funds).
5. Checked status of delivery and it was received at 8:45 a.m Wednesday (Today).
6. Called PayPal to let them know and have them to release funds.
7. Now they tell me I have to wait 3-day at which time they will release funds.
8. I ask her if my funds would be released Friday (W,Th,F = 3 days).
9. Reply, NO! Saturday but since it's the weekend it will be released Monday.
10. Sorry, Monday is a holiday it will be released Tuesday.
Ten days to receive payment unless they find another reason to hold up the funds.
So goes instant payment with PayPal. Once this transaction is over and I withdraw all my funds and delete all my personal and financial info I will cancel my PapPay account and my Premier Card will have a date with my shredder. <--- Photo will follow!
Message edited by author 2008-08-27 15:35:12. |
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08/27/2008 03:30:44 PM · #33 |
So if the buyer leaves positive feedback today they'll release your $ immediately?
They'll probably find some other excuse... |
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08/27/2008 03:32:49 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
So if the buyer leaves positive feedback today they'll release your $ immediately?
They'll probably find some other excuse... |
Funny you ask, NO!
If the Buyer leaves feedback today the funds will be released after 24 hours of the feedback. So it would be at least 24 or more hours.
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08/27/2008 03:34:50 PM · #35 |
| Let me get this straight. These measures are supposedly in place to protect both buyers and sellers, yet even when both parties are satisfied they still hold your money? Yeah, makes perfect sense to me..... |
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08/27/2008 03:40:59 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Let me get this straight. These measures are supposedly in place to protect both buyers and sellers, yet even when both parties are satisfied they still hold your money? Yeah, makes perfect sense to me..... |
That's about it. Now you see why I'm upset. I do not see where it protects the seller at all. If anything it hurts the seller. I would have liked to get my 1.5% cash back when I shipped but since funds was held I had to use my own money and didn't get the 1.5% back.
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08/27/2008 03:44:47 PM · #37 |
| I've never had a Paypal account, after reading how they could basically clean it out on the flimsiest of pretexts. Sounds like even more reason not to. |
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08/27/2008 03:48:05 PM · #38 |
Scott, are you trying to transfer the money from paypal to your bank account? or just use it to withdraw with your card?
I only ask as it does take the 3 days to transfer to your bank (which even that is too long)....I usually just use my card to withdraw as I need it...but on the occasion I want to clear it I do have to wait the 3 days for the bank to get it (which I am doing right now...as I just sold the rest of my tickets and need to move the money)
Sorry you are having such a hard time. |
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08/27/2008 04:02:24 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by dassilem:
Scott, are you trying to transfer the money from paypal to your bank account? or just use it to withdraw with your card?
I only ask as it does take the 3 days to transfer to your bank (which even that is too long)....I usually just use my card to withdraw as I need it...but on the occasion I want to clear it I do have to wait the 3 days for the bank to get it (which I am doing right now...as I just sold the rest of my tickets and need to move the money)
Sorry you are having such a hard time. |
I have a Premier Business Account with the debit Card (8 years). I always use my debit card and very rarely draw the money out. I usually just use it for purchases. So they get the benefit of having my money 98% of the time anyway. I sold my camera lens for two reason, a)I didn't need two lens with the same range and b)to help pay for my Dads medical expense. So yes I was going to draw it out with my debit card ($2.00 ATM fee + $1.50 PayPal fee) because my Dad (and mother) needs the money.
So a $250.00 sale breaks down like this (if they ever release the money).
Item Sold For: $250.00
Ebay Fees: $ 15.07
PayPal Fees: $ 8.99
ATM Fee: $ 2.00
PayPal Withdrawal $ 1.50
Net: $222.44
I could have accepted Cashier Check and saved $12.49 and received the money just as fast. For now at least; eBay will be be going to all electronic payment this fall. No more checks, M/O, or Cashiers Checks. And a Cashiers Check [Bank Check] is more secure than PayPal since I don't have to mail the item till I get the Check and my bank will verify it's legitimacy while I'm there.
Message edited by author 2008-08-27 16:03:50. |
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03/14/2009 10:20:18 AM · #40 |
This policy is complete garbage!
How is the seller supposed to ship the item that included the cost of shipping?
Does everyone have hundreds of dollars laying around in these tough times for shipping?
I have a hold right now and there is no way for me to come up with seperate money to ship the item.
So now I am screwed.
Been a member of both e-bay and paypal for years with perfect feedback, though not 100 of them since I am not a freakin business!!!!
I will not EVER use paypal again when dealing with e-bay and will bad mouth them as much and as often as possible.
Message edited by author 2009-03-14 10:21:08. |
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03/14/2009 02:08:40 PM · #41 |
Paypal shafted me too, I will never use them again.
Luckily I had an honest buyer who paid me a second time, well after they had been to my house and picked up the item. (I wanted payment through paypal to stop haggling)
When the original payment was stopped I spoke to Paypal and they said to make a claim and provide proof of postage, I said that the person picked the item up, I have no proof, they said tough luck then you're not getting any money!
Never again. |
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03/14/2009 02:12:40 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by E-A-G-L-E-S:
This policy is complete garbage!
How is the seller supposed to ship the item that included the cost of shipping?
Does everyone have hundreds of dollars laying around in these tough times for shipping?
I have a hold right now and there is no way for me to come up with seperate money to ship the item.
So now I am screwed.
Been a member of both e-bay and paypal for years with perfect feedback, though not 100 of them since I am not a freakin business!!!!
I will not EVER use paypal again when dealing with e-bay and will bad mouth them as much and as often as possible. |
Find it interesting that this person sighned up jsut to make this comment. |
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03/14/2009 03:38:11 PM · #43 |
And I thought it was just me. :D
I just bought a Fender guitar through eBay and ran into the same problem. I paid for the guitar with my PayPal account and, as expected, the payment succeeded with no problems. I immediately sent an email to the seller telling him that I paid the full amount into his PayPal account and to please ship the guitar ASAP. He wrote back and said that PayPal had put a 21 day hold on the funds. He was upset and wanted to cancel our transaction and offer the guitar to the next highest bidder. I think he assumed that I had done something to cause the hold on the money. I assured him that I had done nothing to cause the hold and that I would contact PayPal and find out what was going on. After several very annoying phone calls, in which I got no coherent response to my questions, I finally asked to speak with a supervisor. When I finally got the supervisor on the phone she tried to give me the same nonsense about it being for my own protection. I told her, "Thanks, but I don't want your protection. I want you to pay the man now." She told me there was nothing that she could do. She said the only way they would release the funds was if I would give the seller a positive feedback for the transaction. So, I went back to eBay to give the seller positive feedback... only to be notified that I couldn't give anyone feedback because I haven't been an eBay member for more than five days. Arrrrggghhh! So, I get back on the phone with the supervisor and tell he that I can't give feedback. Then, after saying "I'm not supposed to tell you this" she makes a bunch of disjointed statements about the seller and the item he's selling that lead me to believe he is some kind of criminal trying to cheat me with an item that he's "sold" to several other victims. So I emailed the seller and told him that I couldn't get the funds released and to go ahead and sell the guitar to the next highest bidder. A while later he wrote back and said that he had spoken with PayPal and that he was willing to ship the guitar immediately and trust that he would get paid. Naturally he didn't like it, but what else could he do? I assured him that he would get paid, one way or another. He shipped the guitar and I should have it on Tuesday. In the meantime his money is on hold earning PayPal interest.
I avoided using PayPal and eBay for a long time. I eventually opened a PayPal account so I could accept payments from some of my clients. I didn't open an eBay account until just a few days ago. Now I'm beginning to think I was smart to avoid them.
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03/14/2009 07:31:09 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
"Starting this fall, we're moving to an electronic checkout process that's faster and more reliable for sellers and buyers. As part of this move, checks and money orders will no longer be accepted on eBay, although buyers can still use these payment methods for item pick-up, at the seller's discretion."
//www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200808.shtml#2008-08-20070116 |
Hellllo Craigslist!
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03/16/2009 03:10:09 PM · #45 |
EBay's PayPal funds freeze plan draws fire
What PayPal does with your money
So, PayPal is only making a few million dollars (10 million or less) in interest on the "21-day hold" money... Riiiiight... Okay, if it's such a paltry sum, why isn't PayPal giving it to the people whose money earned the interest in the first place? Why take so much heat for such a paltry sum? Could it be that it's not so paltry after all?
I ran into another nifty little PayPal scam idiosyncrasy recently...
In order to verify a credit card I had to agree to let PayPal charge $1.95 to my card. When the charge showed up on the card, I had to tell PayPal the special code number they associated with the transaction. Afterward, PayPal was supposed to refund the money back to my card. Eventually (several days later) they finally did refund the $1.95. However, they did not refund it to my credit card, instead they put it in my PayPal account balance. They even had the nerve to label it as a "bonus".
What difference does it make?
1. I have to pay interest on the amount charged to my credit card.
2. PayPal earns interest on the money in my PayPal account.
I called and spoke with a PayPal customer service representative about this. I also spoke with her supervisor too. They both told me, "I'm sorry, but there's nothing I can do. It's not possible to refund the money back to your credit card." Now, they know, I know, everyone and their frikkin brother knows that that is total unadulterated bullshit. In fact, just a few days ago PayPal refunded over $900 to another one of my cards because of a canceled transaction.
PayPal's shady (fraudulent) business practices and lousy customer service puts them at the top of my "companies that should go out of business" list.
Are you selling something on eBay? Not to me you won't. Not unless you accept other forms of payment besides PayPal.
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03/16/2009 03:17:16 PM · #46 |
| I tried e-bay years ago but always had problems, particularly with paypal. When they refused to give me the money in my account (it took 3 months to get it back) I stopped using them altogether. I sell stuff on Amazon.com which also accepts credit cards from buyers. Much less hassle... |
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03/16/2009 03:20:46 PM · #47 |
Paypal took money out of my account 2 years after a transaction because the person that purchased was going bankrupt and the buyer was disputing all charges. There was nothing I could do.
I no longer use Paypal or ebay as well. Companies like Ebay always wonder why they are not Amazon, and they blame all sorts of things on it, but the fact of the matter is that they have poor business practices. That is why they will eventually be killed off. |
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03/16/2009 03:32:59 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by dahkota:
I tried e-bay years ago but always had problems, particularly with paypal. When they refused to give me the money in my account (it took 3 months to get it back) I stopped using them altogether. I sell stuff on Amazon.com which also accepts credit cards from buyers. Much less hassle... |
Yes, there are viable alternatives to PayPal and eBay.
If more people would start cutting into eBay/PayPal's multibillion dollar pie by taking their business elsewhere, then the management schmucks would eventually take notice and polices would be changed to make the company more honest and customer friendly. Either that or they go out of business. Either way, the public would be better off.
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03/16/2009 03:45:37 PM · #49 |
| They will not recover from a negative image. |
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03/16/2009 03:48:52 PM · #50 |
| I haven't had any problems with either really. |
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