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03/11/2009 07:48:49 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
sounds like getting a dog would be easier! |
Keeping fish is easier most of the time. Not as much fun with them laying in bed with you on a Sunday morning..... |
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03/11/2009 08:11:10 PM · #27 |
I have a 125 gallon salt water tank. These fish have to have the best water you can get. So I spent $150 on a reversed osmosis water filter. It is a must have.
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03/11/2009 08:13:43 PM · #28 |
the pH and alkalinity out of the tap is about neutral
pH - 7.2-7.4
alkalinity around 140
i think what Bear_Music was refering to is a medicine for ICK ( the meds are a blue color and it is kinda a thick liquid ). ICK is a white blotchy formation on the scales of the fish - i'm not certain it is a sulfur based remedy- but i am certain that the lable recommends treating the tank, and then changing a good portion of the water once the fish are clean...
thanks FireBird - i'll check it out...
Message edited by author 2009-03-11 20:14:32.
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03/11/2009 08:18:04 PM · #29 |
i'm looking into that option. but i don't have a single tank. i have 5 of them.
3 ten gallon, 1 forty gallon, and one bowl two gallons...
so instead of $150.... yeah...
Originally posted by Travis99:
I have a 125 gallon salt water tank. These fish have to have the best water you can get. So I spent $150 on a reversed osmosis water filter. It is a must have. |
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03/11/2009 08:18:20 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by soup:
i think what Bear_Music was refering to is a medicine for ICK ( the meds are a blue color and it is kinda a thick liquid ). ICK is a white blotchy formation on the scales of the fish - i'm not certain it is a sulfur based remedy- but i am certain that the lable recommends treating the tank, and then changing a good portion of the water once the fish are clean... |
That's it, ICK. And now I think of it, I believe the medicine is a copper sulfate...
R.
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03/11/2009 08:23:10 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by soup:
i think what Bear_Music was refering to is a medicine for ICK ( the meds are a blue color and it is kinda a thick liquid ). ICK is a white blotchy formation on the scales of the fish - i'm not certain it is a sulfur based remedy- but i am certain that the lable recommends treating the tank, and then changing a good portion of the water once the fish are clean... |
That's it, ICK. And now I think of it, I believe the medicine is a copper sulfate...
R. |
malachite green |
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03/11/2009 10:18:56 PM · #32 |
From: //www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/water_treatment.php
Well Water
If your water supply comes from a well and you keep Africans, you may consider yourself fortunate. Not only is water from deep, drilled wells considered by many to be superior in quality, it is likely to have a higher mineral content and consequently test higher for hardness (although many households use a “water softener” to remove dissolved minerals), it may have a higher pH, and there should not be any chlorine or ammonia present.
Wells tap into the groundwater supply, which is naturally filtered through layers of sand and rock and is not polluted as easily as lakes and rivers (particularly in very deep wells). There are however, a few considerations you should be aware of.
Well water may contain nitrate, especially in agricultural areas, due to the use of nitrogen fertilizer. Since nitrate is a natural byproduct of the nitrogen cycle in your aquarium and is typically removed with water changes – you may need to seek other methods to reduce nitrate in your aquarium. The deeper the well, the less likely this is to be a problem.
Well water often contains high concentrations of dissolved gases such as CO2, which lowers pH. If the water is aerated for a few hours before adding it to your aquarium, harmful gases will escape and your fish need not be subjected to temporary pH fluctuation or other stress.
Lastly, there is the concern of shallow wells being polluted or contaminated, often by nearby septic systems. If you question the quality of your well water, it may be worth the minor expense to have a sample professionally analyzed.
Additionally, the only way to determine all the properties of your well water (aside from having a sample analyzed by an outside source) is to run tests on it yourself using a proper aquarium or pond water test kit.
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03/11/2009 10:40:32 PM · #33 |
i guess they call it ICK for a reason..
i'm not worried about my well - but it's close to 500 foot deep.
within 2000+ feet in every direction there are three septic systems... one of them being ours...
Message edited by author 2009-03-11 22:41:37.
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03/11/2009 10:56:42 PM · #34 |
that's the ICK meds :)
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
malachite green |
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03/12/2009 01:08:00 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by //www.aquariumfish.com/aquariumfish/detail.aspx?aid=49&cid=3799&search=:
I have also seen hydrogen sulfide cause sudden fish mortality. This compound, which is a byproduct of anaerobic metabolism, is extremely deadly. It can be liberated into the water when anoxic (low oxygen) areas of the gravel bed are disturbed or when a canister filter is turned off for a long period of time and then is turned back on. If the bottom materials, like crushed coral or live sand, are provided with a constant flow of oxygenated water or disturbed frequently enough, by the aquarist or by fish, then hydrogen sulfide should not be a problem. If you turn off a canister filter for a long period of time (four hours or more) it is important to take it apart and clean it before turning it back on. Airborne contaminants, such as tobacco smoke, insecticides, paint fumes, glass cleaner, furniture polish and so on, can kill fish as well. |
oddly enough - we had one of these - and we threw it out... it didn't work properly and just plain sucked !
//www.pwgazette.com/aermax.htm
Message edited by author 2009-03-12 13:27:44.
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03/12/2009 01:35:27 PM · #36 |
i found this - as an emergency solution to purifying drinking water. say you have no power to boil water... but it does have a recommendation for the amount of bleach per five gallons of water...
i'm going to try the 1/2 teaspoon in five gallons, and then test the chlorine level. if it is high enough for my liking - but not through the roof - i'll let the water sit for an hour, and then dechlorinate it. my poor betta will be the test subject. i'm guessing he'll survive :)
//www.i4at.org/surv/bleach.htm
Message edited by author 2009-03-12 13:35:59.
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03/12/2009 01:43:46 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by soup:
Originally posted by //www.aquariumfish.com/aquariumfish/detail.aspx?aid=49&cid=3799&search=:
I have also seen hydrogen sulfide cause sudden fish mortality. This compound, which is a byproduct of anaerobic metabolism, is extremely deadly. It can be liberated into the water when anoxic (low oxygen) areas of the gravel bed are disturbed or when a canister filter is turned off for a long period of time and then is turned back on. If the bottom materials, like crushed coral or live sand, are provided with a constant flow of oxygenated water or disturbed frequently enough, by the aquarist or by fish, then hydrogen sulfide should not be a problem. If you turn off a canister filter for a long period of time (four hours or more) it is important to take it apart and clean it before turning it back on. Airborne contaminants, such as tobacco smoke, insecticides, paint fumes, glass cleaner, furniture polish and so on, can kill fish as well. |
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Sometimes you have to take some of this advice with a grain of salt. Tobacco smoke can kill fish? Ya, right. What is this even based on? A friend of a friend's cousin's boyfriend. I'm not saying there isn't good information mixed in, but sometimes some of these fish sites talk like the fish are just looking for an excuse to die and your job in convincing them not to is very, very hard. |
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03/12/2009 04:23:48 PM · #38 |
kinda like around here - eh :)
i know. that's why added the bold to the quote. i have no doubt H2S is bad for the fish. and the bacteria that create H2S are bad for the tank as a whole.
i've gone ahead and treated the well water with chlorine. i found about a tablespoon and a half per five gallons got me about a 1.5ppm chlorine reading. i let that sit for an hour or so, and then used the typical exchange water treatment stuff ( removes chlorine, chloramine, and heavy metals ( iron, copper, mangenese )). i'll let that come up to room temp ( i used COLD water to try to avoid any boost in contanimation from the the hot water tank ) - and test it out with a top off on a couple tanks.
one tank is the betta - the other will be my plant only tank...
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03/12/2009 04:27:33 PM · #39 |
i do find it odd - especially after talking to a number of local pet shops - looking at 100 websites, and just trying to google and answer - that i seem to have a question no-one can answer definitivly....
Travis99 pointed out a reverse osmosis system - but i have found mixed info on the removal of sulfur.
one pet shop told me to buy bottled water
Tetra ( fish product manufacturer ) told me to look into some sort of whole house treatment system.
my synopsis - chlorine kills just about anything when at the right level, it also acts as a sequestring agent ( pulling dissolved metals out of solution ). that in combination with the typical fish tank treatment should suffice to make my well water fish tank safe.... i'll let you know.
Message edited by author 2009-03-12 16:31:46.
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03/12/2009 04:29:35 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Sometimes you have to take some of this advice with a grain of salt. Tobacco smoke can kill fish? Ya, right. What is this even based on? A friend of a friend's cousin's boyfriend. I'm not saying there isn't good information mixed in, but sometimes some of these fish sites talk like the fish are just looking for an excuse to die and your job in convincing them not to is very, very hard. |
Actually, it CAN, and quite easily, if the intake for the aerator system happens to be close by where a smoker habitually sits. It doesn't take a lot of airborne contamination to upset the balance in a tank. Many (not all) fishes can only survive in a narrowly-defined system. Any changes int heir environment are problematical. And I'm sure you know this. But how do *I* know it?
Because I was a lifelong smoker, and exactly that happened to me with one of my tanks. It's what got me conditioned to only smoking outside, which I stuck with until the day I quit.
R.
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03/12/2009 04:32:43 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
[quote=DrAchoo]
Because I was a lifelong smoker, and exactly that happened to me with one of my tanks. It's what got me conditioned to only smoking outside, which I stuck with until the day I quit.
R. |
I am gonna guess that you finally quit when you moved to the east coast from California... translation, it got too cold to smoke outside. hehehehe.
Ray |
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03/12/2009 04:37:12 PM · #42 |
do a google search for this. " sulfur fish tank "
this thread comes up #1.
most of the rest of the results are about ridding an exisiting tank of the H2S source. which is likely in the gravel due to insufficient cleaning, and decaying organics... ie: the tank smells bad...
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03/12/2009 04:38:07 PM · #43 |
funny thought- but you are terribly wrong !!
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I am gonna guess that you finally quit when you moved to the east coast from California... translation, it got too cold to smoke outside. hehehehe.
Ray |
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03/12/2009 05:01:12 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by soup:
funny thought- but you are terribly wrong !!
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I am gonna guess that you finally quit when you moved to the east coast from California... translation, it got too cold to smoke outside. hehehehe.
Ray |
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Yup. terribly wrong. It was the heart attacks, Ray :-(
R.
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03/14/2009 11:30:31 AM · #45 |
i changed out the betta fish tank fully - complete water swap with my well water after treating it with chlorine, and then neutralizing the cholrine. i have a pretty accurate test kit for chlorine and pH. so i checked the water a number of times before using it.
i also topped off my plant tank ( the one that originally had the white stones turn orange ). i'd say i added about 4 gallons to a ten gallon tank. the white stones are still white - plants are alive.
it's been a couple days and the betta fish seems fine - the plants are still alive.
i'm going to make up a another 20 gallons this weekend - and if all is still well ( hehe ) by midweek i'll do the overdo cleanings on the other tanks...
Message edited by author 2009-03-14 11:32:13.
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03/14/2009 11:34:42 AM · #46 |
BTW - thanks for all the input everyone !!!
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03/14/2009 11:46:07 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by soup:
BTW - thanks for all the input everyone !!! |
Hope things keep going well. Looks like you figured out how to clean your soupy water! |
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03/14/2009 12:16:08 PM · #48 |
hehe - yeah - i think so !
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