DPCO IV-Alternate Scoring -- THIS WEEK OFF

03/04/2009 11:02:18 PM · #51

Originally posted by basssman7:

So,just to summarize...

Hawkeye is NOT counting the Gem challenge but the regular DPCO scoring will? Even though this is supposed to be the "alternate" scoring of the tournament, it is simply going to ignore one week of results? OK...sure.

The reason for that is because the participants cannot chose from two different challenges this week? Because they can only enter one challenge where they can enter any photo they have ever taken, which is limiting their choices? Ok...sure.

And finally, it is because the "experienced" photographers will have an unfair advantage because they could pick one of many more photos from way back when before they were any good and use one of those in this challenge? Even though this alternative scoring is based on being vs your most recent 10 week average...which negates any advantage for experienced photographers over newbies? (and in my case personally if handicaps me even more because I had a fluky good run coming into this challenge so my avg for this scoring is like 6.2 even though my real DPC avg is only 5.8) Ok...sure.

Makes total sense....(yes, that is sarcasm dripping off the words....)

Just to summarize, this is completely wrong.

I stated the reasons and they are completely valid. The challenge is for the exclusive challenges each week. The site has no exclusive challenge this week, so we're skipping. No biggie.

03/04/2009 11:04:36 PM · #52

Originally posted by basssman7:

Originally posted by keegbow:

You are all getting your knickers in knots over nothing!!! Either enter the challenge and support Langdon in trying to have this a record breaking challenge or you can get caught up in your own little side challenge competition with all its controversy.

Does it really matter who scores what and how they score it? isn't this side challenge about participation and having fun? â�¦ like I said earlier, competition can bring out the worst in people.

So then let the side challenge run it's natural course of 8 consecutive weeks by including this challenge, participate in the momentous occasion of the 1000th challenge and get on with life. Why get all upset and throw a hissy fit and say "this one shouldn't count because of....."?

I am sick and tired of Hawkeye trying to run DPC the way his particular views and values lead him to believe. The bottom line is that if you just allow people like that to run all over you and just ignore it, they only get bolder and more overbearing. That is the reason I am standing up and making my voice heard.

Excuse me? "Hawkeye trying to run DPC the way his particular views and values lead him to believe"??? What on earth are you talking about here?

The natural course of the challenge is 8 consecutive weeks of exclusive challenges. No exclusive challenge this week, this week doesn't count. Pretty clear. Quit making things up and attributing them to me.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

03/04/2009 11:05:17 PM · #53

Originally posted by JulietNN:

Hawk, with all due respect it is a ridicules idea to ignore it.

YOU decided to run this side alternative to the DPCO, so you should RUN it like it is supposed to be.

This week counts towards our scores in the DPCO , so should yours.

It is the logical thing to do, or just pull it and don't do it. It is a simple choice.

Heavy, heavy, heavy sigh.

basssman7

Nikon D500

03/04/2009 11:05:20 PM · #54

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by basssman7:
So,just to summarize...

Hawkeye is NOT counting the Gem challenge but the regular DPCO scoring will? Even though this is supposed to be the "alternate" scoring of the tournament, it is simply going to ignore one week of results? OK...sure.

The reason for that is because the participants cannot chose from two different challenges this week? Because they can only enter one challenge where they can enter any photo they have ever taken, which is limiting their choices? Ok...sure.

And finally, it is because the "experienced" photographers will have an unfair advantage because they could pick one of many more photos from way back when before they were any good and use one of those in this challenge? Even though this alternative scoring is based on being vs your most recent 10 week average...which negates any advantage for experienced photographers over newbies? (and in my case personally if handicaps me even more because I had a fluky good run coming into this challenge so my avg for this scoring is like 6.2 even though my real DPC avg is only 5.8) Ok...sure.

Makes total sense....(yes, that is sarcasm dripping off the words....)

Just to summarize, this is completely wrong.

I stated the reasons and they are completely valid. The challenge is for the exclusive challenges each week. The site has no exclusive challenge this week, so we're skipping. No biggie.

How can a challenge be more "open" then this one. An open challenge by DPC standards is one that both members and registered users can enter. This is one of them. :)

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

03/04/2009 11:06:36 PM · #55

Originally posted by basssman7:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by basssman7:
So,just to summarize...

Hawkeye is NOT counting the Gem challenge but the regular DPCO scoring will? Even though this is supposed to be the "alternate" scoring of the tournament, it is simply going to ignore one week of results? OK...sure.

The reason for that is because the participants cannot chose from two different challenges this week? Because they can only enter one challenge where they can enter any photo they have ever taken, which is limiting their choices? Ok...sure.

And finally, it is because the "experienced" photographers will have an unfair advantage because they could pick one of many more photos from way back when before they were any good and use one of those in this challenge? Even though this alternative scoring is based on being vs your most recent 10 week average...which negates any advantage for experienced photographers over newbies? (and in my case personally if handicaps me even more because I had a fluky good run coming into this challenge so my avg for this scoring is like 6.2 even though my real DPC avg is only 5.8) Ok...sure.

Makes total sense....(yes, that is sarcasm dripping off the words....)

Just to summarize, this is completely wrong.

I stated the reasons and they are completely valid. The challenge is for the exclusive challenges each week. The site has no exclusive challenge this week, so we're skipping. No biggie.

How can a challenge be more "open" then this one. An open challenge by DPC standards is one that both members and registered users can enter. This is one of them. :)

Who said "open"

I said "The challenge is for the exclusive challenges each week."

JulietNN

Canon EOS R7

03/04/2009 11:11:45 PM · #56

You know what Hawk

Just quit

YOu started this 'alternative' score BASED on the scores of the DPCO

This weeks "Gem" counts towards the scoring of the DPCO, So YOUR alternative scoring should count too.

YOu suddenly want to change it.

Then why the heck would you do a score alternative which is complimentary to DPCO if you are not going to abide by the rules. It is an OPEN EXCLUSIVE challenge for ALL to enter. What exactly are you NOT understanding here.

It is pathetic and childish, I am done with you and your little pathetic games.

03/04/2009 11:13:36 PM · #57

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Who said "open"

I said "The challenge is for the exclusive challenges each week."

Exclusive means complete or undivided. so just because Langdon hasn't put the word EXCLUSIVE next to the challenge title, doesn't mean this challenge isn't exclusive...according to the definition of exclusive....this challenge is even more exclusive than your standard mid week challenges.....!

03/04/2009 11:15:06 PM · #58

Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Who said "open"

I said "The challenge is for the exclusive challenges each week."

Exclusive means complete or undivided. so just because Langdon hasn't put the word EXCLUSIVE next to the challenge title, doesn't mean this challenge isn't exclusive...according to the definition of exclusive....this challenge is even more exclusive than your standard mid week challenges.....!

According to the site, exclusive means there are two challenges offered and you must choose to enter one exclusive of the other. There is only one challenge, so no choice, therefore it's an exception to the rules.

03/04/2009 11:16:49 PM · #59

Originally posted by JulietNN:

Cool. Here's the deal. The week does not count, for all the valid reasons stated.

I will continue to do my part because I refuse to quit in spite of all the tantrums being thrown.

You can choose to ignore the threads and the results.

I'll be like Art Gunfunkel or Andrew Ridgely and play my heart out to a completely empty concert hall if I have to.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

03/04/2009 11:20:35 PM · #60

HawkeyeLonewolf Please don't be an asshat!

basssman7

Nikon D500

03/04/2009 11:24:48 PM · #61

It is sad,really.

the idea of doing the alternative scoring based on beating your average was a very good one. Hawkeye and I both pleaded for it. He took the bull by the horns and started the alternative scoring and I applaud the effort it takes to do that, and the initiative of actually following through with it.

However the problem occurs when Hawkeye decides to try and force others to conform to his idea of right and wrong. He does not like nudes, so he will vote them all a 1 and try to get them banned forever from DPC (nudes that is). Now he does not like the idea of the most inviting, all encompassing, everyone is allowed in type challenge so he wants to make the DPCOA conform to that as well.

From Kevin's own site for scoring the DPCOA: How the alternate scoring differs from the official scoring

The DPC (dpchallenge.com) Olympics III has two methods of scoring. The official method, run by user dirt_diver, can be found at //www.treasureshackonline.com/dpc.php.

While that method uses a weekly ranking to points method, this is the alternate method of scoring the same challenges with the same teams. This method takes the difference between each player's starting average and their weekly challenge score. The top five (of the eight) players on each team in terms of score change (ranked positive to negative) will count to the team's score for the week. If less than five players enter for a team, a difference penalty of -2.0000 is applied up to the fifth player (i.e. four players submit, then a single -2.0000 score is applied for the 5th player).

Instead of winners each week, the score is accumulated over the course of the season. Check back here for updated weekly and season scores.

I don't see the part where it says "Kevin gets to decide which challenges are worthy of being included in the dpcoa".

You know what would be the ultimate karma? A Nudes challenge as an open challenge during the DPCO! That would be the best ever!

basssman7

Nikon D500

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

03/04/2009 11:27:18 PM · #62

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Who said "open"

I said "The challenge is for the exclusive challenges each week."

Exclusive means complete or undivided. so just because Langdon hasn't put the word EXCLUSIVE next to the challenge title, doesn't mean this challenge isn't exclusive...according to the definition of exclusive....this challenge is even more exclusive than your standard mid week challenges.....!

According to the site, exclusive means there are two challenges offered and you must choose to enter one exclusive of the other. There is only one challenge, so no choice, therefore it's an exception to the rules.

How can you complain there is no choice when it is a FS? lmao!

soup

Canon EOS-30D

03/04/2009 11:31:02 PM · #63

the typical weekly 'open' challenges are generally 'mutually exclusive'. meaning that you can only enter one or the other, but not both.

do as you like with however you tabulate your scores. it seems kinda obvious your methodology has lost some credibility.

Message edited by author 2009-03-04 23:32:09.

soup

Canon EOS-30D

03/04/2009 11:34:40 PM · #64

let us all prey.....

03/04/2009 11:35:24 PM · #65

Originally posted by soup:

let us all prey.....

I think he already considers us as his prey!!!!!!!

soup

Canon EOS-30D

03/04/2009 11:36:26 PM · #66

HawkeyeLonewolf

i was spoofing his profile pic.

not to say his efforts are a waste. but it seems his aim is to make them so. he's preying on himself... for the sake of arguement.

Message edited by author 2009-03-04 23:38:38.

03/04/2009 11:51:04 PM · #67

Originally posted by basssman7:

However the problem occurs when Hawkeye decides to try and force others to conform to his idea of right and wrong. He does not like nudes, so he will vote them all a 1 and try to get them banned forever from DPC (nudes that is). Now he does not like the idea of the most inviting, all encompassing, everyone is allowed in type challenge so he wants to make the DPCOA conform to that as well.

Where have I ever tried to force anyone to conform to my idea of rigth and wrong? Nowhere.

Correct, I do not like nudes, but I have NEVER EVER called for them to be banned from DPC. Not once. I've simply asked for the filter that they offer to be properly utilized. Not a big deal, really.

If you read the thread that Langdon posted, I was the first to hurray the challenge - I love the idea of it. I just see it as an exception to the DPCO-IV-A. No big deal there either.

And the alternate scoring is not joined at the hip with the official DPCO -- last season Joe allowed substitute players and I didn't -- no one whined there.

But, I did this with Joe's blessing. If he wants me to stop because of this and asks, I will shut it down.

03/04/2009 11:53:31 PM · #68

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by basssman7:
However the problem occurs when Hawkeye decides to try and force others to conform to his idea of right and wrong. He does not like nudes, so he will vote them all a 1 and try to get them banned forever from DPC (nudes that is). Now he does not like the idea of the most inviting, all encompassing, everyone is allowed in type challenge so he wants to make the DPCOA conform to that as well.

Where have I ever tried to force anyone to conform to my idea of rigth and wrong? Nowhere.

Correct, I do not like nudes, but I have NEVER EVER called for them to be banned from DPC. Not once. I've simply asked for the filter that they offer to be properly utilized. Not a big deal, really.

If you read the thread that Langdon posted, I was the first to hurray the challenge - I love the idea of it. I just see it as an exception to the DPCO-IV-A. No big deal there either.

And the alternate scoring is not joined at the hip with the official DPCO -- last season Joe allowed substitute players and I didn't -- no one whined there.

But, I did this with Joe's blessing. If he wants me to stop because of this and asks, I will shut it down.

You did say that if squirrels came into your yard...you will hunt them down.....but these squirrels are in someone elses yard...that you are just visiting...and yet to still want to hunt them down. If that is not wanting to get rid of nudes...I don't know what is!!!